Still locked out of gmail from client app

On 4/4/2020 12:38 AM, T wrote:
On 2020-04-03 20:17, actodesco wrote:
On 4/3/2020 6:17 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-04-02 20:19, actodesco wrote:
On 3/25/2020 6:27 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
I'm still locked out of gmail from TBird.Â* I really don't get it.
So today, I uninstalled TBird, downloaded a fresh TBird and, even
though I erased all of my passwords in TBird, it never askes for a
password. Weird!Â* I was going to enable OAuth2 but, as I said, it
never askes for a password or key.Â* Any ideas?

An update on my problem.Â* As I said previously, I have 4 PCs at home
that are having the same problems.Â* I can't use client based email
programs, namely Thunderbird, but I also tried the W10 Email client
program, with similar results.Â* I called Frontier, my provider and
of course, it was not their problem.Â* Yesterday I took my laptop to
my church, where they have a different provider with a fiber
directly to the building.Â* I turned on the laptop, opened
Thunderbird and it immediately started accessing all of my gmails
from 2 different accounts.Â* I was also able to send emails.Â* Talking
to the Frontier techs, they continued to blame Thunderbird.Â* I told
them they were not listening to me as it worked on another ISP's
service and I also had the same problem on W10 email client.Â* After
many dropped calls and false starts, they were going to bump it to
the next tier, but it could take up to 72 hours.Â* I don't believe it
will happen without me squawking again.Â* But, today I took my laptop
to a friend's house that is close by, which also uses Frontier, but
on a different remote. Thunderbird again worked perfectly.Â* So, it
looks to me like the problem is in my remote, DSLM.Â* I'm going to
try going to a neighbor's house, who is on the same remote as me,
and see what happens.Â* No wonder Frontier has filed for some type of
bankruptsy protection! More later, as it happens.

Hi Art,

I feel your pain.

I have a customer that needed a business account for a
fixed IP and no blocked ports.Â* Frontier had no business
circuits in the area, so they put him on a home circuit
which blocks all kind of incoming syn packets.Â* I showed
them traces and where exactly in the system they were
having the issue.Â* The techs threw their hands up in
the air. Seems that the guy in charge of the firewall
was told by company policy not to speak with customers
and the techs could only leave him sticky notes on his
desk, which he ignored.Â* No amount of complaining by me
or the techs got anywhere.

The solution was to get another ISP.

I have another customer that whenever Frontier discovers
he is running his fax live off his DSL, they disconnect
his fax line.Â* They apologize all over the place and
fix it for about two weeks, then back to the fax
going down again.Â* Ah ya, it was the same guy with
the sticky notes again.Â*Â* And again, no amount of
complaining by me or the techs got anywhere.Â* "Oh
this is wrong" and down the fax went again.

The solution was also to get another ISP.

If you open a trouble ticket on the 800 line,
they CAN NOT speak to the yellow sticky not guy.
Only the techs.Â* They call me, I give them the
information, they leave a sticky note and "ah shucks".

I can not explain Frontier.Â* They are a bunch of, well,
I'd better stop here before I have to wash my mouth
out with soap.

And some folks think Charter/spectrum is bad.Â* (They are.)

I work very closely with a small microwave ISP in the area.
They all know me by name and I am allowed to talk to ANYONE
at their company.Â* It makes a YUGE difference when the
right hand knows what the left hand is doing.Â* We refer
each other a lot.Â* And since it is my company policy NOT
to take kick backs for referrals -- it is a conflict of
interest -- it works out nicely.Â* I only refer when it
is in my customer's best interest.

I don't care for the service from big companies.

Get another ISP.Â* This linkÂ* will give you a (mostly
accurate) list:

https://broadbandnow.com/

-T

Unfortunately they are the only game in town.Â* The cable company
refuses to bring cable up the mountain where I live.Â* There are
potentially about 100 customers here, but I'm sure running the cable
would be big bucks.Â* I could go satelite but they pretty much don't
allow streaming of say, movies or MLB content.Â* Also, another thing
I've noticed in the last week or 2 was sometimes when you click on a
link, it just sits there forever.Â* If you reload the link, it pops up
almost instantly. They obviously have some bad paths through their
network.


Are there no microwave services out there?

There is one, but very expensive for very slow service.

On 4/3/2020 11:37 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 23:12:30 -0400, actodesco wrote:

On 4/3/2020 5:15 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 14:24:19 -0400, actodesco wrote:

With my ISP I usually HAVE to re-boot my modem/router every few days.
When you can't connect on the internet, you look at the modem, ah, red
light, power down, count to 5 and then repower.

How long have you been putting up with that? Do you have any plans to
address that issue?

For some time now. I'm thinking that when they doubled my speed, even
thought I am a bit over the loop lenth limit, that might be causing it.
But, I'd rather put up with is than have even slower speed.

That would drive me nuts, but your situation puts you in a weak negotiating
position. If the only other choice is satellite, then you're sort of stuck
with what you have. Still, maybe the ISP can fix it versus making it worse.
Good luck to you.

But, their tech droids, who are based in different parts of the country,
don't know that they are the only game in town. So I CAN make threats
of service cancellation, etc. Their 2nd level tech group is supposed to
call me within 72 hours, business hours, that is. I don't know if they
include Saturday. This afternoon it will be 72 hours. I won't hold my
breath. But Monday they will certainly get a call from me.

On 2020-04-04 06:20, actodesco wrote:
On 4/4/2020 12:38 AM, T wrote:
On 2020-04-03 20:17, actodesco wrote:
On 4/3/2020 6:17 PM, T wrote:
On 2020-04-02 20:19, actodesco wrote:
On 3/25/2020 6:27 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
I'm still locked out of gmail from TBird.Â* I really don't get it.
So today, I uninstalled TBird, downloaded a fresh TBird and, even
though I erased all of my passwords in TBird, it never askes for a
password. Weird!Â* I was going to enable OAuth2 but, as I said, it
never askes for a password or key.Â* Any ideas?

An update on my problem.Â* As I said previously, I have 4 PCs at
home that are having the same problems.Â* I can't use client based
email programs, namely Thunderbird, but I also tried the W10 Email
client program, with similar results.Â* I called Frontier, my
provider and of course, it was not their problem.Â* Yesterday I took
my laptop to my church, where they have a different provider with a
fiber directly to the building.Â* I turned on the laptop, opened
Thunderbird and it immediately started accessing all of my gmails
from 2 different accounts.Â* I was also able to send emails.
Talking to the Frontier techs, they continued to blame
Thunderbird.Â* I told them they were not listening to me as it
worked on another ISP's service and I also had the same problem on
W10 email client.Â* After many dropped calls and false starts, they
were going to bump it to the next tier, but it could take up to 72
hours.Â* I don't believe it will happen without me squawking again.
But, today I took my laptop to a friend's house that is close by,
which also uses Frontier, but on a different remote. Thunderbird
again worked perfectly.Â* So, it looks to me like the problem is in
my remote, DSLM.Â* I'm going to try going to a neighbor's house, who
is on the same remote as me, and see what happens.Â* No wonder
Frontier has filed for some type of bankruptsy protection! More
later, as it happens.

Hi Art,

I feel your pain.

I have a customer that needed a business account for a
fixed IP and no blocked ports.Â* Frontier had no business
circuits in the area, so they put him on a home circuit
which blocks all kind of incoming syn packets.Â* I showed
them traces and where exactly in the system they were
having the issue.Â* The techs threw their hands up in
the air. Seems that the guy in charge of the firewall
was told by company policy not to speak with customers
and the techs could only leave him sticky notes on his
desk, which he ignored.Â* No amount of complaining by me
or the techs got anywhere.

The solution was to get another ISP.

I have another customer that whenever Frontier discovers
he is running his fax live off his DSL, they disconnect
his fax line.Â* They apologize all over the place and
fix it for about two weeks, then back to the fax
going down again.Â* Ah ya, it was the same guy with
the sticky notes again.Â*Â* And again, no amount of
complaining by me or the techs got anywhere.Â* "Oh
this is wrong" and down the fax went again.

The solution was also to get another ISP.

If you open a trouble ticket on the 800 line,
they CAN NOT speak to the yellow sticky not guy.
Only the techs.Â* They call me, I give them the
information, they leave a sticky note and "ah shucks".

I can not explain Frontier.Â* They are a bunch of, well,
I'd better stop here before I have to wash my mouth
out with soap.

And some folks think Charter/spectrum is bad.Â* (They are.)

I work very closely with a small microwave ISP in the area.
They all know me by name and I am allowed to talk to ANYONE
at their company.Â* It makes a YUGE difference when the
right hand knows what the left hand is doing.Â* We refer
each other a lot.Â* And since it is my company policy NOT
to take kick backs for referrals -- it is a conflict of
interest -- it works out nicely.Â* I only refer when it
is in my customer's best interest.

I don't care for the service from big companies.

Get another ISP.Â* This linkÂ* will give you a (mostly
accurate) list:

https://broadbandnow.com/

-T

Unfortunately they are the only game in town.Â* The cable company
refuses to bring cable up the mountain where I live.Â* There are
potentially about 100 customers here, but I'm sure running the cable
would be big bucks.Â* I could go satelite but they pretty much don't
allow streaming of say, movies or MLB content.Â* Also, another thing
I've noticed in the last week or 2 was sometimes when you click on a
link, it just sits there forever.Â* If you reload the link, it pops up
almost instantly. They obviously have some bad paths through their
network.


Are there no microwave services out there?

There is one, but very expensive for very slow service.

Anything else show up on broadbandnow.com?

On 2020-04-04 06:20, actodesco wrote:
GetÂ*anotherÂ*ISP.Â*Â*ThisÂ*linkÂ*Â*willÂ*giveÂ*yo uÂ*aÂ*(mostly
accurate)Â*list:

https://broadbandnow.com/

-T

Unfortunately they are the only game in town.Â* The cable company
refuses to bring cable up the mountain where I live.Â* There are
potentially about 100 customers here, but I'm sure running the cable
would be big bucks.Â* I could go satelite but they pretty much don't
allow streaming of say, movies or MLB content.Â* Also, another thing
I've noticed in the last week or 2 was sometimes when you click on a
link, it just sits there forever.Â* If you reload the link, it pops up
almost instantly. They obviously have some bad paths through their
network.


AreÂ*thereÂ*noÂ*microwaveÂ*servicesÂ*outÂ*there?

ThereÂ*isÂ*one,Â*butÂ*veryÂ*expensiveÂ*forÂ*veryÂ* slowÂ*service.

I wonder if there are any of the VPN services out
there will handle eMail ports?

On 3/25/2020 6:27 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
I'm still locked out of gmail from TBird.Â* I really don't get it.Â* So
today, I uninstalled TBird, downloaded a fresh TBird and, even though I
erased all of my passwords in TBird, it never askes for a password.
Weird!Â* I was going to enable OAuth2 but, as I said, it never askes for
a password or key.Â* Any ideas?

Today is when the super techs of Frontier are supposed to call me back,
to figure out what is wrong. As I said before, I'm not going to hold my
breath. But the good news is that I fixed it. I went into the DSL
modem and shut off the firewall! Thunderbird immediately stopped the
timeout errors. This begs the question, why did it work before? I
didn't change the setting. Was it somehow, backdoor hacked? I don't
think I'll ever find out. But, I thought I'd close the loop here and
let those following, especially T, what's what.

On 2020-04-06 11:44, actodesco wrote:
On 3/25/2020 6:27 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
I'm still locked out of gmail from TBird.Â* I really don't get it.Â* So
today, I uninstalled TBird, downloaded a fresh TBird and, even though
I erased all of my passwords in TBird, it never askes for a password.
Weird!Â* I was going to enable OAuth2 but, as I said, it never askes
for a password or key.Â* Any ideas?

Today is when the super techs of Frontier are supposed to call me back,
to figure out what is wrong. As I said before, I'm not going to hold my
breath.Â* But the good news is that I fixed it.Â* I went into the DSL
modem and shut off the firewall! Thunderbird immediately stopped the
timeout errors.Â* This begs the question, why did it work before?Â* I
didn't change the setting.Â* Was it somehow, backdoor hacked?Â* I don't
think I'll ever find out.Â* But, I thought I'd close the loop here and
let those following, especially T, what's what.

Thank you for the feedback!

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