Replace MB & Processor

As another also said, uninstall your anti-virus and spyware
apps, they can interfere with OS installs.



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"Jim Macklin" wrote
in message ...
| If you follow the directions and uninstall extraneous
| hardware, so Windows doesn't have to work around them, set
| the BIOS to boot from the CD and then do your swap of the
| mobo and CPU and boot from the CD, your only likely error
is
| to do a clean install as a dual boot. Be sure to follow
the
| instruction Bruce listed and read the instructions on
screen
| when the CD boots. Do it right and I'd say your odds at
95%
| success. Be sure to have reliable power [ UPS ] if you
can.
| If you can afford it, why not buy a new hard drive and do
a
| clean install, gain more storage and avoid the hassle.
The
| your old drive becomes your slave and backup.
|
|
|
| --
| The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
| But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
| some support
| http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
| See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and
duties.
|
|
| "Irv" wrote in message
| ...
|| My question would be what are the chances of success?
|| I am doing an upgrade to me system with an upgraded MB
and
| Dual COre
|| processor. It is a retail version of winxp sp2
||
|| "Bruce Chambers" wrote:
||
|| Irv wrote:
|| I am getting ready to replace my MB and Processor. I
| have read the article
|| from MS ID#824125.
|| What I am trying to do is repalce these items and not
| touch the hard drive.
|| I do not want to reinstall WinXP SP2 as I want to
wait
| until Vista is
|| released and then do a complete reinstall. Has
anyone
| used this procedure
|| with any luck? Any suggestions are welcome.
|| Thanks
||
||
|| Normally, and assuming a retail license (many
| factory-installed OEM
|| installations are BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and
| therefore are
|| *not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours
| before starting),
|| unless the new motherboard is virtually identical
(same
| chipset, same
|| IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on
| which the WinXP
|| installation was originally performed, you'll need to
| perform a repair
|| (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very
| least:
||
|| How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
||
|
http://support.microsoft.com/directo...;EN-US;Q315341
||
|| Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with
WinXP
| Installed
|| http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html
||
|| The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing
| to do with
|| licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical
| matter, at this point.
|| You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from
| under the OS. (If
|| you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of
it
| as picking up a
|| Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a
| Ranch style
|| foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like
| Win2K before it,
|| is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes
to
| accepting any
|| old hardware configuration you throw at it. On
| installation it
|| "tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This
| is one of the
|| reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so
much
| more stable
|| than the Win9x group.
||
|| As always when undertaking such a significant
| change, back up any
|| important data before starting.
||
|| This will also probably require re-activation,
| unless you have a
|| Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If
it's
| been more than
|| 120 days since you last activated that specific Product
| Key, you'll most
|| likely be able to activate via the Internet without
| problem. If it's
|| been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone
call.
||
||
||
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|| Bruce Chambers
||
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||
|| They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
| little temporary
|| safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin
| Franklin
||
|| Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most
| do. -Bertrand Russell
||
|
|

Bruce, you are dead on with your explanation. I have done that exactly
three times with NO problems except for copying down the correct string of
numbers when I had to reactivate once by 'phone - my problem, not the
procedure's.

I really don't understand why some insist that it is impossible to do what
the OP wants to.

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Irv wrote:
I am getting ready to replace my MB and Processor. I have read the
article from MS ID#824125.
What I am trying to do is repalce these items and not touch the hard
drive. I do not want to reinstall WinXP SP2 as I want to wait until
Vista is released and then do a complete reinstall. Has anyone used this
procedure with any luck? Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks


Normally, and assuming a retail license (many factory-installed OEM
installations are BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and therefore are
*not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours before starting),
unless the new motherboard is virtually identical (same chipset, same IDE
controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on which the WinXP
installation was originally performed, you'll need to perform a repair
(a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very least:

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directo...;EN-US;Q315341

Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with WinXP Installed
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing to do with
licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical matter, at this point.
You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from under the OS. (If you
don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it as picking up a Cape
Cod style home and then setting it down onto a Ranch style foundation. It
just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like Win2K before it, is not nearly as
"promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to accepting any old hardware
configuration you throw at it. On installation it "tailors" itself to the
specific hardware found. This is one of the reasons that the entire
WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much more stable than the Win9x group.

As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any
important data before starting.

This will also probably require re-activation, unless you have a
Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's been more than
120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll most
likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's been
less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.



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Because they have no clue, or they tried it and failed because they didn't
know what they were doing.

"Jack Gillis" wrote in message
...


I really don't understand why some insist that it is impossible to do
what the OP wants to.

The whole issue with this is the motherboard chipset, specifically the hard
drive controllers. If they are fairly similar a repair install likely won't
be needed, but when switching chipsets altogether it would be. I came up
with an easy way around this however.

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...

Normally, and assuming a retail license (many factory-installed OEM
installations are BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and therefore are
*not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours before starting),
unless the new motherboard is virtually identical (same chipset, same IDE
controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on which the WinXP
installation was originally performed, you'll need to perform a repair
(a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very least:

XP activation will see a new mobo and CPU and refuse to boot
until it is reinstalled and activated, If I understand what
items are seen by XP as being identified.


"Dave B." wrote in message
...
| The whole issue with this is the motherboard chipset,
specifically the hard
| drive controllers. If they are fairly similar a repair
install likely won't
| be needed, but when switching chipsets altogether it would
be. I came up
| with an easy way around this however.
|
| "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
| ...
|
| Normally, and assuming a retail license (many
factory-installed OEM
| installations are BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and
therefore are
| *not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours
before starting),
| unless the new motherboard is virtually identical (same
chipset, same IDE
| controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on
which the WinXP
| installation was originally performed, you'll need to
perform a repair
| (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very
least:
|
|
|

"Hertz_Donut" wrote:


Your only option is wait until Vista ships. There is no way to replace the
motherboard and the processor and *NOT* have to do a clean install.


That is totally wrong.

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."

Irv wrote:

I am getting ready to replace my MB and Processor. I have read the article
from MS ID#824125.
What I am trying to do is repalce these items and not touch the hard drive.
I do not want to reinstall WinXP SP2 as I want to wait until Vista is
released and then do a complete reinstall. Has anyone used this procedure
with any luck? Any suggestions are welcome.
Thanks

Bruce Chambers and Jim Macklin have given you the correct answers.

The possible clanger would be if your installed Windows XP is a "BIOS
Locked" OEM version.

To determine if your installed Windows XP is an OEM version open
Control Panel - System - General and look at the 25 character product
ID value reported on the last line of the "Licensed to:" section. If
the second segment of the Product ID reads OEM then your installed
Windows XP is an OEM version.

To determine if your installed OEM version of Windows XP is BIOS
Locked look on the Start Menu in the Accessories - System Tools
section for an "Activate Windows" item. If there is no "Activate
Windows" entry then your installed OEM version of Windows XP is BIOS
Locked and you cannot replace the motherboard unless the new board is
also from the same OEM as the original computer.

Good luck



Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2006)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
Syberfix Remote Computer Repair

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."

It will not "refuse to boot until it is reinstalled", it may require
reactivation if it gets to that point, but a reinstall is NOT required.

"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
XP activation will see a new mobo and CPU and refuse to boot
until it is reinstalled and activated, If I understand what
items are seen by XP as being identified.

"Hertz_Donut" wrote in message
...

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
...
Hertz_Donut wrote:


Your only option is wait until Vista ships. There is no way to replace
the motherboard and the processor and *NOT* have to do a clean install.

Bobby



Liar.


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Feeling a bit snippy?

Generally, a new MB and a new processor don't do well with in-place
re-install...I have never seen one that went well, and didn't leave a ton
of useless baggage behind in the install. It is better, when *both* the
MB and processor are being replaced, to do a clean install. Less
headaches in the long run.

Had it been one *OR* the other, and in-place is usually okay.

Bobby



That's the only vestige of truth I've read from either camps regarding a new
mobo AND cpu install so far. Kinda like politics. Opposing parties not
recognizing the truth in either camp. I'm outta here.
--
Jonny

Irv wrote:
My question would be what are the chances of success?
I am doing an upgrade to me system with an upgraded MB and Dual COre
processor. It is a retail version of winxp sp2


If you follow the instructions provided, your chances of success are
excellent. Only in very rare cases will a complete, clean installation
be necessary.


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Hertz_Donut wrote:


Feeling a bit snippy?


Not at all. Just calling a spade a spade.


Generally, a new MB and a new processor don't do well with in-place
re-install...


That's completely false. Only very, very rarely will there be a
problem. (Based on years of supporting hundreds of different makes and
model computers, and having performed countless motherboard changes.)


I have never seen one that went well, and didn't leave a ton of
useless baggage behind in the install.


Then you've either performed very few such operations, and were working
with a badly corrupted original installation.



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Jim Macklin wrote:
How was my answer Bruce.


Your approach (removing "add-in cards" and not reinstalling them until
after the repair) seems a bit over-cautious to me, as well as being a
bit more labor intensive than necessary. Remember, the device drivers
for those "add-ins" are already installed; doing it your way, the OS
repair might remove or disable those drivers, requiring their
reinstallation.

Otherwise, though, your advice is spot on.


Who are these trolls who lie to
people.




Must be newbies of some sort; no experienced professional would spout
their tripe.


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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

Generally, a new MB and a new processor don't do well with in-place
re-install...


That's completely false. Only very, very rarely will there be a problem.
(Based on years of supporting hundreds of different makes and model
computers, and having performed countless motherboard changes.)

I've tried this maybe five or six times, and it only worked when the new
mobo had the same chipset. In the cases where it didn't work, the boot
failure was a black screen, then a blue screen, then a reboot. I also did it
several times with Win 2k, and it never worked there...but 9x didn't seem to
care what drive image I used.

I'm really curious about your procedure, Bruce....I could use that success
rate. Hmmm...we often kill off the dll driver cache in our images, could
that be part of the issue?

-John O

JohnO wrote:

care what drive image I used.

I'm really curious about your procedure, Bruce....I could use that success
rate. Hmmm...we often kill off the dll driver cache in our images, could
that be part of the issue?

-John O



If you're using partition images, the hardware does need to be
virtually identical; and you can't perform a repair installation from a
disk image, you need to use a true installation CD.


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