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Old August 19th 15, 06:23 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston[_2_]
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ceg wrote on 08/18/2015 11:34 PM:
On WinXP SP3, I used the Firefox browser to download the Windows 10
ISO (64-bit) and am downloading it as we speak.

When I burn the ISO to DVD media using ImgBurn on Windows XP, do
I need to do anything special to make it a bootable DVD?

I'm going to use that ISO to update a Windows 8.1 laptop next
week and a Windows 7 laptop.



MSFT provides for free the Windows 10 Media Creation tool which can
create Win10 installation media in USB/DVD format.

When setup.exe on that USB/DVD media is run from within the qualifying
o/s, the media can be used to upgrade a qualifying o/s (Win7Sp1 or
Win8.0/8.1).

The Win10 media does have to be created consistent with the same vintage
(same language, edition and architecture) as the qualifying o/s....if
not the upgrade installation will fail.


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Old August 19th 15, 08:54 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)

On 19/08/2015 06:23, . . .winston wrote:
ceg wrote on 08/18/2015 11:34 PM:
On WinXP SP3, I used the Firefox browser to download the Windows 10
ISO (64-bit) and am downloading it as we speak.

When I burn the ISO to DVD media using ImgBurn on Windows XP, do
I need to do anything special to make it a bootable DVD?

I'm going to use that ISO to update a Windows 8.1 laptop next
week and a Windows 7 laptop.



MSFT provides for free the Windows 10 Media Creation tool which can
create Win10 installation media in USB/DVD format.

When setup.exe on that USB/DVD media is run from within the qualifying
o/s, the media can be used to upgrade a qualifying o/s (Win7Sp1 or
Win8.0/8.1).

The Win10 media does have to be created consistent with the same vintage
(same language, edition and architecture) as the qualifying o/s....if
not the upgrade installation will fail.



Burning the ISO with ImgBurn will create a bootable DVD okay.

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Old August 19th 15, 03:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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ceg wrote on 08/19/2015 10:01 AM:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:54:31 +0100, Brian Gregory wrote:

Burning the ISO with ImgBurn will create a bootable DVD okay.


I was confused by this "installation tool" from he

Installing Windows 10 using the media creation tool
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...n-tool-install

It "implies" we need a "media creation tool"; but they're giving us
an ISO, so, why would we need this "media creation tool" then?

The MCT doesn't need a third party utility to create Win10 usb/dvd media.
- i.e. the tool is dual, downloads the bits and creates the media.

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Old August 19th 15, 04:00 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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ceg wrote on 08/19/2015 10:44 AM:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:09:45 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

The MCT doesn't need a third party utility to create Win10 usb/dvd media.
- i.e. the tool is dual, downloads the bits and creates the media.


Oh. I think I understand now. Does that mean that the Media Creation Tool
is just a DVD burner that puts the ISO on a dvd disc (just like what
ImgBurn does)?


The MCT is a tool (a *.exe file when run) that provides the ability to
download the Win10 media and initiate the upgrade of a qualifying o/s to
Win10 or create stand-alone media usb/dvd that can be used to upgrade a
qualifying o/s at a later point in time.

Once a device is upgraded to Windows 10, that same created MCT media
(Usb/dvd) can then also be used to perform a clean install of Windows 10
on that same Win 10 device.



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Old August 19th 15, 05:55 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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ceg wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:00:34 -0400, . . .winston wrote:

The MCT is a tool (a *.exe file when run) that provides the ability to
download the Win10 media and initiate the upgrade of a qualifying o/s to
Win10 or create stand-alone media usb/dvd that can be used to upgrade a
qualifying o/s at a later point in time.

Once a device is upgraded to Windows 10, that same created MCT media
(Usb/dvd) can then also be used to perform a clean install of Windows 10
on that same Win 10 device.


Thanks for your patience, as the MCT tool seems to be superfluous since
MS already supplies an ISO, which is all you really ever need.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...n-tool-install

I have directly downloaded both the Win10 32-bit & 64-bit ISO files from:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO

Here are the downloaded file names and sizes, if anyone needs them:
32-bit Win10 ISO, filename=Win10_English_x32.iso, filesize=2,298,314KB
64-bit Win10 ISO, filename=Win10_English_x64.iso, filesize=3,988,138KB


Your x32 one is corrupt. It's too small.

Load those up and test them, before declaring "success".

I received two corrupted downloads, this is how I know
there is a probability of corruption. Test your images
thoroughly.

When I tried to "view" my corrupt ISOs, I got a complaint
they didn't use a recognized standard. There was no other
warning the images were bad.

Paul
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Old August 19th 15, 06:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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En el artículo , ceg
escribió:

Thanks for your patience, as the MCT tool seems to be superfluous since
MS already supplies an ISO, which is all you really ever need.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...n-tool-install


I'm not sure, but think you need to use the Media Creation tool to get
the free upgrade. I don't think downloading the ISOs alone then using
them to upgrade an existing WIn7 or 8 system will get you Win10 for
free, but could be wrong.

The webpages you link to are (as usual for M$) somewhat ambiguous.

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Old August 19th 15, 06:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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En el artículo , ceg
escribió:

Does Microsoft provide a checksum?


They don't seem to. I wish they did, just about everyone else does.

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Old August 19th 15, 07:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Mike Tomlinson wrote on 08/19/2015 1:05 PM:
En el artÃ*culo , ceg
escribió:

Thanks for your patience, as the MCT tool seems to be superfluous since
MS already supplies an ISO, which is all you really ever need.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...n-tool-install


I'm not sure, but think you need to use the Media Creation tool to get
the free upgrade. I don't think downloading the ISOs alone then using
them to upgrade an existing WIn7 or 8 system will get you Win10 for
free, but could be wrong.

The webpages you link to are (as usual for M$) somewhat ambiguous.

The MCT is not necessary to get the Win10 free upgrade, it just an
alternate option in lieu of using Windows Update on a qualifying o/s.

When accessing the MCT download url...if not using a qualifying o/s or
non-supported browser the page provides the iso files. If using a
qualifying o/s the page provides the MCT for creating usb/dvd media.

The iso files (are intended to be mounted) in a qualifying o/s, though
optionally one can use third party ware to create media. The MCT when
created media (usb/dvd) also verifies the integrity of the creation
which may not occur when creating media using 3rd party tools.

I.e. MSFT is providing the tool with the expectation that Win7/8x users
will use it to download the MCT executable and create usb or dvd media
for use within a qualifying system.

The other route, redirecting to the iso is for non-qualifying o/s (i.e.
capable hardware that meet Win10 but require the purchase of a retail
product to clean install and activate Win10)


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Old August 19th 15, 07:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , ceg
escribió:

Does Microsoft provide a checksum?


They don't seem to. I wish they did, just about everyone else does.


They can't. The encryption on the payload is
custom on each download. Even if the same
customer downloads the same object twice,
the checksum is not the same.

I learned about this, with my first Win8 downloads,
when buying my copy of Win8 for $39.95. I downloaded
the file twice, and the hashes I generated were
not the same. Since encryption is still being used
on Win10 delivery, I see no reason for this
behavior to have changed.

If you Torrent an MSDN subscription Win10 installer
DVD, *that* has a consistent checksum.

Paul
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Old August 22nd 15, 12:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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En el artículo , Paul
escribió:

They can't. The encryption on the payload is
custom on each download. Even if the same
customer downloads the same object twice,
the checksum is not the same.


Incorrect. As has been shown in another thread, Curt and I separately
downloaded the ISO and the checksum/hash that we independently created
is the same, meaning we have the *exact* same ISO image.

I can't speak for the one created by the Media Creation Tool, though.

Since encryption is still being used
on Win10 delivery,


What is your evidence that the download is encrypted? It's time
limited, sure, and a unique ID is created for each download, but that
doesn't mean it is encrypted.

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Old August 22nd 15, 03:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Paul
escribió:

They can't. The encryption on the payload is
custom on each download. Even if the same
customer downloads the same object twice,
the checksum is not the same.


Incorrect. As has been shown in another thread, Curt and I separately
downloaded the ISO and the checksum/hash that we independently created
is the same, meaning we have the *exact* same ISO image.

I can't speak for the one created by the Media Creation Tool, though.

Since encryption is still being used
on Win10 delivery,


What is your evidence that the download is encrypted? It's time
limited, sure, and a unique ID is created for each download, but that
doesn't mean it is encrypted.


There are two kinds of containers in usage.

install.esd (encrypted)
install.wim (not encrypted)

The C:\$WINDOWS.~BT folder happens to have both
items in it. Implying the process of populating
that folder, involved install.esd on download,
and install.wim was converted from install.esd.

When an ISO9660 is either made, or downloaded,
it all depends on what is inside it. If an ISO9660
contains install.esd, then the checksum of the
disc is different for each one.

If the ISO9660 contains install.wim, then the checksum
should be reproducible from disc to disc.

On Windows 8, if you paid $39.95 and downloaded
the disc from the Microsoft Store, then the disc
contained install.esd. I downloaded the same
DVD twice, using the same customer identifier
from the purchase, and the checksum on the
two discs were different (and both discs worked).

I can tell you what to look for, but I can't
predict what Microsoft is going to do. The MSDN
subscription DVD uses an install.wim, and there
is nothing to identify who downloaded it. For
any other disc, where you download directly
from Microsoft, only Microsoft knows, in their
own tiny minds, why the disc should use an install.esd
versus an install.wim. As both work at installation
time, and the installer knows how to unpack both.
Because they're basically both laid out as WIM
files, but one is encrypted.

And the design of the ESD has changed slightly,
in that at one time, the key was in text (XML
formatting) right near the end of the file.
The third-party decryptor (RSA2 CBC mode) used
to extract the text string from the end of the
file, to attempt to decrypt the file. But since
that tool appeared, Microsoft removed the string
at the end of the file. And during Win10 preview,
the key was changed a couple of times. (The
person who designed the decryptor, tried
to keep the default key value inside the tool,
for easy usage.)

I think DISM may have some way of dealing with
these files, so it's probably not an issue for
someone using ADK. The ADK for Win10 was not
available when I wanted a copy, but the beta
of the Win10 ADK was being worked on during
the Win10 Preview era. So maybe you can remaster
discs now if you want.

For an end user, why this is important, is if
you need a single file, like bootsect.exe for
some reason. If you have media with install.esd,
then it's not immediately apparent how you get
something out of there. That's why it matters
to an end user.

The 7ZIP program, used to be able to read
install.wim, but with the delivery of Win10,
that capability has stopped working. So even
the WIM format has been changed in some subtle
way. All it would take, is another code point
declaration, to throw off 7ZIP.

As for the question about how you verify the DVD
you've made is good, I couldn't find *anything*
on the disc that would seem to have verification
capability. Maybe it would be DISM or similar,
which can do that. But there didn't appear to be
a program in the installer DVD for verifying the
manifest. Since the installer doesn't seem to
checksum the entire thing it works with, one
would assume each file has a check at install
time (as many of the files are signed, and the
signing could be checked). If you got one
of the truncated downloads like I got, I don't
know how you would know your downloaded file
was bad, short of trying to use it. I got
a complaint about the ISO format, and that
was my first hint it wasn't complete.

Paul
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Old August 23rd 15, 08:36 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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En el artículo , ceg
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http://i.imgur.com/N62Hgfp.jpg


I like the bit of paper stuck over the webcam. A very sensible
precaution given that you sign all rights to privacy over to M$ when you
install Win10. Don't forget to do the same with the microphone.

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Old August 23rd 15, 03:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 06:16:02 +0000 (UTC), ceg
wrote:

So, I can answer my original question, which is that all you need is the
DVD ISO and nothing else (other than a "qualifying" operating system).

I guess the DVD won't work for anyone else after a year...


For free upgrades? No, but I would expect it to work just fine for cases
where a person has purchased a key.

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Old August 24th 15, 01:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8
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ceg wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 08:36:38 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:


I like the bit of paper stuck over the webcam. A very sensible
precaution given that you sign all rights to privacy over to M$ when you
install Win10. Don't forget to do the same with the microphone.


I don't know how to protect the microphone.
A bit of paper won't work.
How do you protect the mic?


The webcam is a module in the LCD panel section.
It can be unplugged if you want. But it means
disassembly work.

On some laptops, the LCD module even differs
over the production run. For cheap laptop webcams,
they may have more than one module they can plug
in, and fill the "hole" in the bezel. The webcam
in my laptop works so poorly, that's the only
function the webcam serves, is filling that hole.

Hackers have discovered how to run webcams, without
the indicator light (if present) coming on. So you
cannot even rely on the LED indicator as a means
of determining when you're being spied on.

Paul
 




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