32 GB memory stick

On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:04:22 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:36:32 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:06:25 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

I recently did my annual cleaning of my computer junk box and tossed
out 5 80GB drives, 2 500GB's, 2 750's, and a 1TB. I figure they're
just too small to be of any real use and aren't worth wasting a SATA
port

1TB, and even 750GB and 500 GB, are "just too small to be of any real
use"? Yes, there are some bigger drives these days, but not a whole
lot bigger. Although I agree with you in principle, I certainly don't
agree with you in the details.

And even the 80GB drives, there are undoubtedly some people who could
use them, and would like to have them. At the very least, if you don't
want to try to sell them, give them away to those who want them.

From the part of Char's post you didn't quote:
"When I say tossed out, I mean I dropped off a big box of stuff at a
local computer shop. One person's junk is another's treasure."

Thanks, yeah. I own a small PC shop (my second job; I also have a day
job) and tend to accumulate hardware from the various customer
upgrades. I don't use used hardware in subsequent upgrades, but a
local shop does (after giving proper notice to his customers) so I
periodically take a big plastic tote of stuff to him. He always thanks
me, so I guess he doesn't consider my junk to be junk. I figure it's a
way to keep stuff out of the landfill and give it a second chance.

We also have a Freecycle list here http://www.freecycle.org/ and I
routinely offer certain things on there. Hopefully, the people who
express an interest in the things I give away are in some way needy,
but I have no control over that. Again, the idea is to keep things out
of the landfill.

But I agree with Ken (edit) about 1 TB to 500 GB being too small to be of use.

Maybe I need to start recording more video or something :-)

What I meant was, a typical motherboard only has 4-8 SATA ports unless
you add a controller card. For my own systems, I can't see wasting a
precious (because they're so limited in number) port on a small drive.
My current minimum usable size is 2TB, and I tend to fill them
quickly. I don't have anything smaller installed at the moment in any
of my systems. I'm sure I'll look back at this moment a few years from
now and wonder what I was doing messing around with those tiny 2TB
drives, but that's how it goes.

--

Char Jackson

Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:01:26 -0400, "Zaphod Beeblebrox"
wrote:

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On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 15:20:18 +0000, Ed Cryer
wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/5t8c2zl

I bought one, and it works; or at least it has the once that
I've used it to backup my personal files.

Where's it all going to end? It's not that long ago that I
bought a 1TB hard drive, and now they're up to 3TB (And no,
don't tell me if by the time you read this they've got even
bigger).

Ed
I remember my very first computer, a Christmas gift from my wife
29 years ago., It was custom built and the guy put in an 80Mb
hard drive. He said to me "You'll never run out of space"! That
was terabytes ago!

Not to go too far OT down memory lane, but my first IBM Compatible
computer was an 8088 at 4.77MHz with 640KB RAM and a whopping 30MB
hard drive running DOS 3.1. At the time, it was a top of the line
PC, made by Packard Bell.


The first computer I owned (I had worked with several others for many
years before--since 1961) was in 1987. It was custom-built and also
was 4.77 MHz and had a 20GB drive. We're not too far apart, but those
days are way behind us.

Wow. Do I feel old. My first personal computer came with a single 360
KB, 5 1/4" floppy. No hard drive. Hard drive support didn't arrive until
the XT.

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Wow. Do I feel old. My first personal computer came with a single 360
KB, 5 1/4" floppy. No hard drive. Hard drive support didn't arrive until
the XT.

Well, my first "IBM-compatible" PC was quite advanced, having 4M of RAM
and a 40 or 80 (I can't remember) hard disc, with DOS and Windows 3.1;
however, that was when I could see the writing on the wall and left
(feeling guilty) the Acorn series of machines. (At that time, you got
more bang for your buck by jumping ship to PCs, by a big enough factor
that only die-hards stayed.)

But that's PCs, which _required_ more or less what Dave shows above to
claim to _be_ PCs. My first _computer_ - which I built from a kit, I
mean really built with a soldering iron, not just clicked together - had
1K of RAM (_including_ the video memory); 0.75 MHz IIRR (it was a
Tangerine, if anyone's interested). I remember upping that to a whole
8K, which seemed quite a lot at the time (I re-found the receipt for the
chips a few years ago: seventy-odd pounds I think! Mind you, that was
proper static RAM, none of your dynamic rubbish).

And the computer I first _learnt_ on had 16 (not 16K) memory locations -
an odd one by today's standards, being 7 bit _ones_ complement (today's
are twos) _serial_, about 100 kHz maximum. (Could also be run at about 1
Hz and about 10.)
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In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
What I meant was, a typical motherboard only has 4-8 SATA ports unless
you add a controller card. For my own systems, I can't see wasting a
precious (because they're so limited in number) port on a small drive.
My current minimum usable size is 2TB, and I tend to fill them
quickly. I don't have anything smaller installed at the moment in any
of my systems. I'm sure I'll look back at this moment a few years from
now and wonder what I was doing messing around with those tiny 2TB
drives, but that's how it goes.

What do you fill them quickly _with_? Uncompressed HD video perhaps?

And when you _have_ filled them, what do you do with them: unplug them
and archive them?
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It means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the
world." - Bill Murray

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 09:58:40 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

But that's PCs, which _required_ more or less what Dave shows above to
claim to _be_ PCs. My first _computer_ - which I built from a kit, I
mean really built with a soldering iron, not just clicked together - had
1K of RAM (_including_ the video memory); 0.75 MHz IIRR (it was a
Tangerine, if anyone's interested).

I too built one of those. It used a 2MHz 6502 processor. I built a 16k
dynamic ram board, using a circuit from Byte I think. I'm sure you
remember GE2ED :-)

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On 05/11/2011 01:04, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:36:32 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:06:25 -0500, Char
wrote:

I recently did my annual cleaning of my computer junk box and tossed
out 5 80GB drives, 2 500GB's, 2 750's, and a 1TB. I figure they're
just too small to be of any real use and aren't worth wasting a SATA
port

1TB, and even 750GB and 500 GB, are "just too small to be of any real
use"? Yes, there are some bigger drives these days, but not a whole
lot bigger. Although I agree with you in principle, I certainly don't
agree with you in the details.

And even the 80GB drives, there are undoubtedly some people who could
use them, and would like to have them. At the very least, if you don't
want to try to sell them, give them away to those who want them.

From the part of Char's post you didn't quote:
"When I say tossed out, I mean I dropped off a big box of stuff at a
local computer shop. One person's junk is another's treasure."

But I agree about 1 TB to 500 GB being too small to be of use.

Maybe I need to start recording more video or something :-)


How to fill up unused space on HDs.

1. Rip lots of audio CDs to 392Kbs MP3 format or FLAC.
2. Copy all video DVDs, convert them to other formats for iPad and the like.
3. Collect pictures from all over the Net.
4. Never empty caches and the Recycle Bin.
5. Retain lots & lots of backups and system images.
6. Convert all your old VCRs to digital.
7. Install a TV card, record everything.
8. Get a digital camera, visit a new town every weekend, take zillions
of pics in best quality format, upload to the HD.


And if that doesn't work, do what my sister does with her laptop. I'm
not too sure just how she does it but she regularly fills up the HD with
Skype conversations.

Ed :-)

On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:04:22 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:36:32 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:06:25 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

I recently did my annual cleaning of my computer junk box and tossed
out 5 80GB drives, 2 500GB's, 2 750's, and a 1TB. I figure they're
just too small to be of any real use and aren't worth wasting a SATA
port

1TB, and even 750GB and 500 GB, are "just too small to be of any real
use"? Yes, there are some bigger drives these days, but not a whole
lot bigger. Although I agree with you in principle, I certainly don't
agree with you in the details.

And even the 80GB drives, there are undoubtedly some people who could
use them, and would like to have them. At the very least, if you don't
want to try to sell them, give them away to those who want them.

From the part of Char's post you didn't quote:
"When I say tossed out, I mean I dropped off a big box of stuff at a
local computer shop. One person's junk is another's treasure."


Thanks. Not only didn't I quote it, I didn't even see it. I read too
fast.

On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:05:35 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 18:04:22 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

But I agree about 1 TB to 500 GB being too small to be of use.

Meaning I agree with Ken...


Thanks for the clarification. It wasn't clear what you meant.

On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:02:28 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:


What I meant was, a typical motherboard only has 4-8 SATA ports unless
you add a controller card.


Yes, but a controller card is inexpensive and easy to add. Or you can
put drives in external cases.


For my own systems, I can't see wasting a
precious (because they're so limited in number) port on a small drive.
My current minimum usable size is 2TB, and I tend to fill them
quickly.



What you call "small" is very different from what most of us call
"small."

And if you fill 2TB drives quickly, you are very unusual. You must
have lots of videos or large photo files.

I'm very different; I have three drives he

1. A 120GB SSD, about half full

2. A 650GB HD, a little less than half full

2. A 650GB HD, almost empty

It's a total of about 400GB.


I don't have anything smaller installed at the moment in any
of my systems. I'm sure I'll look back at this moment a few years from
now and wonder what I was doing messing around with those tiny 2TB
drives, but that's how it goes.


Unquestionably, that's how it goes. We'll all be doing something
similar, even if the numbers are a little different.

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:02:28 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:


What I meant was, a typical motherboard only has 4-8 SATA ports unless
you add a controller card.


Yes, but a controller card is inexpensive and easy to add. Or you can
put drives in external cases.

The controller I use costs $116 (shipped) from Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101358
I cringe a bit at calling it inexpensive. There are certainly plenty
of less expensive controllers, but none that I've found that offer 8
SATA ports like this one.

And since I've exhausted both the 8 Mobo SATA ports as well as the 8
SATA ports made available by the add-on controller, the rest of the
drives are either in external cases or installed in networked
computers and shared so that they can be used by the main system.

--

Char Jackson

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 10:00:36 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
What I meant was, a typical motherboard only has 4-8 SATA ports unless
you add a controller card. For my own systems, I can't see wasting a
precious (because they're so limited in number) port on a small drive.
My current minimum usable size is 2TB, and I tend to fill them
quickly. I don't have anything smaller installed at the moment in any
of my systems. I'm sure I'll look back at this moment a few years from
now and wonder what I was doing messing around with those tiny 2TB
drives, but that's how it goes.

What do you fill them quickly _with_? Uncompressed HD video perhaps?

Someone else made a list of possible suspects in this thread. I
suspect it would be slightly different for everyone.

And when you _have_ filled them, what do you do with them: unplug them
and archive them?

Um, no, that would make them inaccessible.

--

Char Jackson

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 11:56:50 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 10:00:36 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
What I meant was, a typical motherboard only has 4-8 SATA ports unless
you add a controller card. For my own systems, I can't see wasting a
precious (because they're so limited in number) port on a small drive.
My current minimum usable size is 2TB, and I tend to fill them
quickly. I don't have anything smaller installed at the moment in any
of my systems. I'm sure I'll look back at this moment a few years from
now and wonder what I was doing messing around with those tiny 2TB
drives, but that's how it goes.

What do you fill them quickly _with_? Uncompressed HD video perhaps?

Someone else made a list of possible suspects in this thread. I
suspect it would be slightly different for everyone.


The difference is that some people are junk collectors

Steve

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On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 11:51:50 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:02:28 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:


What I meant was, a typical motherboard only has 4-8 SATA ports unless
you add a controller card.


Yes, but a controller card is inexpensive and easy to add. Or you can
put drives in external cases.

The controller I use costs $116 (shipped) from Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101358
I cringe a bit at calling it inexpensive. There are certainly plenty
of less expensive controllers, but none that I've found that offer 8
SATA ports like this one.


No, I don't call that inexpensive either. I've bought a SATA
controller only once, recently, to add two 1.5TB SATA drives to my WHS
machine (it had been IDE only before I added the controller), and it
was inexpensive. It was 4 ports and I paid something around $20 for it
from Amazon.com.


And since I've exhausted both the 8 Mobo SATA ports as well as the 8
SATA ports made available by the add-on controller,


16 ports exhausted? You have many more drives on a single computer
than the enormous majority of computer owners. Including CD/DVD
drives, 16 drives is more than I have on *all* the computers in my
house put together--4 on my computer, 2 on my wife's, 4 on the WHS
machine, 2 on a laptop and 1 on the netbook. That's a total of 13.

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 08:42:46 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 21:02:28 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:


What I meant was, a typical motherboard only has 4-8 SATA ports unless
you add a controller card.

Yes, but a controller card is inexpensive and easy to add. Or you can
put drives in external cases.

The controller I use costs $116 (shipped) from Newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101358
I cringe a bit at calling it inexpensive. There are certainly plenty
of less expensive controllers, but none that I've found that offer 8
SATA ports like this one.

And since I've exhausted both the 8 Mobo SATA ports as well as the 8
SATA ports made available by the add-on controller, the rest of the
drives are either in external cases or installed in networked
computers and shared so that they can be used by the main system.


For capacity (but not necessarily speedy) expansion, you can
use port multiplier boxes. They're still too expensive ($20 per port),
but offer a way to expand if you're run out of other, practical options.
You need the right kind of SATA port to work with it as well, and
initially these might have been sold with a SIL3132 based card.
(The SIL3132 software, supports way more disks than the two ports
on the chip alone would suggest.)

http://www.sataport.com/

AFAIK, SATA addressing allows a fanout of 15, while the boxes (and the chip
inside) is limited to five disks. I have no idea whether they can be
cascaded or not. And at $100 a box, I doubt we'll ever find out.
I still haven't run into someone who owns one.

Silicon Image also has 1:2 chips, which apparently can be cascaded, because
they don't use port multiplier protocol. The chip does an "emulation" to hide
the two drives on the other side. Those chips are sometimes used in dual drive
enclosures with a single ESATA port. The chips have also been used on some
Asus motherboards from several years ago, and used that way, are quite
annoying.

Paul

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
[]
My current minimum usable size is 2TB, and I tend to fill them
quickly. I don't have anything smaller installed at the moment in any
[]
What do you fill them quickly _with_? Uncompressed HD video perhaps?

Someone else made a list of possible suspects in this thread. I
suspect it would be slightly different for everyone.

Which is it in your case?

And when you _have_ filled them, what do you do with them: unplug them
and archive them?

Um, no, that would make them inaccessible.

So what _do_ you do?
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