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No email on W-7
Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:48:49 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: [snip] Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction, since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and Hardly. Someone can still download what he prefers. When I first got onto the Net back in 1995, my ISP supplied some basic software. Without it, I might not have found out about USENET. I was always free to switch. Free Agent I stuck with, upgrading to the paid version at one point. I eventually switched from Netscape to Firefox. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko So we should applaud some software vendor filling up our hard disks with software that is NOT part of the operating system. Guess you just love all that bundleware that comes with many programs. You must have a couple dozen toolbars in your web browser now installed by you because, gee, it came bundled with some software but, of course, you could decide to get something else. You might like pudding but would you really appreciate your car dealer filling up your new car with pudding? Does it really take you buying a new car to find out about pudding? |
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No email on W-7
On 19 Jun 2012, Paul wrote in
alt.windows7.general: Found an interesting tidbit in Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail "Windows 7 It is found in a folder titled 'Windows Mail', but it is unused. Windows Mail can be re-enabled in Windows 7, but the file itself is hidden and doesn't load anything at all. Look on http://www.sevenforums.com/ for information on re-enabling WinMail.exe." I found the tutorial here. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html That looks complicated enough, I'd do a "System Image" of my Windows 7 partitions, before trying it. Then, if you get in trouble, recovery is painless. And if you get it working, there are web pages for setup. http://www.sfsu.edu/~helpdesk/email/WindowsMail/ I tried it and it worked! I had made an earlier attempt a year or two ago, where I tried copying the Windows Mail folder from a Vista installation, but I couldn't get it to work. This new (to me) method works, and now I have Windows Mail on this Win7 computer. I may never use it, but at least I know it can be done. |
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No email on W-7
RH Breener wrote:
I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. That's just one part of the wonderful bloatware that HP pre-installs on their computer. When you purchase a pre-built computer with a pre-installed OS means you get bloatware. Windows 7 doesn't come with an e-mail client. HP decided they knew best what you should use for an e-mail client. Complain to HP about all the bloatware they toss on their pre-built, pre-configured computers. There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail. This newsgroup discusses Windows 7. A better newsgroup for discussing Windows Live Mail is: microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop By the way, yes, you can get WLM to *not* download e-mails that exceed a maximum size. After installing WLM into virtual machine, it took longer to find out how to get at the dialog to define rules then to see if a rule clause were available to limit the size of downloads. For your claim of "no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading", how long did you spend looking at the clauses that you can add to rules? What was the reason you didn't want to select to include the following clauses in a rule? Where the message is more than size Do not Download it from the server Did you add the stop clause to this rule (so subsequent rules don't force a download should they have to interrogate the body of the message)? If you have more than one rule defined, where was this one positioned within your set of rules? That is, what other rules were defined before this one? How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? Several posters have mentioned that you cannot run Outlook Express on Windows 7. Well, that's strictly true under Windows 7 itself but not if you have an edition of Windows 7 that runs XP Mode which is a virtual machine running a copy of Windows XP and which does include Outlook Express. "W-7" doesn't tell anyone WHICH edition of Windows 7 that you are using. If your edition of Windows 7 supports XP Mode, yes, you can run Outlook Express under the VM for Windows XP as a guest running under Windows 7. http://www.mydigitallife.info/how-to...-in-windows-7/ |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote: Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail. I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about. Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7? I bought the same HP system with W7. I didn't even try WindowsLiveMail because I had already seem the mess it makes of Usenet. I installed Forte Agent because that is what I have used for email and Usenet since 1995 and aim to continue to use it no matter what! Steve -- Neural Network Software. http://www.npsl1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:07:07 -0400, Big Steel wrote:
Just use Thunderbird it is free. Lots of good alternatives; PC-Alpine if you like that text/curses look, or Opera perhaps that has a good email client. |
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mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:07:07 -0400, Big Steel wrote: Just use Thunderbird it is free. Lots of good alternatives; PC-Alpine if you like that text/curses look, or Opera perhaps that has a good email client. Pegasus Mail (www.pmail.com). Free, all the features. You can look at your mail on the POP server and decide which to download and which to delete. Filtering, Baysian spam filtering, etc, etc... -- Tim Slattery |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:49:26 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Gene Wirchenko wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:48:49 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: [snip] Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction, since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and Hardly. Someone can still download what he prefers. When I first got onto the Net back in 1995, my ISP supplied some basic software. Without it, I might not have found out about USENET. I was always free to switch. Free Agent I stuck with, upgrading to the paid version at one point. I eventually switched from Netscape to Firefox. So we should applaud some software vendor filling up our hard disks with software that is NOT part of the operating system. Guess you just love In your eagerness to grind your axe, you have missed some possibilities: 1) First of all, I stated "ISP" not "software vendor". 2) The software was supplied on disk. all that bundleware that comes with many programs. You must have a couple dozen toolbars in your web browser now installed by you because, gee, it came bundled with some software but, of course, you could decide to get something else. No. I avoid toolbars. Firefox added a Google search toolbar in one version. I got rid of it quickly. You might like pudding but would you really appreciate your car dealer filling up your new car with pudding? Does it really take you buying a new car to find out about pudding? That is not what I am talking about. I was offered the software. That helped get me started. I was quite free to not install the software. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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RH Breener wrote:
I can't locate the place to make the rules, ... See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in the newer version. And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest version won't install on Windows XP. The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version, you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get to see the Message Rules button. Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7 http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...00000000000%7D (found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule) |
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"RH Breener" wrote in message ... "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message ... "RH Breener" wrote in message ... Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail. I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about. Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7? I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a size rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can see. Inline with snippage. I can't locate the place to make the rules, See VanguardLH's reply. and for some reason the software downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago. Menu Button | Options | Email Accounts | This Mail Account | Properties | Advanced. Uncheck: Leave a copy of messages on the server. My inbox gets swamped and I can't find any way to mark and delete a large number of email messages. I don't see any "select all." Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows. To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. - Delete. To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. - Delete. To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete. -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010 Imperial Beach, CA |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:41:08 -0700, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote: Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows. To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. - Delete. To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. - Delete. To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete. Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control. Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have everything selected that you want. -- Char Jackson |
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"RH Breener" wrote in message ... "VanguardLH" wrote in message ... RH Breener wrote: I can't locate the place to make the rules, ... See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in the newer version. And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest version won't install on Windows XP. The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version, you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get to see the Message Rules button. Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7 http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...00000000000%7D (found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule) I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS doesn't have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like WLM and are looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers. MS isn't going to promote Thunderbird. They want everyone to drink their kool-aid. Mozilla Newsgroups: news.mozilla.org -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010 Imperial Beach, CA |
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"RH Breener" wrote in message ... "Peter Jason" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, "RH Breener" wrote: Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail. I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about. Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7? I had this sort of trouble when I upgraded from XP. I finally bit the bullet and bought Outlook10 and have not regretted it. Peter Can I try before I buy? A trial period perhaps? Is it like WindowsMail on Vista? You can download a trial here. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook FYI: Outlook does not do news. When I got this Win7 machine, I did the WinMail hack and have it for news ever since. (Check my message headers). I used WLMail 2009 for about a month and switched to TB. TB is a bit different than OE, but it's got some great free add-ons. Like "mail merge" for one. http://www.google.com/search?q=thund...I7GGHP_enUS449 -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010 Imperial Beach, CA |
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"RH Breener" wrote in message ... "Ken Blake" wrote in message ... brevity snipped Not really a patch. You just need to copy it from Windows Vista to Windows 7. From what I read online this morning, there's more to it than that. It's more complicated than moving say a DVD burner program from Vista to W-7 and firing it up. And on some forums people tried it and couldn't get it to work for them. Vista's WinMail has been working well on Win 7 for well over a year and a half on my main machine. When you copy it over from Vista, don't forget to give yourself full permissions on all of the files. And start the Winmail.exe from a shortcut pinned to your taskbar. Chris |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:21:12 -0700, RH Breener wrote:
This PC is set to auto-update and is so new I have no idea if it has SP1 installed. Where would I look to see if it's already there? Open the Start Menu, right click the "Computer" shortcut and choose "Properties". The info is in the top part of the panel in the section labeled "Windows edition". Just for kicks, read the whole panel while you're there :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:12:08 -0700, RH Breener wrote:
"R. C. White" wrote in message ecom... Hi, RH. As you probably have learned by now, Win7 comes from Microsoft with NO mail/news client at all. HP must have added WLM to your machine. Microsoft got tired of complaints about "bloat" in Windows Vista and prior, so they removed several add-on features, including mail/news, from Win7. They say that we are now free to select any mail/news client we want (Thunderbird, Agent, or any of several others) and install it ourselves. OE will not run on Win7. WM will not run on Win7, either, officially. But some users have made it work with a patch that should not be too hard to find. (I haven't looked for it because I prefer WLM to WM. I'll probably get flamed for that.) RC No flames. To each is or her own. smile Hey - we can flame if we want! Also smiling... BTW, your typo made me want to correct it. How about "To each is or er own"? Yes, I'm still smiling. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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