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"RH Breener" wrote in message ... I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS doesn't have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like WLM and are looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers. MS isn't going to promote Thunderbird. They want everyone to drink their kool-aid. Not promote Thunderbird... a place to download WindowsMail for those of us who can't stand WLM. It's not a "sanctioned" hack, and the Kppl-Aid part still applies. w -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010 Imperial Beach, CA |
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"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message ... "RH Breener" wrote in message ... Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail. I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about. Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7? I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a size rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can see. I can't locate the place to make the rules, and for some reason the software downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago. My inbox gets swamped and I can't find any way to mark and delete a large number of email messages. I don't see any "select all." I can only delete them one at a time. How do I delete permanently all the messages in the delete folders? This *&^%$#@ WLM is the pits. The rules are not under Filter Messages or anywhere else I looked. And it wont work with one of the three gmail addresses we use. I've deleted it and readded this one account at least 4 times now yet it keeps saying the password don't match. The same account with the same password works on two other computers. Send & Receive it a button on the Home tab ribbon at the right. I found that. You can customize the Message Pane header columns and add Size just like OE and WinMail. Neither OE or WinMail ever had a downloadable version, but there are workarounds. I'll try a work-around and see if it works for me. How to use Outlook Express in Windows 7 http://www.oehelp.com/OEnWin7.aspx How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7 http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html How to enable Windows Mail app in Windows 7 http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic137494.html When SP1 came out, the process needed to be repeated to get WinMail to work again, so you can expect to do it again in the future. This PC is set to auto-update and is so new I have no idea if it has SP1 installed. Where would I look to see if it's already there? |
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snip If you are just doing Registry mods get ERUNT from http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/ But you should learn how to do an image -- Zaidy036 |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message ... In message , RH Breener writes: Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There From all accounts, you're not missing much - WLM version 15, at least, doesn't quote properly. (Incidentally, my understanding is that it isn't actually part of a basic W7 install, so whoever built the PC - HP? - must have decided to include it. It's free from Microsoft.) Yes, HP installs it. is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail. I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of Interesting that you don't like Thunderbird, if you like OutlookExpress; it can be made to look very like OE. There are also flavours of TB - for example, there's one that looks like Eudora, if you know that one. Thunderbird is far better than WLM, but I still prefer to use OE or WM. I've been using the MS email software since 1995. That makes it hard to switch also. But of the two, if I can't somehow get WM to work on the W7 computer, I'll use Thunderbird. WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about. Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7? I _think_ you can - Windows Mail as opposed to Windows Live Mail - though not OE. Over to the experts ... I have the info from above and will give it a go, see what happens. As for seeing the size of mails before you download them, see if your provider offers a web interface; those usually do show the size. Google mail has a web interface but I would much rather get my mail right on my PC. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If you are afraid of being lonely, don't try to be right. - Jules Renard, writer (1864-1910) |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:44:28 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote: "Ken Blake" wrote in message ... Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction, since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he likes best. Even if W7 came with WindowsMail, the person could still choose the email program they like best. Certainly. But the probability of someone exploring the alternatives and choosing what they like best is *much* higher if it comes with no e-mail program and they are therefore forced to make a choice Please note that in the sentence you quoted above, I said "more free," not "free." Windows still comes with IE and we all use MozillaFireFox as our browser. We do *not* all use Firefox. Note the following two points: 1. An enormous number of people use IE, because they either don't know there are alternatives or because it's much easier to just stick with what comes with Windows rather than explore the alternatives. 2. Even among those of us who are interested in exploring the alternatives, we don't all use Firefox. I, for example, greatly prefer Maxthon to Firefox and that's what I use My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even what Microsoft suggests). Thanks for this information. I installed Thunderbird on the W7 computer and I think it'll work if I can't get WM to work on W7. It looks a little complicated but I think I can do it. I'm personally not a Thunderbird fan, but I think it's a *much* better choice than Windows Live Mail. Why not use it even if you can get Windows Live Mail to work? |
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, "RH Breener" wrote: Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with Note that it's your HP PC that came with Windows Live Mail, not Windows 7. Windows Live Mail is a free program that HP (and many other OEMs) bundle with their Windows 7 computers. a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. I'm entirely with you. I think it's about the worst choice there is. How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about. Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7? Yes. Read he http://www.mydigitallife.info/downlo...-in-windows-7/ But you can *not* run Outlook Express in Windows 7. Here's my standard post on this subject: Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction, since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he likes best. Even if W7 came with WindowsMail, the person could still choose the email program they like best. Windows still comes with IE and we all use MozillaFireFox as our browser. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft Office. If your computer came with Windows 7 preinstalled, it may have also come with Windows Live Mail. If so, that's not because Windows 7 came with it, it's because your computer's manufacturer bundled it with what he sold you. Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations. My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even what Microsoft suggests). Thanks for this information. I installed Thunderbird on the W7 computer and I think it'll work if I can't get WM to work on W7. It looks a little complicated but I think I can do it. |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:11:21 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote: "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message ... FYI: Outlook does not do news. OK, then I would not be interested at all. Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything, but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program for e-mail and newsgroups. I don't at all mind having two programs, one for each use, and in some ways I ever prefer it--for example, I can have both open at once. |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:24:02 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote: Actually after working with Thunderbird for awhile I think I'll be able to live with it. It's just more confusing than WM, and after using one type of email program for 12 years, it's hard to switch. I don't think it's really confusing at all. Whenever you go from one thing to another (programs or almost anything else) you go through a period of adjustment. It takes some time to get accustomed to the differences, but with decent software it doesn't take very long. And once you get accustomed to the differences, you may even prefer the new to the old. For example, whenever I rent a car while on vacation, it takes me a little time to get accustomed to the differences between it and what I own. But in a day or two, I'm comfortable with I'm driving, and often prefer at least some of the features on the rented car. |
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Ken Blake wrote:
RH Breener wrote: Bruce Hagen wrote: FYI: Outlook does not do news. OK, then I would not be interested at all. Your choice, of course, and I'm not trying to talk you into anything, but I never understand why anyone insists on using the same program for e-mail and newsgroups. I don't at all mind having two programs, one for each use, and in some ways I ever prefer it--for example, I can have both open at once. Using separate applications removes you from the possibility of sending a private email to a newsgroup. |
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"VanguardLH" wrote in message ... RH Breener wrote: I can't locate the place to make the rules, ... See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in the newer version. And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest version won't install on Windows XP. The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version, you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get to see the Message Rules button. Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7 http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...00000000000%7D (found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule) I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS doesn't have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like WLM and are looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers. |
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:58:42 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote: That's just one part of the wonderful bloatware that HP pre-installs on their computer. When you purchase a pre-built computer with a pre-installed OS means you get bloatware. Not everyone can build their own computer. Most of us have no choice. You are assuming that there are only those two choices: buy a pre-built OEM computer or build your own. That is *not* correct; there is a third choice and it's the one I prefer and use most of the time. What I almost always do is use a local builder to build what I want, to my specifications. I choose all the components and he assembles them. I've built my own several times, but I prefer having someone else do it and paying not a whole lot of money for the service. I prefer it because, although it's easy to build a computer (it's not much more than plugging the components together; similar to plugging together stereo components, but with a computer they are inside the case), it isn't always easy to troubleshoot any problems you have building it. |
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"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message ... "RH Breener" wrote in message ... "Bruce Hagen" wrote in message ... "RH Breener" wrote in message ... Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail. I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about. Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7? I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a size rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can see. Inline with snippage. I can't locate the place to make the rules, See VanguardLH's reply. and for some reason the software downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago. Menu Button | Options | Email Accounts | This Mail Account | Properties | Advanced. Uncheck: Leave a copy of messages on the server. My inbox gets swamped and I can't find any way to mark and delete a large number of email messages. I don't see any "select all." Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows. To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. - Delete. To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. - Delete. To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete. -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010 Imperial Beach, CA Very good. Thank you. |
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"R. C. White" wrote in message ecom... Hi, RH. As you probably have learned by now, Win7 comes from Microsoft with NO mail/news client at all. HP must have added WLM to your machine. Microsoft got tired of complaints about "bloat" in Windows Vista and prior, so they removed several add-on features, including mail/news, from Win7. They say that we are now free to select any mail/news client we want (Thunderbird, Agent, or any of several others) and install it ourselves. OE will not run on Win7. WM will not run on Win7, either, officially. But some users have made it work with a patch that should not be too hard to find. (I haven't looked for it because I prefer WLM to WM. I'll probably get flamed for that.) RC No flames. To each is or her own. smile |
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"Ken Blake" wrote in message ... brevity snipped Not really a patch. You just need to copy it from Windows Vista to Windows 7. From what I read online this morning, there's more to it than that. It's more complicated than moving say a DVD burner program from Vista to W-7 and firing it up. And on some forums people tried it and couldn't get it to work for them. |
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"Peter Jason" wrote in message ... On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, "RH Breener" wrote: Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail. I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about. Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7? I had this sort of trouble when I upgraded from XP. I finally bit the bullet and bought Outlook10 and have not regretted it. Peter Can I try before I buy? A trial period perhaps? Is it like WindowsMail on Vista? |
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