System Restore

Jose

Now you know more than me G You may be able to change the time from
8.30. Have a look in Task Scheduler.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 12:33 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose

http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 7:54 am, Jim wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:30:01 -0800, betty

wrote:
I am running Windows XP and need to do a system restore to
12-26-2008. However, in the wizard, the earliest date the calendar
will allow me to select is 1-2-2009. Any ideas?

Not going to help now , but I use the ERUNT system which saves up
to 1 months restore settings , 1 for each day . ( You can choose
whichever day you require ) .

All fine advice, but it prompts for me a question looking at my own
system...

I know I can manually create a restore point. Windows will also do
it for me when I do updates, etc. Some days I can see several
restore points depending on what I did that day.

Sometimes, I see several days in a row where I know my computer was
on, but there are no restore points for those days.

Somehow I thought Windows would do this for me automatically for
some reason at some time, and at least once a day or something,
even if I did not know about it. Could be wrong... There is no
restore point for today yet, but there are single System
Checkpoints for other days at various times. I didn't do it
manually.

Does the absence of restore points for days at a time mean that I
did not significantly change my configuration on those days?
(notice I did not say I didn't do any work). What prompts Windows
to create a System Checkpoint by itself, when does it decide to do
it, etc.

Just curious.

Oh, wow. I checked the Windows XP SP3 configuration I am running and
it is set to automatically create a RP at 8:30AM every day. No errors
or problems reported in the Event Viewer. Everybody seems very happy.

I looked at the timestamp on some of the older RPs that were created
automajically on earlier days. Some were around 8:30AM, some at other
odd times, some due to installs/uninstalls, some days - none at all.

Not to be redundant with my post, but I really must know everything.
Poking around where you pointed (thanks) I read this as one reason SR
might not run:

Insufficent Idle time

* Automatic restore points are only created during idle time; for
example, when there is no mouse, keyboard, or disk i/o activity.

1. If the system is in use the entire time it is turned on, then
turned off, an automatic restore point will NOT be created.
2. Some screen savers my cause little or no idle time, so temporally
disable all screen savers while troubleshooting.

Wellll... I doubt my system is going to be idle at 8:30AM, it might
not even be turned on. Sometimes I will get done for the day, run
some long arse scanning programs for a couple hours (ugh) and just go
away and shutdown later. This would not be considered idle time I
don't think. Things are happenin'!

So that could be it, but I can't explain the odd times in the
afternoon that SR ran with no other information in the SR details
except it was a checkpoint. It is way past time for it to run, but I
might have been really idle for a while, so does SR just decide that a
checkpoint might be overdue and lurk around waiting until it decides
now looks like a good time to run (whenever now happens to be) ? How
long is "idle time"? Not long for me apparently.

Still no one today, but I will go play some Frisbee for a while and
see what happens...

On Jan 7, 6:27*pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose

Now you know more than me G You may be able to change the time from
8.30. Have a look in Task Scheduler.

--

Hope *this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 12:33 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose

http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 7:54 am, Jim wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:30:01 -0800, betty

wrote:
I am running Windows XP and need to do a system restore to
12-26-2008. However, in the wizard, the earliest date the calendar
will allow me to select is 1-2-2009. Any ideas?

Not going to help now , but I use the ERUNT system which saves up
to 1 months restore settings , 1 for each day . ( You can choose
whichever day you require ) .

All fine advice, but it prompts for me a question looking at my own
system...

I know I can manually create a restore point. Windows will also do
it for me when I do updates, etc. Some days I can see several
restore points depending on what I did that day.

Sometimes, I see several days in a row where I know my computer was
on, but there are no restore points for those days.

Somehow I thought Windows would do this for me automatically for
some reason at some time, and at least once a day or something,
even if I did not know about it. Could be wrong... There is no
restore point for today yet, but there are single System
Checkpoints for other days at various times. I didn't do it
manually.

Does the absence of restore points for days at a time mean that I
did not significantly change my configuration on those days?
(notice I did not say I didn't do any work). What prompts Windows
to create a System Checkpoint by itself, when does it decide to do
it, etc.

Just curious.

Oh, wow. *I checked the Windows XP SP3 configuration I am running and
it is set to automatically create a RP at 8:30AM every day. *No errors
or problems reported in the Event Viewer. *Everybody seems very happy..

I looked at the timestamp on some of the older RPs that were created
automajically on earlier days. *Some were around 8:30AM, some at other
odd times, some due to installs/uninstalls, some days - none at all.

Not to be redundant with my post, but I really must know everything.
Poking around where you pointed (thanks) I read this as one reason SR
might not run:

Insufficent Idle time

* Automatic restore points are only created during idle time; for
example, when there is no mouse, keyboard, or disk i/o activity.

1. If the system is in use the entire time it is turned on, then
turned off, an automatic restore point will NOT be created.
2. Some screen savers my cause little or no idle time, so temporally
disable all screen savers while troubleshooting.

Wellll... *I doubt my system is going to be idle at 8:30AM, it might
not even be turned on. *Sometimes I will get done for the day, run
some long arse scanning programs for a couple hours (ugh) and just go
away and shutdown later. *This would not be considered idle time I
don't think. *Things are happenin'!

So that could be it, but I can't explain the odd times in the
afternoon that SR ran with no other information in the SR details
except it was a checkpoint. *It is way past time for it to run, but I
might have been really idle for a while, so does SR just decide that a
checkpoint might be overdue and lurk around waiting until it decides
now looks like a good time to run (whenever now happens to be) ? *How
long is "idle time"? *Not long for me apparently.

Still no one today, but I will go play some Frisbee for a while and
see what happens...

Well, I doubt that, sir! Yeah - its all there if you patiently
look... It helped me to still read some of the other discussions and
rules, like if I manually create a CP at 10AM and one is supposed to
fire off automatically at 12PM (2 hours later) will that second one
still happen? Hmmm?

Let's have a quiz in 2 weeks

Why do you have such a fixation on System Restore? It's nothing more
than a troubleshooting step.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:27 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose

Now you know more than me G You may be able to change the time from
8.30. Have a look in Task Scheduler.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 12:33 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 7:54 am, Jim wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:30:01 -0800, betty
wrote:
I am running Windows XP and need to do a system restore to
12-26-2008. However, in the wizard, the earliest date the calendar
will allow me to select is 1-2-2009. Any ideas?
Not going to help now , but I use the ERUNT system which saves up
to 1 months restore settings , 1 for each day . ( You can choose
whichever day you require ) .
All fine advice, but it prompts for me a question looking at my own
system...
I know I can manually create a restore point. Windows will also do
it for me when I do updates, etc. Some days I can see several
restore points depending on what I did that day.
Sometimes, I see several days in a row where I know my computer was
on, but there are no restore points for those days.
Somehow I thought Windows would do this for me automatically for
some reason at some time, and at least once a day or something,
even if I did not know about it. Could be wrong... There is no
restore point for today yet, but there are single System
Checkpoints for other days at various times. I didn't do it
manually.
Does the absence of restore points for days at a time mean that I
did not significantly change my configuration on those days?
(notice I did not say I didn't do any work). What prompts Windows
to create a System Checkpoint by itself, when does it decide to do
it, etc.
Just curious.
Oh, wow. I checked the Windows XP SP3 configuration I am running and
it is set to automatically create a RP at 8:30AM every day. No errors
or problems reported in the Event Viewer. Everybody seems very happy.
I looked at the timestamp on some of the older RPs that were created
automajically on earlier days. Some were around 8:30AM, some at other
odd times, some due to installs/uninstalls, some days - none at all.
Not to be redundant with my post, but I really must know everything.
Poking around where you pointed (thanks) I read this as one reason SR
might not run:
Insufficent Idle time
* Automatic restore points are only created during idle time; for
example, when there is no mouse, keyboard, or disk i/o activity.
1. If the system is in use the entire time it is turned on, then
turned off, an automatic restore point will NOT be created.
2. Some screen savers my cause little or no idle time, so temporally
disable all screen savers while troubleshooting.
Wellll... I doubt my system is going to be idle at 8:30AM, it might
not even be turned on. Sometimes I will get done for the day, run
some long arse scanning programs for a couple hours (ugh) and just go
away and shutdown later. This would not be considered idle time I
don't think. Things are happenin'!
So that could be it, but I can't explain the odd times in the
afternoon that SR ran with no other information in the SR details
except it was a checkpoint. It is way past time for it to run, but I
might have been really idle for a while, so does SR just decide that a
checkpoint might be overdue and lurk around waiting until it decides
now looks like a good time to run (whenever now happens to be) ? How
long is "idle time"? Not long for me apparently.
Still no one today, but I will go play some Frisbee for a while and
see what happens...

Well, I doubt that, sir! Yeah - its all there if you patiently
look... It helped me to still read some of the other discussions and
rules, like if I manually create a CP at 10AM and one is supposed to
fire off automatically at 12PM (2 hours later) will that second one
still happen? Hmmm?

Let's have a quiz in 2 weeks

It's a whole lot more than a 'trouble shooting' step.
"Leonard Grey" wrote in message
...
Why do you have such a fixation on System Restore? It's nothing more than
a troubleshooting step.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:27 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose

Now you know more than me G You may be able to change the time from
8.30. Have a look in Task Scheduler.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 12:33 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 7:54 am, Jim wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:30:01 -0800, betty
wrote:
I am running Windows XP and need to do a system restore to
12-26-2008. However, in the wizard, the earliest date the calendar
will allow me to select is 1-2-2009. Any ideas?
Not going to help now , but I use the ERUNT system which saves up
to 1 months restore settings , 1 for each day . ( You can choose
whichever day you require ) .
All fine advice, but it prompts for me a question looking at my own
system...
I know I can manually create a restore point. Windows will also do
it for me when I do updates, etc. Some days I can see several
restore points depending on what I did that day.
Sometimes, I see several days in a row where I know my computer was
on, but there are no restore points for those days.
Somehow I thought Windows would do this for me automatically for
some reason at some time, and at least once a day or something,
even if I did not know about it. Could be wrong... There is no
restore point for today yet, but there are single System
Checkpoints for other days at various times. I didn't do it
manually.
Does the absence of restore points for days at a time mean that I
did not significantly change my configuration on those days?
(notice I did not say I didn't do any work). What prompts Windows
to create a System Checkpoint by itself, when does it decide to do
it, etc.
Just curious.
Oh, wow. I checked the Windows XP SP3 configuration I am running and
it is set to automatically create a RP at 8:30AM every day. No errors
or problems reported in the Event Viewer. Everybody seems very happy.
I looked at the timestamp on some of the older RPs that were created
automajically on earlier days. Some were around 8:30AM, some at other
odd times, some due to installs/uninstalls, some days - none at all.
Not to be redundant with my post, but I really must know everything.
Poking around where you pointed (thanks) I read this as one reason SR
might not run:
Insufficent Idle time
* Automatic restore points are only created during idle time; for
example, when there is no mouse, keyboard, or disk i/o activity.
1. If the system is in use the entire time it is turned on, then
turned off, an automatic restore point will NOT be created.
2. Some screen savers my cause little or no idle time, so temporally
disable all screen savers while troubleshooting.
Wellll... I doubt my system is going to be idle at 8:30AM, it might
not even be turned on. Sometimes I will get done for the day, run
some long arse scanning programs for a couple hours (ugh) and just go
away and shutdown later. This would not be considered idle time I
don't think. Things are happenin'!
So that could be it, but I can't explain the odd times in the
afternoon that SR ran with no other information in the SR details
except it was a checkpoint. It is way past time for it to run, but I
might have been really idle for a while, so does SR just decide that a
checkpoint might be overdue and lurk around waiting until it decides
now looks like a good time to run (whenever now happens to be) ? How
long is "idle time"? Not long for me apparently.
Still no one today, but I will go play some Frisbee for a while and
see what happens...

Well, I doubt that, sir! Yeah - its all there if you patiently
look... It helped me to still read some of the other discussions and
rules, like if I manually create a CP at 10AM and one is supposed to
fire off automatically at 12PM (2 hours later) will that second one
still happen? Hmmm?

Let's have a quiz in 2 weeks

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:36:58 -0500, Leonard Grey
wrote:

Why do you have such a fixation on System Restore? It's nothing more
than a troubleshooting step.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

I now have a better understanding of the reason for your sig.

He does that quite often doesn't he.
"Joe Buck" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:36:58 -0500, Leonard Grey
wrote:

Why do you have such a fixation on System Restore? It's nothing more
than a troubleshooting step.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

I now have a better understanding of the reason for your sig.

It can be a lifesaver in some cases, Leonard. Although admitedly not as
good as falling back to an image or clone backup. It's not just s
troubleshooting step.

Leonard Grey wrote:
Why do you have such a fixation on System Restore? It's nothing more
than a troubleshooting step.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:27 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose

Now you know more than me G You may be able to change the time from
8.30. Have a look in Task Scheduler.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 12:33 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 7:54 am, Jim wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:30:01 -0800, betty
wrote:
I am running Windows XP and need to do a system restore to
12-26-2008. However, in the wizard, the earliest date the calendar
will allow me to select is 1-2-2009. Any ideas?
Not going to help now , but I use the ERUNT system which saves up
to 1 months restore settings , 1 for each day . ( You can choose
whichever day you require ) .
All fine advice, but it prompts for me a question looking at my own
system...
I know I can manually create a restore point. Windows will also do
it for me when I do updates, etc. Some days I can see several
restore points depending on what I did that day.
Sometimes, I see several days in a row where I know my computer was
on, but there are no restore points for those days.
Somehow I thought Windows would do this for me automatically for
some reason at some time, and at least once a day or something,
even if I did not know about it. Could be wrong... There is no
restore point for today yet, but there are single System
Checkpoints for other days at various times. I didn't do it
manually.
Does the absence of restore points for days at a time mean that I
did not significantly change my configuration on those days?
(notice I did not say I didn't do any work). What prompts Windows
to create a System Checkpoint by itself, when does it decide to do
it, etc.
Just curious.
Oh, wow. I checked the Windows XP SP3 configuration I am running and
it is set to automatically create a RP at 8:30AM every day. No errors
or problems reported in the Event Viewer. Everybody seems very happy.
I looked at the timestamp on some of the older RPs that were created
automajically on earlier days. Some were around 8:30AM, some at other
odd times, some due to installs/uninstalls, some days - none at all.
Not to be redundant with my post, but I really must know everything.
Poking around where you pointed (thanks) I read this as one reason SR
might not run:
Insufficent Idle time
* Automatic restore points are only created during idle time; for
example, when there is no mouse, keyboard, or disk i/o activity.
1. If the system is in use the entire time it is turned on, then
turned off, an automatic restore point will NOT be created.
2. Some screen savers my cause little or no idle time, so temporally
disable all screen savers while troubleshooting.
Wellll... I doubt my system is going to be idle at 8:30AM, it might
not even be turned on. Sometimes I will get done for the day, run
some long arse scanning programs for a couple hours (ugh) and just go
away and shutdown later. This would not be considered idle time I
don't think. Things are happenin'!
So that could be it, but I can't explain the odd times in the
afternoon that SR ran with no other information in the SR details
except it was a checkpoint. It is way past time for it to run, but I
might have been really idle for a while, so does SR just decide that a
checkpoint might be overdue and lurk around waiting until it decides
now looks like a good time to run (whenever now happens to be) ? How
long is "idle time"? Not long for me apparently.
Still no one today, but I will go play some Frisbee for a while and
see what happens...

Well, I doubt that, sir! Yeah - its all there if you patiently
look... It helped me to still read some of the other discussions and
rules, like if I manually create a CP at 10AM and one is supposed to
fire off automatically at 12PM (2 hours later) will that second one
still happen? Hmmm?

Let's have a quiz in 2 weeks

The purpose of System Restore is to (hopefully) allow you to regain
access to the Windows GUI and use Windows' built-in tools, like Add or
Remove Programs or driver rollbacks, or your third-party tools, like
anti-malware software.

Otherwise, you would have to work from the command line (with the
Recovery console, for example) or with boot CDs supplied with your third
party software. This is beyond the technical experience of most people.

The problem is that 'System Restore' sounds too much like a magic button
you press to bail out of trouble, and IMO Microsoft has not done a real
good job of explaining it.

Moreover, and as with many of Windows' utilities (like Microsoft Backup,
Compressed Files, CD Burning, etc.), System Restore provides an
essential level of functionality for users who otherwise would have no
solution on their own. Once you know about disk imaging, System restore
becomes much less important.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Bill in Co. wrote:
It can be a lifesaver in some cases, Leonard. Although admitedly not as
good as falling back to an image or clone backup. It's not just s
troubleshooting step.

Leonard Grey wrote:
Why do you have such a fixation on System Restore? It's nothing more
than a troubleshooting step.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:27 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose

Now you know more than me G You may be able to change the time from
8.30. Have a look in Task Scheduler.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 12:33 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 7:54 am, Jim wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:30:01 -0800, betty
wrote:
I am running Windows XP and need to do a system restore to
12-26-2008. However, in the wizard, the earliest date the calendar
will allow me to select is 1-2-2009. Any ideas?
Not going to help now , but I use the ERUNT system which saves up
to 1 months restore settings , 1 for each day . ( You can choose
whichever day you require ) .
All fine advice, but it prompts for me a question looking at my own
system...
I know I can manually create a restore point. Windows will also do
it for me when I do updates, etc. Some days I can see several
restore points depending on what I did that day.
Sometimes, I see several days in a row where I know my computer was
on, but there are no restore points for those days.
Somehow I thought Windows would do this for me automatically for
some reason at some time, and at least once a day or something,
even if I did not know about it. Could be wrong... There is no
restore point for today yet, but there are single System
Checkpoints for other days at various times. I didn't do it
manually.
Does the absence of restore points for days at a time mean that I
did not significantly change my configuration on those days?
(notice I did not say I didn't do any work). What prompts Windows
to create a System Checkpoint by itself, when does it decide to do
it, etc.
Just curious.
Oh, wow. I checked the Windows XP SP3 configuration I am running and
it is set to automatically create a RP at 8:30AM every day. No errors
or problems reported in the Event Viewer. Everybody seems very happy.
I looked at the timestamp on some of the older RPs that were created
automajically on earlier days. Some were around 8:30AM, some at other
odd times, some due to installs/uninstalls, some days - none at all.
Not to be redundant with my post, but I really must know everything.
Poking around where you pointed (thanks) I read this as one reason SR
might not run:
Insufficent Idle time
* Automatic restore points are only created during idle time; for
example, when there is no mouse, keyboard, or disk i/o activity.
1. If the system is in use the entire time it is turned on, then
turned off, an automatic restore point will NOT be created.
2. Some screen savers my cause little or no idle time, so temporally
disable all screen savers while troubleshooting.
Wellll... I doubt my system is going to be idle at 8:30AM, it might
not even be turned on. Sometimes I will get done for the day, run
some long arse scanning programs for a couple hours (ugh) and just go
away and shutdown later. This would not be considered idle time I
don't think. Things are happenin'!
So that could be it, but I can't explain the odd times in the
afternoon that SR ran with no other information in the SR details
except it was a checkpoint. It is way past time for it to run, but I
might have been really idle for a while, so does SR just decide that a
checkpoint might be overdue and lurk around waiting until it decides
now looks like a good time to run (whenever now happens to be) ? How
long is "idle time"? Not long for me apparently.
Still no one today, but I will go play some Frisbee for a while and
see what happens...
Well, I doubt that, sir! Yeah - its all there if you patiently
look... It helped me to still read some of the other discussions and
rules, like if I manually create a CP at 10AM and one is supposed to
fire off automatically at 12PM (2 hours later) will that second one
still happen? Hmmm?

Let's have a quiz in 2 weeks

On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:11:10 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

It can be a lifesaver in some cases, Leonard. Although admitedly not as
good as falling back to an image or clone backup. It's not just s
troubleshooting step.

To say what he did and to believe it would demonstrate an IQ in the
area of 70-80.


Leonard Grey wrote:
Why do you have such a fixation on System Restore? It's nothing more
than a troubleshooting step.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

THAT HIGH??????????
"Joe Buck" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:11:10 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

It can be a lifesaver in some cases, Leonard. Although admitedly not as
good as falling back to an image or clone backup. It's not just s
troubleshooting step.

To say what he did and to believe it would demonstrate an IQ in the
area of 70-80.


Leonard Grey wrote:
Why do you have such a fixation on System Restore? It's nothing more
than a troubleshooting step.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

System restore is the first option, BEFORE disk imaging.
"Leonard Grey" wrote in message
...
The purpose of System Restore is to (hopefully) allow you to regain access
to the Windows GUI and use Windows' built-in tools, like Add or Remove
Programs or driver rollbacks, or your third-party tools, like anti-malware
software.

Otherwise, you would have to work from the command line (with the Recovery
console, for example) or with boot CDs supplied with your third party
software. This is beyond the technical experience of most people.

The problem is that 'System Restore' sounds too much like a magic button
you press to bail out of trouble, and IMO Microsoft has not done a real
good job of explaining it.

Moreover, and as with many of Windows' utilities (like Microsoft Backup,
Compressed Files, CD Burning, etc.), System Restore provides an essential
level of functionality for users who otherwise would have no solution on
their own. Once you know about disk imaging, System restore becomes much
less important.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Bill in Co. wrote:
It can be a lifesaver in some cases, Leonard. Although admitedly not as
good as falling back to an image or clone backup. It's not just s
troubleshooting step.

Leonard Grey wrote:
Why do you have such a fixation on System Restore? It's nothing more
than a troubleshooting step.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:27 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose

Now you know more than me G You may be able to change the time from
8.30. Have a look in Task Scheduler.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 12:33 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html
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Gerry
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Stourport, England
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 7:54 am, Jim wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:30:01 -0800, betty
wrote:
I am running Windows XP and need to do a system restore to
12-26-2008. However, in the wizard, the earliest date the
calendar
will allow me to select is 1-2-2009. Any ideas?
Not going to help now , but I use the ERUNT system which saves up
to 1 months restore settings , 1 for each day . ( You can choose
whichever day you require ) .
All fine advice, but it prompts for me a question looking at my own
system...
I know I can manually create a restore point. Windows will also do
it for me when I do updates, etc. Some days I can see several
restore points depending on what I did that day.
Sometimes, I see several days in a row where I know my computer was
on, but there are no restore points for those days.
Somehow I thought Windows would do this for me automatically for
some reason at some time, and at least once a day or something,
even if I did not know about it. Could be wrong... There is no
restore point for today yet, but there are single System
Checkpoints for other days at various times. I didn't do it
manually.
Does the absence of restore points for days at a time mean that I
did not significantly change my configuration on those days?
(notice I did not say I didn't do any work). What prompts Windows
to create a System Checkpoint by itself, when does it decide to do
it, etc.
Just curious.
Oh, wow. I checked the Windows XP SP3 configuration I am running and
it is set to automatically create a RP at 8:30AM every day. No
errors
or problems reported in the Event Viewer. Everybody seems very
happy.
I looked at the timestamp on some of the older RPs that were created
automajically on earlier days. Some were around 8:30AM, some at
other
odd times, some due to installs/uninstalls, some days - none at all.
Not to be redundant with my post, but I really must know everything.
Poking around where you pointed (thanks) I read this as one reason SR
might not run:
Insufficent Idle time
* Automatic restore points are only created during idle time; for
example, when there is no mouse, keyboard, or disk i/o activity.
1. If the system is in use the entire time it is turned on, then
turned off, an automatic restore point will NOT be created.
2. Some screen savers my cause little or no idle time, so temporally
disable all screen savers while troubleshooting.
Wellll... I doubt my system is going to be idle at 8:30AM, it might
not even be turned on. Sometimes I will get done for the day, run
some long arse scanning programs for a couple hours (ugh) and just go
away and shutdown later. This would not be considered idle time I
don't think. Things are happenin'!
So that could be it, but I can't explain the odd times in the
afternoon that SR ran with no other information in the SR details
except it was a checkpoint. It is way past time for it to run, but I
might have been really idle for a while, so does SR just decide that
a
checkpoint might be overdue and lurk around waiting until it decides
now looks like a good time to run (whenever now happens to be) ? How
long is "idle time"? Not long for me apparently.
Still no one today, but I will go play some Frisbee for a while and
see what happens...
Well, I doubt that, sir! Yeah - its all there if you patiently
look... It helped me to still read some of the other discussions and
rules, like if I manually create a CP at 10AM and one is supposed to
fire off automatically at 12PM (2 hours later) will that second one
still happen? Hmmm?

Let's have a quiz in 2 weeks

Leonard

Until Bert Kinney created his website the advice was poor. Bert's
website came years after System Restore was introduced in Windows ME.
Obvious bugs have never been fixed by Microsoft. Norton. Zone Alarm etc
have been written software without any consideration as to the way they
might work with System Restore. Nothwithstanding it can provide a
lifeline.

You are right about Disk Imaging. It avoids the problems caused by many
security programmes.

--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Leonard Grey wrote:
The purpose of System Restore is to (hopefully) allow you to regain
access to the Windows GUI and use Windows' built-in tools, like Add or
Remove Programs or driver rollbacks, or your third-party tools, like
anti-malware software.

Otherwise, you would have to work from the command line (with the
Recovery console, for example) or with boot CDs supplied with your
third party software. This is beyond the technical experience of most
people.
The problem is that 'System Restore' sounds too much like a magic
button you press to bail out of trouble, and IMO Microsoft has not
done a real good job of explaining it.

Moreover, and as with many of Windows' utilities (like Microsoft
Backup, Compressed Files, CD Burning, etc.), System Restore provides
an essential level of functionality for users who otherwise would
have no solution on their own. Once you know about disk imaging,
System restore becomes much less important.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Bill in Co. wrote:
It can be a lifesaver in some cases, Leonard. Although admitedly
not as good as falling back to an image or clone backup. It's not
just s troubleshooting step.

Leonard Grey wrote:
Why do you have such a fixation on System Restore? It's nothing more
than a troubleshooting step.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:27 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose

Now you know more than me G You may be able to change the time
from 8.30. Have a look in Task Scheduler.

--

Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 12:33 pm, "Gerry" wrote:
Jose
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/srauto.html
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jose wrote:
On Jan 7, 7:54 am, Jim wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:30:01 -0800, betty
wrote:
I am running Windows XP and need to do a system restore to
12-26-2008. However, in the wizard, the earliest date the
calendar will allow me to select is 1-2-2009. Any ideas?
Not going to help now , but I use the ERUNT system which
saves up to 1 months restore settings , 1 for each day . (
You can choose whichever day you require ) .
All fine advice, but it prompts for me a question looking at
my own system...
I know I can manually create a restore point. Windows will
also do it for me when I do updates, etc. Some days I can see
several restore points depending on what I did that day.
Sometimes, I see several days in a row where I know my
computer was on, but there are no restore points for those
days. Somehow I thought Windows would do this for me
automatically
for some reason at some time, and at least once a day or
something, even if I did not know about it. Could be wrong...
There is no restore point for today yet, but there are single
System Checkpoints for other days at various times. I didn't
do it manually.
Does the absence of restore points for days at a time mean
that I did not significantly change my configuration on those
days? (notice I did not say I didn't do any work). What
prompts Windows to create a System Checkpoint by itself, when
does it decide to do it, etc.
Just curious.
Oh, wow. I checked the Windows XP SP3 configuration I am
running and it is set to automatically create a RP at 8:30AM
every day. No errors or problems reported in the Event Viewer.
Everybody seems very happy. I looked at the timestamp on some of
the older RPs that were created automajically on earlier days.
Some were around 8:30AM, some at other odd times, some due to
installs/uninstalls, some days - none at all. Not to be
redundant with my post, but I really must know everything.
Poking around where you pointed (thanks) I read this as one
reason SR might not run: Insufficent Idle time
* Automatic restore points are only created during idle time; for
example, when there is no mouse, keyboard, or disk i/o activity.
1. If the system is in use the entire time it is turned on, then
turned off, an automatic restore point will NOT be created.
2. Some screen savers my cause little or no idle time, so
temporally disable all screen savers while troubleshooting.
Wellll... I doubt my system is going to be idle at 8:30AM, it
might not even be turned on. Sometimes I will get done for the
day, run some long arse scanning programs for a couple hours
(ugh) and just go away and shutdown later. This would not be
considered idle time I don't think. Things are happenin'!
So that could be it, but I can't explain the odd times in the
afternoon that SR ran with no other information in the SR details
except it was a checkpoint. It is way past time for it to run,
but I might have been really idle for a while, so does SR just
decide that a checkpoint might be overdue and lurk around
waiting until it decides now looks like a good time to run
(whenever now happens to be) ? How long is "idle time"? Not
long for me apparently. Still no one today, but I will go play
some Frisbee for a while
and see what happens...
Well, I doubt that, sir! Yeah - its all there if you patiently
look... It helped me to still read some of the other discussions
and rules, like if I manually create a CP at 10AM and one is
supposed to fire off automatically at 12PM (2 hours later) will
that second one still happen? Hmmm?

Let's have a quiz in 2 weeks

Hi Gerry:

I'm not hung up on the word 'lifeline'. That can mean anything. I've
often called the built-in Administrator account a lifeline.

If more people understood what System Restore is, and is not, we would
all be better off. If more people knew how to backup, we would be
enormously better off!
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Gerry wrote:
Leonard

Until Bert Kinney created his website the advice was poor. Bert's
website came years after System Restore was introduced in Windows ME.
Obvious bugs have never been fixed by Microsoft. Norton. Zone Alarm etc
have been written software without any consideration as to the way they
might work with System Restore. Nothwithstanding it can provide a
lifeline.

You are right about Disk Imaging. It avoids the problems caused by many
security programmes.

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:08:38 -0500, Leonard Grey
wrote:

Hi Gerry:

I'm not hung up on the word 'lifeline'. That can mean anything. I've
often called the built-in Administrator account a lifeline.

If more people understood what System Restore is, and is not, we would
all be better off. If more people knew how to backup, we would be
enormously better off!

At any given time, my most recent backup (I usually have a dozen to
choose from) is less than 24 hours old.

It's faster to use System Restore in cases where something has become
only slightly scrambled.

DDW
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Leonard

Agreed.

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Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Leonard Grey wrote:
Hi Gerry:

I'm not hung up on the word 'lifeline'. That can mean anything. I've
often called the built-in Administrator account a lifeline.

If more people understood what System Restore is, and is not, we would
all be better off. If more people knew how to backup, we would be
enormously better off!
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Gerry wrote:
Leonard

Until Bert Kinney created his website the advice was poor. Bert's
website came years after System Restore was introduced in Windows ME.
Obvious bugs have never been fixed by Microsoft. Norton. Zone Alarm
etc have been written software without any consideration as to the
way they might work with System Restore. Nothwithstanding it can
provide a lifeline.

You are right about Disk Imaging. It avoids the problems caused by
many security programmes.