Newsgroups, Windows live mail

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:09:34 -0500, "Tom Lake"
wrote:

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
et...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me. I can read newsgroup messages, post to newsgroups
and have my replies automatically be put at the bottom of a message. That's
all I require in a newsreader. WLM can also combine binary files that are
posted
in pieces although I don't use that facility too often. What features do
other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L

Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.

--

Char Jackson

Char Jackson wrote:


Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.


WLM does not add a "" for quoted text? That's a major "whoops",
if so!

Alias wrote:

On 01/23/2011 10:56 PM, Lewis wrote:
You can still access newsgroups and post with WLM, but you will ****
over every person in whatever newsgroup you post to since WLM is
severely broken and cannot post properly. MSFT has know about this issue
and has made no moves towards fixing it.

I think it was done on purpose to try and persuade users to leave Usenet
and go to web based, moderated forums.

I think they may find that Usenetters won't give up that easily. I can
think of a few that would change O/S rather than give in to Microsoft's
attempts at total domination and switch to their forums.
--
Very funny Scotty - now beam down my clothes.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 02:10:10 -0600, G. Morgan wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:


Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.


WLM does not add a "" for quoted text? That's a major "whoops",
if so!

It's so, alright, but it's not the only thing broken in WLM 15.

--

Char Jackson

On 23/01/2011 20:44, Weasel wrote:
I didn't listen and installed that piece of crap and
tried to remove it. Had to end up reinstalling my Win 7 and all the
applications.

EH? I've uninstalled WLM v15, re-installed and uninstalled again on W7
HP perfectly OK without having to do all that...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:48:00 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 12:40:44 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, they didn't suddenly decide to screw up
Windows Live Mail. Windows Live Mail started out screwed up from the
very beginning. I never liked it.


True, but they do seem to be pessimizing it. :-)


Making it worse? Yes, I agree.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:10:46 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 23 Jan 2011, Ken Blake wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

As far as I'm concerned, they didn't suddenly decide to screw up
Windows Live Mail. Windows Live Mail started out screwed up from
the very beginning. I never liked it.

WLM (previous to this latest cock-up) seemed to me to be about as good
or bad as WM or Outlook Express. I never used any of them regularly, so
I could easily have missed some of OE's hidden charms.



I can't talk about Windows Mail, since I hardly used it at all, but as
far as I'm concerned, Windows Live Mail is (and even was) *much* worse
than Outlook Express.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:34:38 -0600, "Weasel"
wrote:

When I unstalled WLM 2011 the 2009 version was gone. I downloaded the 2009
version and everytime I tried to install it I got a message saying I already
had a newer version and would end.


So, rather than find out what your problem was, and fix it (see
Relic's reply), you took the extreme step of reinstalling Windows, and
all the work that involves. That's like replacing your car because it
got a flat tire.





"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:44:29 -0600, "Weasel"
wrote:

You got that right. I didn't listen and installed that piece of crap and
tried to remove it. Had to end up reinstalling my Win 7 and all the
applications.



Why did you have to do that? That was a lot of work, for almost no
benefit. Yes, it's worse than the older version, but the older version
wasn't much good either. You could have left it there and just not
used it. There are many better choices you could have used instead.



"Clogwog" wrote in message
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"Alex Clayton" schreef in bericht
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"Jim" wrote in message
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It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer provide
or
facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service
for
newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on Thunderbird,
but
not on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)


Snip
Jim

So who told you this?
I am using Win.7 and WLM and it is working just great.

Since you run Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726, yes it does.
If you upgrade to WLM 2011, it's going to be a mess!

I uninstalled anything to do with Windows Live. I even went thru the
registry and deleted all the entries for Windows Live. I tried everyday for
over a week before deciding to reinstall windows from scratch.
I was a programmer for 35 years. I do know how to do stuff manually with
windows and tried everything I could think of. Finally gave up.

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:34:38 -0600, "Weasel"
wrote:

When I unstalled WLM 2011 the 2009 version was gone. I downloaded the
2009
version and everytime I tried to install it I got a message saying I
already
had a newer version and would end.


So, rather than find out what your problem was, and fix it (see
Relic's reply), you took the extreme step of reinstalling Windows, and
all the work that involves. That's like replacing your car because it
got a flat tire.





"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:44:29 -0600, "Weasel"
wrote:

You got that right. I didn't listen and installed that piece of crap
and
tried to remove it. Had to end up reinstalling my Win 7 and all the
applications.



Why did you have to do that? That was a lot of work, for almost no
benefit. Yes, it's worse than the older version, but the older version
wasn't much good either. You could have left it there and just not
used it. There are many better choices you could have used instead.



"Clogwog" wrote in message
...
"Alex Clayton" schreef in bericht
...
"Jim" wrote in message
...
It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer
provide
or
facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service
for
newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on Thunderbird,
but
not on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)


Snip
Jim

So who told you this?
I am using Win.7 and WLM and it is working just great.

Since you run Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726, yes it
does.
If you upgrade to WLM 2011, it's going to be a mess!

"Tom Lake" wrote in message
...
"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me. I can read newsgroup messages, post to newsgroups
and have my replies automatically be put at the bottom of a message.
That's
all I require in a newsreader. WLM can also combine binary files that are
posted
in pieces although I don't use that facility too often. What features do
other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L

Look at your quoting. WLM does NOT work fine for you.

"Weasel" wrote in message
...
I uninstalled anything to do with Windows Live. I even went thru the
registry and deleted all the entries for Windows Live. I tried everyday
for over a week before deciding to reinstall windows from scratch.
I was a programmer for 35 years. I do know how to do stuff manually with
windows and tried everything I could think of. Finally gave up.

You must have had another problem. Removing all of Windows Live works for
everyone else.

In your case, you may have done the only thing possible to rid yourself of
WLM 2011. I think it was worth it. :-)

WLM 2009 works fine for me and I sure won't upgrade again.

"relic" wrote in message
...

"Weasel" wrote in message
...
I uninstalled anything to do with Windows Live. I even went thru the
registry and deleted all the entries for Windows Live. I tried everyday
for over a week before deciding to reinstall windows from scratch.
I was a programmer for 35 years. I do know how to do stuff manually with
windows and tried everything I could think of. Finally gave up.

You must have had another problem. Removing all of Windows Live works for
everyone else.

In your case, you may have done the only thing possible to rid yourself of
WLM 2011. I think it was worth it. :-)

On 24 Jan 2011, Ken Blake wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

I can't talk about Windows Mail, since I hardly used it at all,
but as far as I'm concerned, Windows Live Mail is (and even was)
*much* worse than Outlook Express.

How so? Like I said, I never got into OE much, but in my limited
experience, Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail look pretty much like
OE, and seemed to operate in similar ways.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:09:03 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 24 Jan 2011, Ken Blake wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

I can't talk about Windows Mail, since I hardly used it at all,
but as far as I'm concerned, Windows Live Mail is (and even was)
*much* worse than Outlook Express.

How so? Like I said, I never got into OE much, but in my limited
experience, Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail look pretty much like
OE, and seemed to operate in similar ways.



Yes, similar--but not identical. As I've said many times, I consider
Windows Mail to just be a new version of Outlook Express with a
different name, and Windows Live Mail to be a still newer version with
a different name.

But regarding in what ways I found Windows Live Mail to be much worse
than Outlook Express, I wish I could be specific, but I can't. It's
been too long since I tried it for me to remember the details.

On 1/23/2011 7:24 PM, Alex Clayton wrote:
"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...
On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.




I started in with Usenet with Web-TV. I started with a computer with a
Win.ME, then XP, Vista, and now W-7. I tried OE at first since it came
with the PC. Tired it for E-Mail but never liked it as much as web based
E-mail, so I just have stuck with Yahoo.
I tried T-Bird twice. first time was long ago because so many people
said everything was better than OE. I could not get it to work so I gave
up since to me OE seemed to be working fine.
I then tried it again with Vista because for a while MS had screwed up
WM so it would not work with Usenet. As usual MS was claiming nothing
was wrong on their end. I again could not get T-Bird to work with my
news feed but before trying to find out why someone suggested a free
news feed that is called Eternal September now, it was something else
then. It worked with the WM for some reason, so again I gave up on T-Bird.
When W-7 came along I loaded WLM and it was close enough to OE and WM as
far as a news reader that I could figure it out fast so stuck with it.



Thanks to all for the information. I suppose that I can stay with TB
for newsgroup access, although I don't like it for email.

The problem arose when I bought a new PC with Windows 7, downloaded
Yahoo mail, and found that it no longer provided access to newsgroups,
as far as I can tell. (Same with Windows live mail.) Regarding the
programs such as Gravity specifically intended for newsgroups, what's
the advantage of such a program over what I have now?

Jim