RAM Boosting programs --- are they worth it?

"Hari Hari Mau" wrote in message
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Thank you for your suggestion. I've looked up on the mem leakage and
Microsoft supposed to have a program called "Perfmon.exe" that
supposed to be able to help trace which program is leaking memory.

That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
just can't find it !

Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please?

Don't know why there is no "garbage collection" ability built in in
XP. If so, all the mem leakage problems would be a piece of cake, for
the OS itself can free those mem that are no longer being use. ....
but I digress ...



On Nov 29, 7:29 pm, "Randem" wrote:
You seem to have a memory leak and NO ram utility will clean up your apps
mess. It would have no idea that you don't really need the memory. You
have
to clean up your app with tracing and logging to find out where it leaks.
You may also be able to use a profiler to help.

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"Hari Hari Mau" wrote in
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On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" wrote:



Hari Hari Mau wrote:
Hi, all !

I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.

I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
and LOTS of memory.

Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
thing goes to paged RAM.

Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---

Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?

If so, which one do you recommend?

I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
anything !

Thank you all !

Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you just
relying on the fact that the page file is being used?
The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all your
physical ram is used up.

Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice
slow down".

The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it goes
smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to
hum.

I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering.

From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed"
mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing
grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD
light is on constantly.



You probably want to try Mark Russiinovich's Process Monitor.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb896645.aspx
There are other utilities on that site that may be usefull as well.

Best
Paul.


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Hari Hari Mau wrote:

That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
just can't find it !

Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please?

You can run Perfmon.msc, it's found in the System32 directory.
It's Icon is located in the Administrative Tools.
You might need Admin access.

And it's Perfmon.MSC not Perfmon.EXE
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On my machine (WinXP Prof) it's either one or the other.

PeeCee wrote:
"Hari Hari Mau" wrote in message
...
Thank you for your suggestion. I've looked up on the mem leakage and
Microsoft supposed to have a program called "Perfmon.exe" that
supposed to be able to help trace which program is leaking memory.

That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
just can't find it !

Try perfmon.msc instead of perfmon.exe

"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote in message
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Hari Hari Mau wrote:

That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
just can't find it !

Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please?

You can run Perfmon.msc, it's found in the System32 directory.
It's Icon is located in the Administrative Tools.
You might need Admin access.

And it's Perfmon.MSC not Perfmon.EXE
--

On my machine (WinXP Prof) it's either one or the other.

I have both (XP Home 3rd)

Does the rendering programme use an Undo feature like you see in photo
editing programmes? What is the name of the programme you are using?


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Hari Hari Mau wrote:
Thank you for your suggestion. I've looked up on the mem leakage and
Microsoft supposed to have a program called "Perfmon.exe" that
supposed to be able to help trace which program is leaking memory.

That Perfmon.exe program is supposed to be downloadable ... however I
just can't find it !

Can anyone point out where I can obtain such a program, please?

Don't know why there is no "garbage collection" ability built in in
XP. If so, all the mem leakage problems would be a piece of cake, for
the OS itself can free those mem that are no longer being use. ....
but I digress ...



On Nov 29, 7:29 pm, "Randem" wrote:
You seem to have a memory leak and NO ram utility will clean up your
apps
mess. It would have no idea that you don't really need the memory.
You have
to clean up your app with tracing and logging to find out where it
leaks.
You may also be able to use a profiler to help.

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"Hari Hari Mau" wrote in
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On Nov 29, 6:55 pm, "Buffalo" wrote:



Hari Hari Mau wrote:
Hi, all !

I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.

I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and
lots and LOTS of memory.

Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
thing goes to paged RAM.

Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade
the RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs
to manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---

Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?

If so, which one do you recommend?

I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
anything !

Thank you all !

Do you notice a slow down when it uses the page file, or are you
just relying on the fact that the page file is being used?
The page file will be used many times and it doesn't mean that all
your physical ram is used up.

Hmm.... since it's a quad-core machine, it's kinda hard to "notice
slow down".

The thing, as right now is ... when I start the rendering job, it
goes
smoothly, and after like 20 minutes or so, all 4 of my HD starts to
hum.

I've tested running the Task Manager, before I start rendering.

From beginning --- everything runs on the RAM. Then the "committed"
mem increases, until it flows over into the page, and the page thing
grows and grow. That's the time I start to hear my HD hum, and the HD
light is on constantly.

those programs are
designed for machines
with low resources.



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"Hari Hari Mau" wrote in message ...
Hi, all !

I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.

I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
and LOTS of memory.

Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
thing goes to paged RAM.

Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---

Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?

If so, which one do you recommend?

I welcome any of your suggestion, comment, opinion, criticism ....
anything !

Thank you all !

No, those programs are utterly useless on any machine!

John

db.·.. ))) ·` .. . wrote:

those programs are
designed for machines
with low resources.

db.·.. ))) ·` .. . wrote:
those programs are
designed for machines
with low resources.





No, those programs are designed for gullible, technically ignorant
people. Like registry cleaners, they're pure snake oil.


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not really.

they serve and fulfill
two specific purposes.

one, they are utilities and
tools towards a more efficient
use of resources, and

two, they are utilities that
incite the ineffective use of
resources of whining geeks.
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"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ...
db.·.. ))) ·` .. . wrote:
those programs are
designed for machines
with low resources.





No, those programs are designed for gullible, technically ignorant people. Like registry cleaners, they're pure snake oil.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
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http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

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Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:03:48 -0800 (PST), Hari Hari Mau
wrote:

Hi, all !

I have a quad-core machine, with 16GB of RAM.

I use it for very heavy duty rendering jobs, requiring lots and lots
and LOTS of memory.

Even with the 16 GB of memory and XP 64-bits, there are times the
thing goes to paged RAM.

Currently I have 2 choices --- either change the mobo and upgrade the
RAM to 32 GB, or getting one of those "RAM Boosting" programs to
manage the RAM usage. Thus, my question ---

Do those "RAM Boosting" programs work?


No.



Windows will page no matter how much RAM you have. Are you talking
about a specific program?

Important corrections made to this posting

db.·.. ))) ·` .. . wrote:

not really.

they serve and fulfill
two unspecific purposes.

one, they are utilities and
tools towards wasting the computers
use of resources, and

two, they are utilities that do nothing
useful to the end user

you're whining.

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- Database Developer
- Accountancy
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"Bob I" wrote in message ...
Important corrections made to this posting

db.·.. ))) ·` .. . wrote:

not really.

they serve and fulfill
two unspecific purposes.

one, they are utilities and
tools towards wasting the computers
use of resources, and

two, they are utilities that do nothing
useful to the end user

db.·.. ))) ·` .. . wrote:
those programs are
designed for machines
with low resources.





No, those programs are designed for gullible, technically ignorant
people. Like registry cleaners, they're pure snake oil.

So sayeth the tiniest, most closed minded candidate on the 'net. There
IS one place this "snake oil" analogy (stolen from a M. R. article)
works and that's to describe Brucey's plethora of misinformation and
misleading posts. There is only one way to think; his way. Whether he
knows what he's talking about or not.

Important corrections made to this posting

db.·.. ))) ·` .. . wrote:

not really.

they serve and fulfill
two unspecific purposes.

one, they are utilities and
tools towards wasting the computers
use of resources, and

two, they are utilities that do nothing
useful to the end user

Another puppet/parrot heard from. Too much trouble to think for itself.

Have you tried removing the pagefile from the extra drives and shrinking the
one on system to see if any noticeable performance hit occurs?
Is your machine set to use more page then RAM?
How many Background services are running and do you need them all on?
What applications are you using?
I suggest you go and get memtest to check if all your RAM works.