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So let me get this straight.. another activation question
Um .. Wow Bruce!
I am going balls to wall (sorta I guess), - P4 HT 3 Ghz Prescott cpu, (need a new board for it) - ASRock P4V88 RAID VIA PT880 Chipset Motherboard ( cheaper but I'm sure it will work ok)(so new memory) - 512 mb DDR333 ram - new case to accomodate the new mix and heat off this bad boy.. so yes I have bought a new case.. Using from old pc - 40 GB HDD - DVD rom - DVD/RW - floppy drive - radeon 9200 video card - sound blaster card I can see that the OS locks itself but like said above, I got a piece of wire for my "hardware requirement". Maybe the seller is at fault on that one but I'm sure it wasn't enforced like it should be or pull it all off of ebay and not let it be sold as it probably was sold with a pc at some point before it got to ebay. oh well..live and learn right?? cya The operative words in you post may be "... building a new pc...." However, you will also be transferring some of the hardware components (something more significant than a case screw or power cord) from the old PC to the new PC. Will you also be using the same case? So, your actions could possibly be construed as a hardware upgrade, rather than as a "new computer." Additionally, you'll have entered a grey area in the OEM EULA. According to the EULA, an OEM license may not be transferred from one distinct PC to another PC. However, this most emphatically does not prohibit one from repairing or upgrading the PC on which an OEM license is installed. Now, some people believe that the motherboard is the key component that defines the "original computer," but the OEM EULA does not make any such distinction. Others have said that one could successfully argue that it's the PC's case that is the deciding component, as that is where one is instructed to affix the OEM CoA label w/Product Key. Again, the EULA does not specifically define any single component as the computer. Microsoft has, to date, been very careful _not_ publicly to define when an incrementally upgraded computer ceases to be the original computer. The closest I've ever seen a Microsoft employee come to this definition (in a public forum) is to tell the person making the inquiry to consult the PC's manufacturer. As the OEM license's support is solely the responsibility of said manufacturer, they should determine what sort of hardware changes to allow before the warranty and support agreements are voided. To paraphrase: An incrementally upgraded computer ceases to be the original computer, as pertains to the OEM EULA, only when the *OEM* says it's a different computer. If you've built the system yourself, and used a generic OEM CD, then _you_ are the "OEM," and _you_ get to decide when you'll no longer support your product." -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question
No. At activation the tool takes a snapshot of the hardware and it does not
know nor care when or how that hardware configuration came to be. It only cares if later changes render the configuration in that first snapshot "unrecognizable" as the same machine. See: http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;302806 and the links at the end of the article. Some components are weighted more heavily than others. The total score is ten. Changing the NIC carries the severist hit at three points. -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... slotcarz wrote: I bought a OEM version of Win XP Home w/SP1 off of ebay. I received a piece of hardware as per ebay/Microsoft regulations for the transaction. I am building a new pc with a new cpu, motherboard, and ram, using My old HDD, both dvd and dvd/rw drives. Can someone tell me where I stand on re-activation? As I remember, I received a cdrom cable as my hardware with this purchase. I had to re-format and install XP Home at the end of Jan/05 due to a problem and activation went thru no problem. I have this feeling I am screwed and have to buy another copy of XP. Is there not anything that can be done to not have to do this. I went thru the automated help to get my 2 free requests for help but looks like they want me to pay for that also. thanks for your time slotcarz The operative words in you post may be "... building a new pc...." However, you will also be transferring some of the hardware components (something more significant than a case screw or power cord) from the old PC to the new PC. Will you also be using the same case? So, your actions could possibly be construed as a hardware upgrade, rather than as a "new computer." Additionally, you'll have entered a grey area in the OEM EULA. According to the EULA, an OEM license may not be transferred from one distinct PC to another PC. However, this most emphatically does not prohibit one from repairing or upgrading the PC on which an OEM license is installed. Now, some people believe that the motherboard is the key component that defines the "original computer," but the OEM EULA does not make any such distinction. Others have said that one could successfully argue that it's the PC's case that is the deciding component, as that is where one is instructed to affix the OEM CoA label w/Product Key. Again, the EULA does not specifically define any single component as the computer. Microsoft has, to date, been very careful _not_ publicly to define when an incrementally upgraded computer ceases to be the original computer. The closest I've ever seen a Microsoft employee come to this definition (in a public forum) is to tell the person making the inquiry to consult the PC's manufacturer. As the OEM license's support is solely the responsibility of said manufacturer, they should determine what sort of hardware changes to allow before the warranty and support agreements are voided. To paraphrase: An incrementally upgraded computer ceases to be the original computer, as pertains to the OEM EULA, only when the *OEM* says it's a different computer. If you've built the system yourself, and used a generic OEM CD, then _you_ are the "OEM," and _you_ get to decide when you'll no longer support your product." -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question
My original post is entirely relevant to your issue.
-- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Be Smart! Protect Your PC! http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...t/default.mspx ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Kenny S" wrote: |I have heard that some people sell OEM versions with hardware like a cable | or a mouse.... so what motherboard you have is irrelevent |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question
Kenny, you just don't understand . . . -----Original Message----- I have heard that some people sell OEM versions with hardware like a cable or a mouse.... so what motherboard you have is irrelevent "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message ... The license for an OEM version of Windows XP is tied forever to the first computer it was installed and activated on. If you make a major hardware change, such as installing an entirely different motherboard, the license is no longer valid. That is one reason OEM versions cost less... no support directly from Microsoft. A "retail version" of Windows XP is what you need if future hardware upgrades are anticipated. -- Carey Frisch Microsoft MVP Windows XP - Shell/User Microsoft Newsgroups Be Smart! Protect Your PC! http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...ect/default.ms px -------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------- "slotcarz" wrote: | I bought a OEM version of Win XP Home w/SP1 off of ebay. I received a piece | of hardware as per ebay/Microsoft regulations for the transaction. I am | building a new pc with a new cpu, motherboard, and ram, using My old HDD, | both dvd and dvd/rw drives. Can someone tell me where I stand on | re-activation? As I remember, I received a cdrom cable as my hardware with | this purchase. I had to re-format and install XP Home at the end of Jan/05 | due to a problem and activation went thru no problem. I have this feeling I | am screwed and have to buy another copy of XP. Is there not anything that can | be done to not have to do this. I went thru the automated help to get my 2 | free requests for help but looks like they want me to pay for that also. | thanks for your time | | slotcarz . |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question
I have used my XP Pro OEM down through three MB's and CPUS's.
They activated over the net. Period. You may have to call since it lhas been such a short time. 120 days since installs prevents any problems. Incidently it is illegal for any of these people to give legal advice without passing the bar. The EULA is a very vague _contract_ which would be covered by an attorney specializing in contract law, _Not an MVP. slotcarz wrote: | Thanks for replying so fast. I can now say I really know the | difference between OEM and retail. That is one thing that is not | stressed at ebay on these auctions and that should be changed. | I unfortunatly will have to pay the price on this mistake. | thanks again, | slotcarz | | "Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote: | || Hi, || || Sadly, OEM copies are generally tied to the system they are first || activated on and cannot be moved to a new one. While this is not || universal, that is the way it is most of the time. This restriction || is one of the reasons why they are cheaper than retail versions. A || new cpu and motherboard is essentially a new system, and you will || likely not be able to activate it. This is really a case of "you get || what you pay for". |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question
There are two types of OEM activation schemes. One is called System Locked
activation and is tied to the BIOS. This type of OEM cd's have the BIOS code and do not generate an activation hardware hash. These systems never activate over the internet because they are already activated by the manufacturer by virtue of the BIOS code. A replacement of the same model motherboard with an identical BIOS is a match with the BIOS code on the cd and the system remains activated. You could change everything else on the computer and it would not matter. No activation is required. If the BIOS does not match, however, a call to the activation center is required. Your OEM cd is of the other type. Activation does rely on the same hardware hash scheme retail products do. These are the cd's that sell on eBay. -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "BBUNNY" wrote in message ... I have used my XP Pro OEM down through three MB's and CPUS's. They activated over the net. Period. You may have to call since it lhas been such a short time. 120 days since installs prevents any problems. Incidently it is illegal for any of these people to give legal advice without passing the bar. The EULA is a very vague _contract_ which would be covered by an attorney specializing in contract law, _Not an MVP. slotcarz wrote: | Thanks for replying so fast. I can now say I really know the | difference between OEM and retail. That is one thing that is not | stressed at ebay on these auctions and that should be changed. | I unfortunatly will have to pay the price on this mistake. | thanks again, | slotcarz | | "Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote: | || Hi, || || Sadly, OEM copies are generally tied to the system they are first || activated on and cannot be moved to a new one. While this is not || universal, that is the way it is most of the time. This restriction || is one of the reasons why they are cheaper than retail versions. A || new cpu and motherboard is essentially a new system, and you will || likely not be able to activate it. This is really a case of "you get || what you pay for". |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question
In ,
slotcarz respectfully replied ;-) I bought a OEM version of Win XP Home w/SP1 off of ebay. I received a piece of hardware as per ebay/Microsoft regulations for the transaction. I am building a new pc with a new cpu, motherboard, and ram, using My old HDD, both dvd and dvd/rw drives. Can someone tell me where I stand on re-activation? As I remember, I received a cdrom cable as my hardware with this purchase. I had to re-format and install XP Home at the end of Jan/05 due to a problem and activation went thru no problem. I have this feeling I am screwed and have to buy another copy of XP. Is there not anything that can be done to not have to do this. I went thru the automated help to get my 2 free requests for help but looks like they want me to pay for that also. thanks for your time slotcarz Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box if using the web based newsgroup. Move XP to new hardware. http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html -- Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP http://www.michaelstevenstech.com For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader. http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/ou...snewreader.htm |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question
"slotcarz" wrote in message ... Um .. Wow Bruce! I am going balls to wall (sorta I guess), - P4 HT 3 Ghz Prescott cpu, (need a new board for it) - ASRock P4V88 RAID VIA PT880 Chipset Motherboard ( cheaper but I'm sure it will work ok)(so new memory) - 512 mb DDR333 ram - new case to accomodate the new mix and heat off this bad boy.. so yes I have bought a new case.. Using from old pc - 40 GB HDD - DVD rom - DVD/RW - floppy drive - radeon 9200 video card - sound blaster card I can see that the OS locks itself but like said above, I got a piece of wire for my "hardware requirement". Maybe the seller is at fault on that one but I'm sure it wasn't enforced like it should be or pull it all off of ebay and not let it be sold as it probably was sold with a pc at some point before it got to ebay. oh well..live and learn right?? cya The hardware requirement for selling the software is completely unrelated to what the software is tied to for activation. |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question
A DVD rom cable doesn't count.
--=20 ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.microscum.com/mscommunity/ "slotcarz" wrote in message = ... Thanks for replying so fast. I can now say I really know the = difference=20 between OEM and retail. That is one thing that is not stressed at ebay = on=20 these auctions and that should be changed.=20 I unfortunatly will have to pay the price on this mistake.=20 thanks again, slotcarz =20 "Rick "Nutcase" Rogers" wrote: =20 Hi, =20 Sadly, OEM copies are generally tied to the system they are first = activated=20 on and cannot be moved to a new one. While this is not universal, = that is=20 the way it is most of the time. This restriction is one of the = reasons why=20 they are cheaper than retail versions. A new cpu and motherboard is=20 essentially a new system, and you will likely not be able to activate = it.=20 This is really a case of "you get what you pay for". =20 --=20 Best of Luck, =20 Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ Associate Expert - WindowsXP Expert Zone www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone Windows help - www.rickrogers.org =20 "slotcarz" wrote in message=20 ... I bought a OEM version of Win XP Home w/SP1 off of ebay. I received = a piece of hardware as per ebay/Microsoft regulations for the transaction. = I am building a new pc with a new cpu, motherboard, and ram, using My = old HDD, both dvd and dvd/rw drives. Can someone tell me where I stand on re-activation? As I remember, I received a cdrom cable as my = hardware with this purchase. I had to re-format and install XP Home at the end of = Jan/05 due to a problem and activation went thru no problem. I have this = feeling=20 I am screwed and have to buy another copy of XP. Is there not = anything that=20 can be done to not have to do this. I went thru the automated help to = get my 2 free requests for help but looks like they want me to pay for that = also. thanks for your time slotcarz=20 =20 =20 |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question
The OEM did not have a license to sell the OEM version of XP. Therefore =
they cannot license you as they don't have one. You cannot sell OEM with = peripherals. Therefore you were ripped off. --=20 ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.microscum.com/mscommunity/ "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message = ... slotcarz wrote: I bought a OEM version of Win XP Home w/SP1 off of ebay. I received a = piece=20 of hardware as per ebay/Microsoft regulations for the transaction. I = am=20 building a new pc with a new cpu, motherboard, and ram, using My old = HDD,=20 both dvd and dvd/rw drives. Can someone tell me where I stand on=20 re-activation? As I remember, I received a cdrom cable as my hardware = with=20 this purchase. I had to re-format and install XP Home at the end of = Jan/05=20 due to a problem and activation went thru no problem. I have this = feeling I=20 am screwed and have to buy another copy of XP. Is there not anything = that can=20 be done to not have to do this. I went thru the automated help to get = my 2=20 free requests for help but looks like they want me to pay for that = also. thanks for your time =20 slotcarz =20 =20 The operative words in you post may be "... building a new pc...." =20 However, you will also be transferring some of the hardware=20 components (something more significant than a case screw or power = cord)=20 from the old PC to the new PC. Will you also be using the same case?=20 So, your actions could possibly be construed as a hardware upgrade,=20 rather than as a "new computer." Additionally, you'll have entered a=20 grey area in the OEM EULA. =20 According to the EULA, an OEM license may not be transferred from=20 one distinct PC to another PC. However, this most emphatically does = not=20 prohibit one from repairing or upgrading the PC on which an OEM = license=20 is installed. =20 Now, some people believe that the motherboard is the key component = that defines the "original computer," but the OEM EULA does not make = any=20 such distinction. Others have said that one could successfully argue=20 that it's the PC's case that is the deciding component, as that is = where=20 one is instructed to affix the OEM CoA label w/Product Key. Again, = the=20 EULA does not specifically define any single component as the = computer. =20 Microsoft has, to date, been very careful _not_ publicly to define = when an incrementally upgraded computer ceases to be the original=20 computer. The closest I've ever seen a Microsoft employee come to = this=20 definition (in a public forum) is to tell the person making the = inquiry=20 to consult the PC's manufacturer. As the OEM license's support is=20 solely the responsibility of said manufacturer, they should determine=20 what sort of hardware changes to allow before the warranty and support = agreements are voided. To paraphrase: An incrementally upgraded=20 computer ceases to be the original computer, as pertains to the OEM=20 EULA, only when the *OEM* says it's a different computer. If you've=20 built the system yourself, and used a generic OEM CD, then _you_ are = the=20 "OEM," and _you_ get to decide when you'll no longer support your = product." =20 =20 --=20 =20 Bruce Chambers =20 Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html =20 You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on = having=20 both at once. - RAH |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question *UPDATE*
Thanks to all who posted. I have purchased a new retail version and won't
have to worry about it any longer. Now I just have to get all my hardware and putt his thing together.. My cost building my own is more than half less if I would have bought an OOB pc.. thanks again slotcarz "slotcarz" wrote: I bought a OEM version of Win XP Home w/SP1 off of ebay. I received a piece of hardware as per ebay/Microsoft regulations for the transaction. I am building a new pc with a new cpu, motherboard, and ram, using My old HDD, both dvd and dvd/rw drives. Can someone tell me where I stand on re-activation? As I remember, I received a cdrom cable as my hardware with this purchase. I had to re-format and install XP Home at the end of Jan/05 due to a problem and activation went thru no problem. I have this feeling I am screwed and have to buy another copy of XP. Is there not anything that can be done to not have to do this. I went thru the automated help to get my 2 free requests for help but looks like they want me to pay for that also. thanks for your time slotcarz |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question *UPDATE*
Rule 1. Specify your own computer. A cheap computer might be $800. You =
specify better parts and a GOOD computer may be $850. Rule 2. Get retail or genuine MS OEM disks (eg not Compaq OEM disks) = depending on your likely future use.. --=20 ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.microscum.com/mscommunity/ "slotcarz" wrote in message = ... Thanks to all who posted. I have purchased a new retail version and = won't=20 have to worry about it any longer. Now I just have to get all my hardware and putt his thing together.. = My cost=20 building my own is more than half less if I would have bought an OOB = pc.. thanks again slotcarz =20 "slotcarz" wrote: =20 I bought a OEM version of Win XP Home w/SP1 off of ebay. I received a = piece=20 of hardware as per ebay/Microsoft regulations for the transaction. I = am=20 building a new pc with a new cpu, motherboard, and ram, using My old = HDD,=20 both dvd and dvd/rw drives. Can someone tell me where I stand on=20 re-activation? As I remember, I received a cdrom cable as my hardware = with=20 this purchase. I had to re-format and install XP Home at the end of = Jan/05=20 due to a problem and activation went thru no problem. I have this = feeling I=20 am screwed and have to buy another copy of XP. Is there not anything = that can=20 be done to not have to do this. I went thru the automated help to get = my 2=20 free requests for help but looks like they want me to pay for that = also. thanks for your time =20 slotcarz |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question *UPDATE*
I think you made the right decision. It is telling that all the questions
in the newsgroup are about OEM cd's. No one has to ask about retail editions. They just work. -- Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine] (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested) "slotcarz" wrote in message ... Thanks to all who posted. I have purchased a new retail version and won't have to worry about it any longer. Now I just have to get all my hardware and putt his thing together.. My cost building my own is more than half less if I would have bought an OOB pc.. thanks again slotcarz "slotcarz" wrote: I bought a OEM version of Win XP Home w/SP1 off of ebay. I received a piece of hardware as per ebay/Microsoft regulations for the transaction. I am building a new pc with a new cpu, motherboard, and ram, using My old HDD, both dvd and dvd/rw drives. Can someone tell me where I stand on re-activation? As I remember, I received a cdrom cable as my hardware with this purchase. I had to re-format and install XP Home at the end of Jan/05 due to a problem and activation went thru no problem. I have this feeling I am screwed and have to buy another copy of XP. Is there not anything that can be done to not have to do this. I went thru the automated help to get my 2 free requests for help but looks like they want me to pay for that also. thanks for your time slotcarz |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question *UPDATE*
My OEM disks all the way back to WIN95 throught XPH and XPP just work. Colin Barnhorst wrote: | I think you made the right decision. It is telling that all the | questions in the newsgroup are about OEM cd's. No one has to ask | about retail editions. They just work. | || Thanks to all who posted. I have purchased a new retail version and || won't have to worry about it any longer. || Now I just have to get all my hardware and putt his thing together.. || My cost || building my own is more than half less if I would have bought an OOB || pc.. thanks again || slotcarz || || "slotcarz" wrote: || ||| I bought a OEM version of Win XP Home w/SP1 off of ebay. I received ||| a piece ||| of hardware as per ebay/Microsoft regulations for the transaction. ||| I am building a new pc with a new cpu, motherboard, and ram, using ||| My old HDD, both dvd and dvd/rw drives. Can someone tell me where I ||| stand on re-activation? As I remember, I received a cdrom cable as ||| my hardware with ||| this purchase. I had to re-format and install XP Home at the end of ||| Jan/05 ||| due to a problem and activation went thru no problem. I have this ||| feeling I ||| am screwed and have to buy another copy of XP. Is there not ||| anything that can ||| be done to not have to do this. I went thru the automated help to ||| get my 2 ||| free requests for help but looks like they want me to pay for that ||| also. thanks for your time ||| ||| slotcarz |
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So let me get this straight.. another activation question *UPDATE*
A real OEM disk is virtually identical to a retail disk (it just won;t =
upgrade). But most companies make their own OEM disks. And anything = goes. Some are just ghosted images. --=20 ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.microscum.com/mscommunity/ "BBUNNY" wrote in message = ... =20 My OEM disks all the way back to WIN95 throught XPH and XPP just work. =20 Colin Barnhorst wrote: | I think you made the right decision. It is telling that all the | questions in the newsgroup are about OEM cd's. No one has to ask | about retail editions. They just work. | || Thanks to all who posted. I have purchased a new retail version and || won't have to worry about it any longer. || Now I just have to get all my hardware and putt his thing = together.. || My cost || building my own is more than half less if I would have bought an = OOB || pc.. thanks again || slotcarz || || "slotcarz" wrote: || ||| I bought a OEM version of Win XP Home w/SP1 off of ebay. I = received ||| a piece ||| of hardware as per ebay/Microsoft regulations for the transaction. ||| I am building a new pc with a new cpu, motherboard, and ram, using ||| My old HDD, both dvd and dvd/rw drives. Can someone tell me where = I ||| stand on re-activation? As I remember, I received a cdrom cable as ||| my hardware with ||| this purchase. I had to re-format and install XP Home at the end = of ||| Jan/05 ||| due to a problem and activation went thru no problem. I have this ||| feeling I ||| am screwed and have to buy another copy of XP. Is there not ||| anything that can ||| be done to not have to do this. I went thru the automated help to ||| get my 2 ||| free requests for help but looks like they want me to pay for that ||| also. thanks for your time ||| ||| slotcarz =20 =20 |
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