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Old July 4th 20, 03:00 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 00:18:11, Apd wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

[built-in zip]

I don't think there's anything _wrong_ with its being there, as long
as you know its limitations - and, for me, it _is_ useful.


It can be useful in some cases but the deal breaker for me is that
(on XP) file dates are not preserved on extraction. They get the
current date & time.


I hadn't spotted that. I rarely extracted - AFAICR, only for
installations that _required_ several files, and in those cases I'd
usually delete the extracted files after the installation was complete,
so it didn't matter. Yes, that would bug me too. (I'll have a look to
see if the same applies in 7 next time I do an extraction, if I remember.)


In the ZIP tool I use, only the Modified field is displayed,
with Created and Accessed blank.

In File Explorer, Modified is how I list files.

When I extract a file from a ZIP, I get a 2014 date like
I see inside the ZIP tool console.

I don't care what the Created field says, and if the
Created field was 2020 and the Modified field was 2014,
then I know it's a 2014 file. I might only witness values
like that, when doing "Properties" on the file.

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  #32  
Old July 4th 20, 12:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:42:29 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On 7/3/2020 7:26 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"Frank Slootweg" wrote

| I like the "snipping tool". I'm not completely sure whether it was
| available earlier.
|
| IIRC, it was already in XP, but at least in Vista.

This is the first I've ever heard of it. Pressing PrtScr
puts a desktop screenshot on the clipboard.
Pressing Ctrl + Prt Scr puts an active window screenshot
on the clipboard. That can then be pasted into any
graphic editor and cropped.

To think of "snipping tool"
as a new function is like thinking of built-in ZIP as a
new function: It's there, but only the least experienced
people, who never actually use ZIP files, would be
without a real ZIP program. The least of those is still
better than the confusing windows ZIP functionality
that shows a ZIP as a folder.


I can understand why you think of it as confusing, but personally I
think showing it as a folder is a good idea. It lets you open it as you
would open a folder and use the files within it (mostly) as you would
the files in a folder.


The zip archive icon is different, compared to a folder icon.
  #33  
Old July 4th 20, 12:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3 Jul 2020 17:34:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

That said, nowadays I just use 7-Zip for most unzipping. (For
*some* unzipping, 7-Zip doesn't quite do the trick.)


....eg for RAR files. See this history page for some insight about
the development of compress/archive formats:

https://ethw.org/History_of_Lossless...ion_Algorithms
  #34  
Old July 4th 20, 12:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3 Jul 2020 13:07:38 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[Newsgroups restored]

Sjouke Burry wrote:
On 03.07.20 12:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:

....
PLEASE strip newsgroups.
Only ASO's try to flood the internet.


Don't be silly! You can disagree about the (non-)sense of the
OP/subject, but it *is* applicable to all the listed newsgroups.

FWIW, I don't like massive crossposting either, but once the OP has
set the groups, snipping groups is nearly always counter-productive,
because people in the snipped group(s) will miss part of the discussion
or/and waste their time posting something which has already been
discussed in the other group(s).

Bottom line: There is *no* advantage snipping groups in an already
started thread, unless a group is off-topic from the start.


Keep snipping! In this case no sense in including the win7 and xp
groups - they're already a lost cause!
  #35  
Old July 4th 20, 01:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Paul" wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 00:18:11, Apd wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

[built-in zip]

I don't think there's anything _wrong_ with its being there, as long
as you know its limitations - and, for me, it _is_ useful.

It can be useful in some cases but the deal breaker for me is that
(on XP) file dates are not preserved on extraction. They get the
current date & time.

I hadn't spotted that. I rarely extracted - AFAICR, only for
installations that _required_ several files, and in those cases I'd
usually delete the extracted files after the installation was complete,
so it didn't matter. Yes, that would bug me too. (I'll have a look to
see if the same applies in 7 next time I do an extraction, if I remember.)


In the ZIP tool I use, only the Modified field is displayed,
with Created and Accessed blank.


7-Zip can show all 3 dates if present. The built-in function on XP
shows one date without saying which. It turns out to be "modified".

In File Explorer, Modified is how I list files.


Same here. It's the only useful field.

When I extract a file from a ZIP, I get a 2014 date like
I see inside the ZIP tool console.


Built-in or other tool? When 7-zip extracts files, all dates are
preserved on extraction if present.

I don't care what the Created field says, and if the
Created field was 2020 and the Modified field was 2014,
then I know it's a 2014 file. I might only witness values
like that, when doing "Properties" on the file.


Exactly. Created can be lower or higher than the modified date.

I've now discovered that the built-in zip extaction varies on two XP
machines here! They are both SP3 but one has more recent patches.

zipfldr.dll 6.00.2900.5512 (xpsp.080413-2105)

This sets all dates to the "modified" date from zip on extraction
which I suppose is reasonable.

zipfldr.dll 6.00.2900.7443 (xpsp_sp3_qfe.180215-0605)

This sets the created date to the modified date from the zip on
extraction. The modified date is set to the current date. It's the
wrong way round!

So, as far as I'm concerned, the later revision has undesirable
behaviour.


  #36  
Old July 4th 20, 01:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 00:18:11, Apd wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

[built-in zip]

I don't think there's anything _wrong_ with its being there, as long
as you know its limitations - and, for me, it _is_ useful.


It can be useful in some cases but the deal breaker for me is that
(on XP) file dates are not preserved on extraction. They get the
current date & time.


I hadn't spotted that. I rarely extracted - AFAICR, only for
installations that _required_ several files, and in those cases I'd
usually delete the extracted files after the installation was complete,
so it didn't matter. Yes, that would bug me too. (I'll have a look to
see if the same applies in 7 next time I do an extraction, if I
remember.)


I just checked a fully patched Win7. All dates (created, modified,
accessed) are set to the modified date stored in the zip on extracted
files, which is reasonable behaviour. See my other post for XP
anomalies.


  #37  
Old July 4th 20, 03:21 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"mechanic" wrote

| I can understand why you think of it as confusing, but personally I
| think showing it as a folder is a good idea. It lets you open it as you
| would open a folder and use the files within it (mostly) as you would
| the files in a folder.
|
| The zip archive icon is different, compared to a folder icon.

This is all obvious to people in this group. But when
someone opens a ZIP in Windows they see a folder.
They don't see a green folder with a warning, or any
other indicator that this is not a real folder.

I find it confusing for myself. It's very rare that I
might want one file out of a ZIP. Usually I'll want to
unpack it.


  #38  
Old July 4th 20, 05:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 04.07.20 13:27, mechanic wrote:
On 3 Jul 2020 17:34:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

That said, nowadays I just use 7-Zip for most unzipping. (For
*some* unzipping, 7-Zip doesn't quite do the trick.)


...eg for RAR files. See this history page for some insight about
the development of compress/archive formats:

https://ethw.org/History_of_Lossless...ion_Algorithms

Using IZArc for those.
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Old July 4th 20, 06:07 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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mechanic wrote:
On 3 Jul 2020 17:34:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

That said, nowadays I just use 7-Zip for most unzipping. (For
*some* unzipping, 7-Zip doesn't quite do the trick.)


...eg for RAR files. See this history page for some insight about
the development of compress/archive formats:

https://ethw.org/History_of_Lossless...ion_Algorithms


Eugene Roshal provides a library for decompression of the RAR format.
That part is free.

It's the compression part which is not free, and 7Z is less likely
to support that (without some work). I bet Igor has the skill set
and the chops to reverse engineer it. But he's not going to.

This is similar to some other compression formats, where they
would sell you the compressor, but the decompression was free.

That's also why some compression formats have SFX, to encourage
free decompression, and "without installing anything".

Paul
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Old July 4th 20, 08:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Mayayana" on Sat, 4 Jul 2020 10:21:53 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"mechanic" wrote

| I can understand why you think of it as confusing, but personally I
| think showing it as a folder is a good idea. It lets you open it as you
| would open a folder and use the files within it (mostly) as you would
| the files in a folder.
|
| The zip archive icon is different, compared to a folder icon.

This is all obvious to people in this group. But when
someone opens a ZIP in Windows they see a folder.
They don't see a green folder with a warning, or any
other indicator that this is not a real folder.

I find it confusing for myself. It's very rare that I
might want one file out of a ZIP. Usually I'll want to
unpack it.


Or I zipped those files for a reason. Having them show up in
every search was not one of them.

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Old July 4th 20, 09:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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pyotr filipivich wrote:
"Mayayana" on Sat, 4 Jul 2020 10:21:53 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"mechanic" wrote

| I can understand why you think of it as confusing, but personally I
| think showing it as a folder is a good idea. It lets you open it as you
| would open a folder and use the files within it (mostly) as you would
| the files in a folder.
|
| The zip archive icon is different, compared to a folder icon.

This is all obvious to people in this group. But when
someone opens a ZIP in Windows they see a folder.
They don't see a green folder with a warning, or any
other indicator that this is not a real folder.

I find it confusing for myself. It's very rare that I
might want one file out of a ZIP. Usually I'll want to
unpack it.


Or I zipped those files for a reason. Having them show up in
every search was not one of them.


In Windows XP:

regsvr32 /u zipfldr.dll
regsvr32 /u cabview.dll

and that's supposed to end "seeing inside stuff".

But note that WinXP also seems to be able to re-register
those, so their "effects" come back. I haven't been able
to figure out what triggers that.

Paul
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Old July 4th 20, 10:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:24:02 -0400, Paul
wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:
"Mayayana" on Sat, 4 Jul 2020 10:21:53 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"mechanic" wrote

| I can understand why you think of it as confusing, but personally I
| think showing it as a folder is a good idea. It lets you open it as you
| would open a folder and use the files within it (mostly) as you would
| the files in a folder.
|
| The zip archive icon is different, compared to a folder icon.

This is all obvious to people in this group. But when
someone opens a ZIP in Windows they see a folder.
They don't see a green folder with a warning, or any
other indicator that this is not a real folder.

I find it confusing for myself. It's very rare that I
might want one file out of a ZIP. Usually I'll want to
unpack it.


Or I zipped those files for a reason. Having them show up in
every search was not one of them.


In Windows XP:

regsvr32 /u zipfldr.dll
regsvr32 /u cabview.dll

and that's supposed to end "seeing inside stuff".

But note that WinXP also seems to be able to re-register
those, so their "effects" come back. I haven't been able
to figure out what triggers that.


From my notes:

no_zip_searchXP.reg
.................................................. ........

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{E88DCCE 0-B7B3-11d1-A9F0-00AA0060FA31}\ShellFolder]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000
"UseDropHandler"=""
.................................................. ........
[]'s
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  #43  
Old July 5th 20, 02:18 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Shadow" wrote

| and that's supposed to end "seeing inside stuff".
|
| But note that WinXP also seems to be able to re-register
| those, so their "effects" come back. I haven't been able
| to figure out what triggers that.
|
| From my notes:
|
| no_zip_searchXP.reg
| .................................................. .......
|
| Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
|
|
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{E88DCCE 0-B7B3-11d1-A9F0-00AA0060FA31}\ShellFolder]
| "Attributes"=dword:00000000
| "UseDropHandler"=""

Seems unlikely. A drop handler is just something that
deals with a file dropped onto something. Part of the
reason I don't use Windows search is because it doesn't
see inside CABS. Agent Ransack does. It doesn't
decompress, but both ZIP and CAB contain file names
in plain text. So it's a great way to find which system
CAB abc.sys is in when you're trying to install something
and Windows can't find needed files. Why anyone would
want to block looking for filenames inside CABs and ZIPs
is beyond me. Do you work for the CIA? A shady tax
accountant?

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Old July 5th 20, 06:07 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Shadow on Sat, 04 Jul 2020 18:32:35 -0300 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following:
On Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:24:02 -0400, Paul
wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:
"Mayayana" on Sat, 4 Jul 2020 10:21:53 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
"mechanic" wrote

| I can understand why you think of it as confusing, but personally I
| think showing it as a folder is a good idea. It lets you open it as you
| would open a folder and use the files within it (mostly) as you would
| the files in a folder.
|
| The zip archive icon is different, compared to a folder icon.

This is all obvious to people in this group. But when
someone opens a ZIP in Windows they see a folder.
They don't see a green folder with a warning, or any
other indicator that this is not a real folder.

I find it confusing for myself. It's very rare that I
might want one file out of a ZIP. Usually I'll want to
unpack it.

Or I zipped those files for a reason. Having them show up in
every search was not one of them.


In Windows XP:

regsvr32 /u zipfldr.dll
regsvr32 /u cabview.dll

and that's supposed to end "seeing inside stuff".

But note that WinXP also seems to be able to re-register
those, so their "effects" come back. I haven't been able
to figure out what triggers that.


From my notes:

no_zip_searchXP.reg
................................................. ........

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\CLSID\{E88DCCE 0-B7B3-11d1-A9F0-00AA0060FA31}\ShellFolder]
"Attributes"=dword:00000000
"UseDropHandler"=""
................................................. ........
[]'s

I have a atch file to do that.

As to why shut that off? Mostly, I don't need it, and so it gets
in my way. Especially when I'm looking for a file which starts with
MONT and don't want the files with Month Altmont or the string "mont"
some where in the file / tags / random add-ons.
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Old July 7th 20, 10:51 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:09:47 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:01:04 +1000, Lucifer
wrote:

You can stream audio over bluetooth.


My w/7 machines have no problem with that.


I have an Acer One Aspire running Windows 7.
Please tell me how you did it.
 




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