Newsgroups, Windows live mail

On 24 Jan 2011, Jim wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Thanks to all for the information. I suppose that I can stay with
TB for newsgroup access, although I don't like it for email.

Most people seem to like Thunderbird's email component better than its
newsgroup part.

The problem arose when I bought a new PC with Windows 7,
downloaded Yahoo mail, and found that it no longer provided access
to newsgroups, as far as I can tell. (Same with Windows live
mail.)

You're wrong about Windows Live Mail. It does do newsgroups (but
badly.)

Regarding the programs such as Gravity specifically
intended for newsgroups, what's the advantage of such a program
over what I have now?

Most dedicated newsreaders have much stronger filtering features than
do OE, WLM, and TBird.

I think Gravity is a good reader for offline use (like, if you are
dial-up) because you can tag article headers, then go online and
retrieve all the bodies at once. I even paid for a license when it was
still a commercial product. However, I don't like it in general because
it has no capability for archiving messages to folders.

On 1/24/2011 5:43 PM, Lewis wrote:
In
wrote:
Thanks to all for the information. I suppose that I can stay with TB
for newsgroup access, although I don't like it for email.

I don't like it for either news or email. If I read news on a Windows
machine I'd install slrn.exe and notepad++ (or gvim, but I don't
recommend gvim to others)

The problem arose when I bought a new PC with Windows 7, downloaded
Yahoo mail, and found that it no longer provided access to newsgroups,
as far as I can tell. (Same with Windows live mail.) Regarding the
programs such as Gravity specifically intended for newsgroups, what's
the advantage of such a program over what I have now?

Thunderbird works, but I find it pretty annoying. It's been awhile since
I last used it (it was when 3.0 came out, iirc) and so I can't remember
specifically, but one thing that annoyed me was how it handled
.signature files


Folks, I have a stupid question. - After going to this newsgroup via
Thunderbird, I now find that I can't get back to Thunderbird. When I
click on the icon for TB, I can only get to this newsgroup. (So, I can't
see the accumulating mail on TB, and can't get to the list of other
newsgroups.) - I must have clicked on something I shouldn't have, but i
can't seem to resolve the problem. Does anyone have suggestions?

Jim

"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:09:34 -0500, "Tom Lake"
wrote:

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
et...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me. I can read newsgroup messages, post to newsgroups
and have my replies automatically be put at the bottom of a message.
That's
all I require in a newsreader. WLM can also combine binary files that are
posted
in pieces although I don't use that facility too often. What features do
other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L

Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.

Stan's post has two greater than symbols, my reply has one.

Tom L

On 24 Jan 2011, "Tom Lake" wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:09:34 -0500, "Tom Lake"
wrote:

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
. net...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess
if I get another computer or have to format one I will have to
learn to use something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't
imagine why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail
program that incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better
off to install a program that is intended to do newsgroups. My
own personal favorite is Gravity, but there are plenty of other
choices that are superior to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me. I can read newsgroup messages, post to
newsgroups and have my replies automatically be put at the bottom
of a message. That's
all I require in a newsreader. WLM can also combine binary files
that are posted
in pieces although I don't use that facility too often. What
features do other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L

Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they
came from the same person? That's just one of the things that's
completely broken in the newsreader you're using.

Stan's post has two greater than symbols, my reply has one.

No it doesn't. In the message you replied to, Alex Clayton's reply had
two greater-thans. Your reply didn't add any, so both yours and Char's
replies are indistinguishable.

Your newsreader is making a mess of this thread.

Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:09:03 -0500, Nil
wrote:

On 24 Jan 2011, Ken Blake wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

I can't talk about Windows Mail, since I hardly used it at all,
but as far as I'm concerned, Windows Live Mail is (and even was)
*much* worse than Outlook Express.
How so? Like I said, I never got into OE much, but in my limited
experience, Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail look pretty much like
OE, and seemed to operate in similar ways.



Yes, similar--but not identical. As I've said many times, I consider
Windows Mail to just be a new version of Outlook Express with a
different name, and Windows Live Mail to be a still newer version with
a different name.

But regarding in what ways I found Windows Live Mail to be much worse
than Outlook Express, I wish I could be specific, but I can't. It's
been too long since I tried it for me to remember the details.

Now the situation is getting quite confusing.
The only reason I'm reading this newsgroup is because I'm considering
getting a win7 PC.
I can learn a lot from newsgroups about problems.
So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?

On this old Sun Box, and getting long in the tooth, I'm getting little
support from Oracle since Sun sold out.
No more updates... nothing. So I'm looking to ditch this box.


--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:00:48 -0700, GreyCloud
wrote:

So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?

No, there is no standard email client in Win 7. Some vendors include
Windows Live Mail, but in that case it's the vendor doing it, not
Microsoft. As always, you're free to use any email client you'd like
to use.

--

Char Jackson

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:56:39 -0500, "Tom Lake"
wrote:

"Char Jackson" wrote in message
.. .

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:09:34 -0500, "Tom Lake"
wrote:

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
. net...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me. I can read newsgroup messages, post to newsgroups
and have my replies automatically be put at the bottom of a message.
That's
all I require in a newsreader. WLM can also combine binary files that are
posted
in pieces although I don't use that facility too often. What features do
other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L

Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.

Stan's post has two greater than symbols, my reply has one.

Tom L

As Nil pointed out, you're wrong. The greater than symbols you refer
to were there before. Your client added none, just like it added none
in your latest reply, so your latest comments and my previous comments
are all run together on the same level. Do you not see this??

--

Char Jackson

Jim wrote:
On 1/24/2011 5:43 PM, Lewis wrote:
In
wrote:
Thanks to all for the information. I suppose that I can stay with TB
for newsgroup access, although I don't like it for email.

I don't like it for either news or email. If I read news on a Windows
machine I'd install slrn.exe and notepad++ (or gvim, but I don't
recommend gvim to others)

The problem arose when I bought a new PC with Windows 7, downloaded
Yahoo mail, and found that it no longer provided access to newsgroups,
as far as I can tell. (Same with Windows live mail.) Regarding the
programs such as Gravity specifically intended for newsgroups, what's
the advantage of such a program over what I have now?

Thunderbird works, but I find it pretty annoying. It's been awhile since
I last used it (it was when 3.0 came out, iirc) and so I can't remember
specifically, but one thing that annoyed me was how it handled
.signature files


Folks, I have a stupid question. - After going to this newsgroup via
Thunderbird, I now find that I can't get back to Thunderbird. When I
click on the icon for TB, I can only get to this newsgroup. (So, I can't
see the accumulating mail on TB, and can't get to the list of other
newsgroups.) - I must have clicked on something I shouldn't have, but i
can't seem to resolve the problem. Does anyone have suggestions?


I'm using version 2.0.
On my version there is on the side "all folders".
I have a news folder and an inbox folder.
Best bet tho is to go back to their website and download the latest
version. I think
it is version 3.2 or 3.3. It should copy over all of the older settings
and files.


--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

"Clogwog" wrote in message ...

"Alex Clayton" schreef in bericht
...
"Jim" wrote in message
...
It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer provide or
facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service for
newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on Thunderbird, but
not on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)


Snip
Jim

So who told you this?
I am using Win.7 and WLM and it is working just great.

Since you run Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726, yes it does.
If you upgrade to WLM 2011, it's going to be a mess!


Are you sure?

"Bob Henson" wrote in message
.. .

Alias wrote:

On 01/23/2011 10:56 PM, Lewis wrote:
You can still access newsgroups and post with WLM, but you will ****
over every person in whatever newsgroup you post to since WLM is
severely broken and cannot post properly. MSFT has know about this issue
and has made no moves towards fixing it.

I think it was done on purpose to try and persuade users to leave Usenet
and go to web based, moderated forums.

I think they may find that Usenetters won't give up that easily. I can
think of a few that would change O/S rather than give in to Microsoft's
attempts at total domination and switch to their forums.
--
Very funny Scotty - now beam down my clothes.


I know for a fact WLM 15 doesn't support usenet.
Anyone who says different is a complete douche.

"Justin" wrote in message
...


"Bob Henson" wrote in message
.. .

Alias wrote:

On 01/23/2011 10:56 PM, Lewis wrote:
You can still access newsgroups and post with WLM, but you will ****
over every person in whatever newsgroup you post to since WLM is
severely broken and cannot post properly. MSFT has know about this
issue
and has made no moves towards fixing it.

I think it was done on purpose to try and persuade users to leave
Usenet
and go to web based, moderated forums.

I think they may find that Usenetters won't give up that easily. I can
think of a few that would change O/S rather than give in to Microsoft's
attempts at total domination and switch to their forums.
--
Very funny Scotty - now beam down my clothes.





I know for a fact WLM 15 doesn't support usenet.
Anyone who says different is a complete douche.



You ought to know.

X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109

If you gotta use it, put in a self-made post separator at the very least.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

relic wrote:

"Tom Lake" wrote in message
...
"Stan Brown" wrote in message
t...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me. I can read newsgroup messages, post to newsgroups
and have my replies automatically be put at the bottom of a message.
That's
all I require in a newsreader. WLM can also combine binary files that
are posted
in pieces although I don't use that facility too often. What features
do other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L

Look at your quoting. WLM does NOT work fine for you.


This is really wierd. All I see are two colored vertical lines.
I suppose I really should buy a new PC and see what this is all about.

--
"It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument."
William G. McAdoo.
American Government official (1863-1941).

"Tom Lake" wrote in message
...
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:09:34 -0500, "Tom Lake"
wrote:

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
. net...

On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me. I can read newsgroup messages, post to newsgroups
and have my replies automatically be put at the bottom of a message.
That's
all I require in a newsreader. WLM can also combine binary files that are
posted
in pieces although I don't use that facility too often. What features do
other
people need that WLM can't provi

Tom L

Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.

Stan's post has two greater than symbols, my reply has one.

Tom L


I am using WLM and it is quoting everything very well.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:45:47 -0800, "Lee Waun"
wrote:

I am using WLM and it is quoting everything very well.

You're using version 14. The worst offender is version 15.

Your version:
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416


--

Char Jackson

On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 00:32:21 -0500, "Justin"
wrote:


"Clogwog" wrote in message ...

"Alex Clayton" schreef in bericht
m...
"Jim" wrote in message
...
It's my understanding that Microsoft Live Mail will no longer provide or
facilitate access to NNTP newsgroups, and that they are gradually
eliminating access. With Windows 7, I can no longer get access to
newsgroups even though I pay a monthly fee to a commercial service for
newsgroup access. ( I have been able to get access on Thunderbird, but
not on Windows Live Mail or Yahoo mail.)


Snip
Jim

So who told you this?
I am using Win.7 and WLM and it is working just great.

Since you run Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726, yes it does.
If you upgrade to WLM 2011, it's going to be a mess!


Are you sure?

You just answered your own question. Look at the quote levels above.
Is that messed up enough for you? Can you see where Clogwog's comments
end and yours begin? Well, neither can we, and that's one reason why
it's a mess.

--

Char Jackson