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Mayayana wrote:
| Oh, it most certainly has been mentioned: apparently there's quite a lot | of code around that includes something like | | if versionstring.startswith("Windows 9") then ... | | which loads the version/fetches the webpage/whatever that's suitable for | 95/98. (I've seen someone ask "do they really look at strings when the | version number is accessible", only for someone else to answer "yes they | do".) I saw the same theory mentioned on Slashdot, but it seems *very* farfetched to me. +1 |
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 09:25:31 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: On 2014-10-2 18:9, Silver Slimer wrote: [] Maybe the next version is called "Windows 10" to avoid confusion with Windows 95 and 98. No one mentioned that but it's a valid assumption. Oh, it most certainly has been mentioned: See http://www.dailytech.com/Windows+9+R...ticle36656.htm |
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After serious thinking Roderick Stewart wrote :
On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:35:40 -0400, Ron wrote: I worked with about 600 people, each had at least one desktop and a laptop. The maintenance people had lots to repair every day. A very common problem was people spilling drinks on their laptop or desktop keyboard. My company wouldn't put up with that. There would be a no drink and/or food at your desk policy. Most places I've worked at had a policy like that, but nobody paid any attention. If the companies had tried to enforce it they'd have had hardly any workers left. Rod. I worked for a chemical supply company that had a no food or drink policy except for the break rooms. People paid attention because not doing so could cause a multitude of health problems. I worked there 78 years and can't remember seeing more than a half dozen violations of said policy. But that is an environment different from almost all others. -- Ed Propes |
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Caver1 expressed precisely :
On 10/02/2014 02:04 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 09:13:15 -0400, Ron wrote: On 10/2/2014 3:43 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote: On Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:32:02 -0400, "Mayayana" wrote: What does make sense to me is people who have a laptop plugged into some kind of cradle that gives them a big screen, keyboard and mouse when they're at home. But I don't see many people who do that. I suspect that those are the people who *really* need their computer for business. A laptop will only make sense to you until you drop it, or spill something on its keyboard, or somebody steals it. I've owned laptops for about 10 years and none of those things have happened. Especially *spilling* something on it. Why in the world would you spill something on a laptop or even desktop keyboard for that matter? I've owned cars for about 55 years, and an accident has never happened. Why in the world should I always wear a seatbelt when I drive? Boy you are young. Good grief, you're older than dirt. -- Ed Propes |
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On 10/6/2014 1:55 AM, Ed Propes wrote:
After serious thinking Roderick Stewart wrote : On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:35:40 -0400, Ron wrote: I worked with about 600 people, each had at least one desktop and a laptop. The maintenance people had lots to repair every day. A very common problem was people spilling drinks on their laptop or desktop keyboard. My company wouldn't put up with that. There would be a no drink and/or food at your desk policy. Most places I've worked at had a policy like that, but nobody paid any attention. If the companies had tried to enforce it they'd have had hardly any workers left. Rod. I worked for a chemical supply company that had a no food or drink policy except for the break rooms. People paid attention because not doing so could cause a multitude of health problems. I worked there 78 years and can't remember seeing more than a half dozen violations of said policy. But that is an environment different from almost all others. 78 years?????? |
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On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 02:08:31 -0400, Ron wrote:
On 10/6/2014 1:55 AM, Ed Propes wrote: After serious thinking Roderick Stewart wrote : On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:35:40 -0400, Ron wrote: I worked with about 600 people, each had at least one desktop and a laptop. The maintenance people had lots to repair every day. A very common problem was people spilling drinks on their laptop or desktop keyboard. My company wouldn't put up with that. There would be a no drink and/or food at your desk policy. Most places I've worked at had a policy like that, but nobody paid any attention. If the companies had tried to enforce it they'd have had hardly any workers left. Rod. I worked for a chemical supply company that had a no food or drink policy except for the break rooms. People paid attention because not doing so could cause a multitude of health problems. I worked there 78 years and can't remember seeing more than a half dozen violations of said policy. But that is an environment different from almost all others. 78 years?????? Not many people will be able to make the same claim. :-) I sure can't. |
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On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 01:22:10 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: I worked with about 600 people, each had at least one desktop and a laptop. The maintenance people had lots to repair every day. A very common problem was people spilling drinks on their laptop or desktop keyboard. My company wouldn't put up with that. There would be a no drink and/or food at your desk policy. Most places I've worked at had a policy like that, but nobody paid any attention. If the companies had tried to enforce it they'd have had hardly any workers left. Rod. I worked for a chemical supply company that had a no food or drink policy except for the break rooms. People paid attention because not doing so could cause a multitude of health problems. I worked there 78 years and can't remember seeing more than a half dozen violations of said policy. But that is an environment different from almost all others. 78 years?????? Not many people will be able to make the same claim. :-) I sure can't. Shows how effective that food and drink policy must have been in thwarting health problems. :-) Rod. |
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Ed Propes wrote:
After serious thinking Roderick Stewart wrote : On Thu, 02 Oct 2014 15:35:40 -0400, Ron wrote: I worked with about 600 people, each had at least one desktop and a laptop. The maintenance people had lots to repair every day. A very common problem was people spilling drinks on their laptop or desktop keyboard. My company wouldn't put up with that. There would be a no drink and/or food at your desk policy. Most places I've worked at had a policy like that, but nobody paid any attention. If the companies had tried to enforce it they'd have had hardly any workers left. Rod. I worked for a chemical supply company that had a no food or drink policy except for the break rooms. People paid attention because not doing so could cause a multitude of health problems. I worked there 78 years and can't remember seeing more than a half dozen violations of said policy. But that is an environment different from almost all others. Apparently your working career with that company predates the Fair Labor Standards act passed in 1938 that regulated age and hours of work for children. If you worked for them that long you must be retired for at least a few years too. Just guessing but if you started at age 10 yrs old, worked 78 years, retired 5 yrs ago you'd be 93. If you started at 16 you'll soon be 100 and possibly the oldest person on Usenet! -- ....winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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In the last episode of , Ron
said: My company wouldn't put up with that. There would be a no drink and/or food at your desk policy. I suspect you'd quickly find that buying new keyboards periodically is cheaper than hiring replacement employees unless you're in an industry that has extremely high turnover to begin with, or has other industry or health reasons why people can't have food or drink at their workstation. Replacing an employee is expensive, between interviewing, training and the associated HR costs, $1000 is a low ballpark. $1000 buys you a lot of keyboards. -- Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves. |
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On 10/04/2014 06:01 PM, Neil wrote:
On 10/4/2014 11:13 AM, Caver1 wrote: On 10/04/2014 10:54 AM, Neil Gould wrote: Caver1 wrote: On 10/01/2014 09:27 PM, Ron wrote: On 10/1/2014 10:35 AM, Ken Springer wrote: On 10/1/14 7:31 AM, Don Phillipson wrote: "John Doe" wrote in message ... "Don Phillipson" wrote: "John Doe" wrote Microsoft needs to stop trying to harness the ultraportable PC business and start innovating in the desktop PC business. Retailers do not nowadays sell enough new desktops to constitute a market big enough to attract MS. From what I can see, looks like they sell approximately the same number as always. All local indicators suggest laptops far outsell desktops nowadays (not to mention also tablets.) Just a thought on my part, but with the increasing size and power of laptops, perhaps laptops and desktops should be lumped together for a conversation like this. And to me, the Surface seems to be moving towards being more of a laptop than a tablet. MS is really pushing the Surface. It has been used on Hawaii Five-0 for the past 3 seasons. It's being used on another TV that I watch but can't recall which one. There were ad banners for it in one of the NFL games I watched this past weekend. And last week NASCAR announced they were going to start using them for their inspection process. MS has lost nearly $2 billion on the Surface since it has been on the market. MS is hoping to turn that loss into aleast a break even. Perhaps their vision is larger than that. The Surface introduced the idea of a Windows-based tablet that offered features beyond those available from iStuff and Androids. Now, Windows-based tablets are coming onto the market at very low prices, for example the Winbooks that run from $99 for a 7" basic tablet to $199 for a 10" full version. Something had to kick-start that market, and since MS' main business is the software, once could see the investment in the Surface as a marketing expense that will be recouped by the sales of other products running Windows OS and software. Just like MS to sell at a loss to try to capture the market. Don't think it will work this time. My daughter paid $219 for a 10" Asus Android tablet. $199-$219 not a big difference. She does her office work, manipulates images and more with it without unlocking. Unlock it and you can install anything you want and have complete control. Can't unlock Windows and have control. The number of Windows users that have ever wanted to "unlock" the OS is not worth caring about. For most Windows users the primary requirement for those users is that they can get work done efficiently. Managing an "unlocked" system is contrary to that requirement. I do believe that unlock was in reference to Android not Windows. How is a system that you have control of contrary to getting work done efficiently? All Linux Users have control of their systems and have no problem working efficiently. Most Windows users don't have the capability to manage the systems that they use. Not giving control of the system is MS's way of controlling their customers. Although there are apps that have some of the functionality of MS Office, I've not seen one that is a true competitor in any sense. The time wasted trying to execute the same tasks that users have done for years if not decades in MS Office drives them back to that suite in short order. There are a couple. Then again most users don't need the total functionality of MSOffice. Business or personal. In short, MS doesn't have to "capture market", they just don't have to lose a lot of what they already have, and that isn't as big a task as it might seem. Remember, MS is a primarily software company. MS is starting to lose portions in large chunks. The mobile market is a long way from MS's capture. Being that users usually stick with what they first use MS will never capture it. -- Caver1 |
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On 10/05/2014 09:37 AM, Mayayana wrote:
| Oh, it most certainly has been mentioned: apparently there's quite a lot | of code around that includes something like | | if versionstring.startswith("Windows 9") then ... | | which loads the version/fetches the webpage/whatever that's suitable for | 95/98. (I've seen someone ask "do they really look at strings when the | version number is accessible", only for someone else to answer "yes they | do".) I saw the same theory mentioned on Slashdot, but it seems *very* farfetched to me. First, it's unlikely that anything running on Win10 would also run on Win9x. Second, it wasn't Win9x in the first place as far as version numbers go. Platform 1: Win95 v. 4.0 Win98 v. 4.1 WinME v. 4.9 Platform 2: Win2000 v. 5.0 XP v. 5.1 Vista v. 6.0 Win7 v. 6.1 Win8 v. 6.3 When software checks the Windows version it generally uses a method that returns those numbers. Win95 and Win98 were not versions. They were just brand names. In the same way, checking WinME returns 4.9, not "Millennium". The .Net docs are he http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...=vs.85%29.aspx The Win32 API used by non.Net software offers GetVersionEx to return the same numbers. GetVersionEx returns lots of things, but a string version of the OS name isn't one of them. Platform check isn't necessary anymore because it's all NT and has been since 2001. There was never a Windows version that returned "9" as the major version number. In fact, Microsoft have screwed things up themselves far more than numbers could. Starting with Vista they brought in "virtualization". If software is set for XP compatibility Vista/7 will tell the running software that it's running on XP. (It returns v. 5 when it should return v. 6.) But it's not running on XP! There's a difference and it matters. I had to redesign my version checks when Vista came out so that I could find the *real* version my software was running on. There may be a way to return a brand string, from the Registry or some such, but software doesn't do anything like that. It would only be used for something like a system info program, to display official looking info about the system. I find it interesting that no one knows why MS picked 10 instead of 9. That seems to indicate that they didn't have a good reason other than to compete with Apple or simply because it seemed more impressive. Another popular theory is that it's 10 to show how different the new version is. But it's not different. And anyway, the method they've always used to show that the new Windows version is very different from the last is to increase the major version number by 1. The internal version of Win10 may very well end up being something like 6.4. A very different version might be 7.0. Either way, it's not 9 or 10. From what they did say at the news conference MS wanted a fresh start. They wanted to use Windows 1 but that was already used by Bill Gates so they choose Windows 10. It also gives more separation from 8. -- Caver1 |
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On 14-10-06 04:56 PM, Caver1 wrote:
The number of Windows users that have ever wanted to "unlock" the OS is not worth caring about. For most Windows users the primary requirement for those users is that they can get work done efficiently. Managing an "unlocked" system is contrary to that requirement. I do believe that unlock was in reference to Android not Windows. How is a system that you have control of contrary to getting work done efficiently? All Linux Users have control of their systems and have no problem working efficiently. Most Windows users don't have the capability to manage the systems that they use. Not giving control of the system is MS's way of controlling their customers. And how exactly does Microsoft not allow a user to manage his own system? I'm very curious. Although there are apps that have some of the functionality of MS Office, I've not seen one that is a true competitor in any sense. The time wasted trying to execute the same tasks that users have done for years if not decades in MS Office drives them back to that suite in short order. There are a couple. Then again most users don't need the total functionality of MSOffice. Business or personal. Agreed. In short, MS doesn't have to "capture market", they just don't have to lose a lot of what they already have, and that isn't as big a task as it might seem. Remember, MS is a primarily software company. MS is starting to lose portions in large chunks. The mobile market is a long way from MS's capture. Being that users usually stick with what they first use MS will never capture it. Microsoft was NEVER close to capturing the mobile market though. Even though they have the resources to innovate in any field they touch, they're more of a me-too company rather than a creative one. -- Silver Slimer OpenMedia Supporter Help control the parasite population, have your GNU/Linux advocate spayed or neutered. |
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On 10/6/2014 4:35 PM, DevilsPGD wrote:
In the last episode of , Ron said: My company wouldn't put up with that. There would be a no drink and/or food at your desk policy. I suspect you'd quickly find that buying new keyboards periodically is cheaper than hiring replacement employees unless you're in an industry that has extremely high turnover to begin with, or has other industry or health reasons why people can't have food or drink at their workstation. Replacing an employee is expensive, between interviewing, training and the associated HR costs, $1000 is a low ballpark. $1000 buys you a lot of keyboards. Do you seriously think people would quit a well paying job over a no drink policy? You do know that some companies already have such a policy? |
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In the last episode of , Silver Slimer
said: Microsoft was NEVER close to capturing the mobile market though. Even though they have the resources to innovate in any field they touch, they're more of a me-too company rather than a creative one. While true, they did have a reasonable percentage of the market in the Windows Mobile 6 era. It's gone, for a number of good reasons, none of which resolve around the state of Windows Phone 8 (which is actually awesome, but likely not destined to challenge anyone) -- You're so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece. |
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In the last episode of , Ron
said: On 10/6/2014 4:35 PM, DevilsPGD wrote: In the last episode of , Ron said: My company wouldn't put up with that. There would be a no drink and/or food at your desk policy. I suspect you'd quickly find that buying new keyboards periodically is cheaper than hiring replacement employees unless you're in an industry that has extremely high turnover to begin with, or has other industry or health reasons why people can't have food or drink at their workstation. Replacing an employee is expensive, between interviewing, training and the associated HR costs, $1000 is a low ballpark. $1000 buys you a lot of keyboards. Do you seriously think people would quit a well paying job over a no drink policy? You do know that some companies already have such a policy? Yes, at least if you're in a market where you can find another equally well paying job which not only allows you to be comfortable at your desk, but has a custom coffee machine on-site. Companies that place the value of trivially replaceable equipment over employee happiness and satisfaction will rarely attract or be able to retain the more skilled employees. Your mileage will vary, but this is the case in most IT, and in my experience, in most firms where skill is valued and staff is not trivially replaceable -- If you make working difficult or uncomfortable, you'd better be prepared to back it with substantially above-market salaries or competent staff will move elsewhere and you'll be left only with those unable to muster up the motivation to move, or those incapable of finding employment elsewhere. -- You're so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece. |
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