Why are adblockers detectable?

Why are adblockers detectable? Surely an adblocker should still request the advert and download it, but just not display it. Then the server wouldn't be any the wiser.

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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:44:59 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

Why are adblockers detectable?

Because they request all of the page content except for the ads.

Surely an adblocker should still request the advert and download it, but just not display it. Then the server wouldn't be any the wiser.

Agreed. I've made that point myself in the recent past. I assume they
weren't initially designed that way because no one thought it would be a
problem. The game of cat and mouse, however, is starting to prove otherwise.

On 7/6/2016 9:23 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:44:59 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

Why are adblockers detectable?

Because they request all of the page content except for the ads.

Surely an adblocker should still request the advert and download it, but just not display it. Then the server wouldn't be any the wiser.

Agreed. I've made that point myself in the recent past. I assume they
weren't initially designed that way because no one thought it would be a
problem. The game of cat and mouse, however, is starting to prove otherwise.

problem with downloading is that it takes time and consumes your metered
data. Ad pictures and video can be WAY bigger than the text
you're trying to read.

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:23:50 +0100, Char Jackson wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:44:59 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

Why are adblockers detectable?

Because they request all of the page content except for the ads.

Surely an adblocker should still request the advert and download it, but just not display it. Then the server wouldn't be any the wiser.

Agreed. I've made that point myself in the recent past. I assume they
weren't initially designed that way because no one thought it would be a
problem.

I can see the point of their current design in the days of dialup - you're saving bandwidth by not downloading the ads. But I would have thought it obvious that not showing ads is going to be noticed.

The game of cat and mouse, however, is starting to prove otherwise.

I also use "tampermonkey" which is meant to prevent detection, but it doesn't.

Thankfully Youtube don't look out for adblockers, watching 30 seconds of advert video before half of what I watch was very irritating.

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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:38:41 +0100, mike wrote:

On 7/6/2016 9:23 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:44:59 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

Why are adblockers detectable?

Because they request all of the page content except for the ads.

Surely an adblocker should still request the advert and download it, but just not display it. Then the server wouldn't be any the wiser.

Agreed. I've made that point myself in the recent past. I assume they
weren't initially designed that way because no one thought it would be a
problem. The game of cat and mouse, however, is starting to prove otherwise.

problem with downloading is that it takes time and consumes your metered
data. Ad pictures and video can be WAY bigger than the text
you're trying to read.

Nobody uses metered lines nowadays. Do you live in Ethiopia and get your internet with a community dish or something?

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| Why are adblockers detectable?
|
| Because they request all of the page content except for the ads.
|
AND because script is enabled. No monitoring
can be done if one disables script and blocks ads
through HOSTS, blocking 3rd-party images, etc.
(Though the latter method will block many
legitimate images.)

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:50:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

[snip]

Nobody uses metered lines nowadays. Do you live in Ethiopia and get your internet with a community dish or something?

I have a metered connection of 100 GB per month. It is a
standard package with Telus here in British Columbia. I use a bit
over 10 GB per month, but I want the full 100 GB to be for my benefit
since I am the one paying the bill.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:20:25 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:50:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

[snip]

Nobody uses metered lines nowadays. Do you live in Ethiopia and get your internet with a community dish or something?

I have a metered connection of 100 GB per month. It is a
standard package with Telus here in British Columbia. I use a bit
over 10 GB per month, but I want the full 100 GB to be for my benefit
since I am the one paying the bill.

A few ads could never amount to anything like your spare capacity.

Here in Scotland, I have a fibre line physically capable of 54Mbits/s. I've maxed that out continuously for a few months at a time without them complaining. That's 583GB a DAY.

Ok, most folk don't have fibre and just have the normal broadband (ADSL), at an average of about 10Mbits/s, that's still 108GB a DAY.

Remind me never to move to British Columbia.

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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:32:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:20:25 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:50:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

[snip]

Nobody uses metered lines nowadays. Do you live in Ethiopia and get your internet with a community dish or something?

I have a metered connection of 100 GB per month. It is a
standard package with Telus here in British Columbia. I use a bit
over 10 GB per month, but I want the full 100 GB to be for my benefit
since I am the one paying the bill.

A few ads could never amount to anything like your spare capacity.

1) A few ads? Whatever gives you the idea that it would be a few
ads? It would be hundreds or thousands of the pesky things.

2) It is spare capacity for me. If my use rises, I want the benefit
of what I am paying for. Would your answer have been different if I
were using about 95 GB per month (i.e. nearly maxing out)?

Here in Scotland, I have a fibre line physically capable of 54Mbits/s.
I've maxed that out continuously for a few months at a time without
them complaining. That's 583GB a DAY.

Oh, I do not think that Telus would complain. However, they
would send a bill, and I would be complaining.

Ok, most folk don't have fibre and just have the normal broadband (ADSL),
at an average of about 10Mbits/s, that's still 108GB a DAY.

I have ADSL. I am fine with 100 GB per month since it is enough
for me. I would prefer that it stay that way except by my use. I am
not interested in a prize for high bandwidth use.

Remind me never to move to British Columbia.

Fine: do not move to B.C.

I have thought of visiting Scotland. Are there any areas I
should avoid?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On 06.07.16 22:22, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:32:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:20:25 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:50:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

[snip]

Nobody uses metered lines nowadays. Do you live in Ethiopia and get your internet with a community dish or something?

I have a metered connection of 100 GB per month. It is a
standard package with Telus here in British Columbia. I use a bit
over 10 GB per month, but I want the full 100 GB to be for my benefit
since I am the one paying the bill.

A few ads could never amount to anything like your spare capacity.

1) A few ads? Whatever gives you the idea that it would be a few
ads? It would be hundreds or thousands of the pesky things.

2) It is spare capacity for me. If my use rises, I want the benefit
of what I am paying for. Would your answer have been different if I
were using about 95 GB per month (i.e. nearly maxing out)?

Here in Scotland, I have a fibre line physically capable of 54Mbits/s.
I've maxed that out continuously for a few months at a time without
them complaining. That's 583GB a DAY.

Oh, I do not think that Telus would complain. However, they
would send a bill, and I would be complaining.

Ok, most folk don't have fibre and just have the normal broadband (ADSL),
at an average of about 10Mbits/s, that's still 108GB a DAY.

I have ADSL. I am fine with 100 GB per month since it is enough
for me. I would prefer that it stay that way except by my use. I am
not interested in a prize for high bandwidth use.

Remind me never to move to British Columbia.

Fine: do not move to B.C.

I have thought of visiting Scotland. Are there any areas I
should avoid?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Yes. Avoid all those places that dont brew blended Scotch Whisky.

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 21:22:00 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:32:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:20:25 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:50:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

[snip]

Nobody uses metered lines nowadays. Do you live in Ethiopia and get your internet with a community dish or something?

I have a metered connection of 100 GB per month. It is a
standard package with Telus here in British Columbia. I use a bit
over 10 GB per month, but I want the full 100 GB to be for my benefit
since I am the one paying the bill.

A few ads could never amount to anything like your spare capacity.

1) A few ads? Whatever gives you the idea that it would be a few
ads? It would be hundreds or thousands of the pesky things.

Compared to the amount of data you get from your webpage that you wanted, it's not a significant amount.

2) It is spare capacity for me. If my use rises, I want the benefit
of what I am paying for.

You can increase by a factor of 10.

Would your answer have been different if I
were using about 95 GB per month (i.e. nearly maxing out)?

No. If you only had 5GB left, you'd be wanting to upgrade anyway just for the things you want.

Here in Scotland, I have a fibre line physically capable of 54Mbits/s.
I've maxed that out continuously for a few months at a time without
them complaining. That's 583GB a DAY.

Oh, I do not think that Telus would complain. However, they
would send a bill, and I would be complaining.

Why not just switch to unlimited? I don't pay per use for my water or mobile phone either. Flatrate things are so much easier.

Ok, most folk don't have fibre and just have the normal broadband (ADSL),
at an average of about 10Mbits/s, that's still 108GB a DAY.

I have ADSL. I am fine with 100 GB per month since it is enough
for me. I would prefer that it stay that way except by my use. I am
not interested in a prize for high bandwidth use.

There are so many things you can do when given free access to TB of data.

Remind me never to move to British Columbia.

Fine: do not move to B.C.

I hadn't forgotten yet. Remind me in 1 month.

I have thought of visiting Scotland. Are there any areas I
should avoid?

Depends on your personal taste. I like quiet scenic areas, not built up ugly cities. If you're fairly fit, I'd go for something like the West Highland Way, or climb Ben Nevis, or the Great Glen Way (all start around Fort William).

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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 21:33:48 +0100, Sjouke Burry wrote:

On 06.07.16 22:22, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:32:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:20:25 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:50:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

[snip]

Nobody uses metered lines nowadays. Do you live in Ethiopia and get your internet with a community dish or something?

I have a metered connection of 100 GB per month. It is a
standard package with Telus here in British Columbia. I use a bit
over 10 GB per month, but I want the full 100 GB to be for my benefit
since I am the one paying the bill.

A few ads could never amount to anything like your spare capacity.

1) A few ads? Whatever gives you the idea that it would be a few
ads? It would be hundreds or thousands of the pesky things.

2) It is spare capacity for me. If my use rises, I want the benefit
of what I am paying for. Would your answer have been different if I
were using about 95 GB per month (i.e. nearly maxing out)?

Here in Scotland, I have a fibre line physically capable of 54Mbits/s.
I've maxed that out continuously for a few months at a time without
them complaining. That's 583GB a DAY.

Oh, I do not think that Telus would complain. However, they
would send a bill, and I would be complaining.

Ok, most folk don't have fibre and just have the normal broadband (ADSL),
at an average of about 10Mbits/s, that's still 108GB a DAY.

I have ADSL. I am fine with 100 GB per month since it is enough
for me. I would prefer that it stay that way except by my use. I am
not interested in a prize for high bandwidth use.

Remind me never to move to British Columbia.

Fine: do not move to B.C.

I have thought of visiting Scotland. Are there any areas I
should avoid?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Yes. Avoid all those places that dont brew blended Scotch Whisky.

I was in Inverness once and found a brewery where they were having a cheese drinking competition.

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On 06/07/2016 22:14, James Wilkinson wrote:

Why not just switch to unlimited?

Because that is how Canadians are. They are the most stupid people you
can come across on these newsgroups. I have also seen one Small Boys
Abuser here looking for young boys for his entertainment. He looks for
articles on the web that are critical of Microsoft and posts them here
hoping that young boys would be impressed by his dedication to all
things spam.


You are Scottish, are you not? If so do you still use both sides of the
toilet paper? Scots used to be like that.

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On 7/6/2016 2:14 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

Nobody uses metered lines nowadays. Do you live in Ethiopia and
get your internet with a community dish or something?

Guess nobody uses their phone for internet.


Here in Scotland, I have a fibre line physically capable of 54Mbits/s.
I've maxed that out continuously for a few months at a time without
them complaining. That's 583GB a DAY.

There are so many things you can do when given free access to TB of data.

Name several.
I can't imagine being able to consume half a TB per day for months
at a time.

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 22:14:10 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 21:22:00 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:32:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 18:20:25 +0100, Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 17:50:54 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

[snip]

Nobody uses metered lines nowadays. Do you live in Ethiopia and get your internet with a community dish or something?

I have a metered connection of 100 GB per month. It is a
standard package with Telus here in British Columbia. I use a bit
over 10 GB per month, but I want the full 100 GB to be for my benefit
since I am the one paying the bill.

A few ads could never amount to anything like your spare capacity.

1) A few ads? Whatever gives you the idea that it would be a few
ads? It would be hundreds or thousands of the pesky things.

Compared to the amount of data you get from your webpage that you wanted, it's not a significant amount.

It depends on the Web page.

2) It is spare capacity for me. If my use rises, I want the benefit
of what I am paying for.

You can increase by a factor of 10.

Would your answer have been different if I
were using about 95 GB per month (i.e. nearly maxing out)?

No. If you only had 5GB left, you'd be wanting to upgrade anyway just for the things you want.

Or I would be wanting to economise to save having to spend more.

Here in Scotland, I have a fibre line physically capable of 54Mbits/s.
I've maxed that out continuously for a few months at a time without
them complaining. That's 583GB a DAY.

Oh, I do not think that Telus would complain. However, they
would send a bill, and I would be complaining.

Why not just switch to unlimited? I don't pay per use for my water or mobile phone either. Flatrate things are so much easier.

Cost. I just checked, and it would be $30+ more per month. Since
I do not use that much, I do not need it.

Ok, most folk don't have fibre and just have the normal broadband (ADSL),
at an average of about 10Mbits/s, that's still 108GB a DAY.

I have ADSL. I am fine with 100 GB per month since it is enough
for me. I would prefer that it stay that way except by my use. I am
not interested in a prize for high bandwidth use.

There are so many things you can do when given free access to TB of data.

Yes, but I have no interest in them. My bandwidth use has
increased over the years but not as much as that.

Remind me never to move to British Columbia.

Fine: do not move to B.C.

I hadn't forgotten yet. Remind me in 1 month.

I have thought of visiting Scotland. Are there any areas I
should avoid?

Depends on your personal taste. I like quiet scenic areas, not built up ugly cities. If you're fairly fit, I'd go for something like the West Highland Way, or climb Ben Nevis, or the Great Glen Way (all start around Fort William).

Is the Loch Rannoch area as pretty as it seems?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko