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  #31  
Old September 9th 12, 04:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
philo
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

On 09/09/2012 09:37 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
philo wrote:
It is totally impossible for a Linux live cd to do anything to a
Windows installation unless that partition is mounted first


I know for a fact that statement isn't true.



Then you've proven you know less than nothing

Maybe you need to do a little research on what it means to mount a file
system

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  #32  
Old September 9th 12, 04:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
BillW50
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

In ,
philo wrote:
On 09/09/2012 09:37 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
philo wrote:
On 09/08/2012 08:59 PM, glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
Bil

snip
dows XP, it locks up. What gives? It was Linux
Live, plain and simple. I have demonstrated this a number of times
and it happened every single time. There is no excuse, Linux is
doing something to Windows. Sure whatever it is doing, most users
wouldn't know a thing. I truly believe that. But whatever it is
doing it can make some Windows unbootable.

As far as I am concern, whether Linux Live leaves Windows bootable
or not. That isn't the point. The most important point is that it
shouldn't be doing anything to Windows at all without your
permission. But it does and I caught it with my XP system (and it
is X


snip
rking theory to be believable. Maybe you forgot to supply
one.

1) Windows XP SP2 works fine everyday.

2) Ubuntu Live 8.10 booted from USB and then shutdown.
n and the results are always the
same. Also the question isn't really about the Windows swapfile. The
only reason why the Windows swapfile was introduced was it's a
working theory from a Linux expert. But it doesn't have to be
related to the swapfile at all. So the real question is what is
going on here? I believe any five year old could figure this one
out. It isn't really that hard.


If any five year old could figure it out...then why haven't you done
so????
sheesh


I have! It is so simple! Ubuntu Live is messing with the Windows
install. But you can't figure that one out. Why is that?

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  #33  
Old September 9th 12, 04:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
BillW50
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

In ,
philo wrote:
On 09/09/2012 09:37 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
philo wrote:
It is totally impossible for a Linux live cd to do anything to a
Windows installation unless that partition is mounted first


I know for a fact that statement isn't true.


Then you've proven you know less than nothing

Maybe you need to do a little research on what it means to mount a
file system


What? Is this a joke? No mounting knowledge is necessary to boot Ubuntu
Live and then shutting it back down again. And I am the one that has
proven to know less than nothing?

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  #34  
Old September 9th 12, 06:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Char Jackson
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:37:37 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
Bill, in this scenario you describe, are you saying you attribute
running the Linux Live CD to causing the Windows Installer pop-up
when
you started Windows? Are you implying that the Linux CD boot caused
the execution of a Windows Installer executable, even though Linux
can't run a Windows Installer file? How do you figure that?

Windows Installer pop-ups like that are due to an incomplete or
faulty install of a program that uses Windows Installer. How do you
reconcile that with your claim?

No Glen... what I am saying that this Windows XP runs fine and dandy
for years. No problems whatsoever. I don't know if iband.dll involves
the Windows Installer every time it boots? I might, but you never see
the window. Anyway no problems whatsoever.

Now you just boot up Ubuntu Live and do nothing with it. Don't peek
into the Windows partition or anything. And just shut Linux down.
Totally harmless I would think.

Now if you boot Windows XP, it locks up. What gives? It was Linux
Live, plain and simple. I have demonstrated this a number of times
and it happened every single time. There is no excuse, Linux is doing
something to Windows. Sure whatever it is doing, most users wouldn't
know a thing. I truly believe that. But whatever it is doing it can
make some Windows unbootable.

As far as I am concern, whether Linux Live leaves Windows bootable or
not. That isn't the point. The most important point is that it
shouldn't be doing anything to Windows at all without your
permission. But it does and I caught it with my XP system (and it is
reproducible).


...yet no one else seems to have repro'd it or documented it. That
tends to point to an issue on your system, not with Linux Live CD.
As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.


You can't be serious? It is documented for one. It is documented when
you compile the source. And how do you explain it is my system? You
can't come up with one single working theory how it can be my system!
This isn't rocket science. Any five year old can figure this out. But
you can't? Why is that?


Sorry, Bill, but the theories of Glen and philo make sense, while your
theory doesn't. So far it's one person, you, claiming to have a
problem with one system, an old XP SP2 system with a bit of
non-mainstream software installed, and using one live distro.

If you want to be taken seriously, start testing on other systems,
with other OS and software mixes, and with other live distros. One
person, one PC, and one distro is not enough to draw a solid
conclusion, but so far it looks like user error or something to do
with the obsolete system that you supposedly tested.

  #35  
Old September 9th 12, 07:11 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
philo
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

On 09/09/2012 10:29 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
philo wrote:
On 09/09/2012 09:37 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
philo wrote:
On 09/08/2012 08:59 PM, glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
Bil

snip


If any five year old could figure it out...then why haven't you done
so????
sheesh


I have! It is so simple! Ubuntu Live is messing with the Windows
install. But you can't figure that one out. Why is that?


"messing with" has no technical meaning in my book.
You first said it wrote to the swap file but when you were called on
that you changed your story...
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  #36  
Old September 9th 12, 07:13 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
philo
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

On 09/09/2012 10:29 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
philo wrote:
On 09/09/2012 09:37 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
philo wrote:
It is totally impossible for a Linux live cd to do anything to a
Windows installation unless that partition is mounted first

I know for a fact that statement isn't true.


Then you've proven you know less than nothing

Maybe you need to do a little research on what it means to mount a
file system


What? Is this a joke? No mounting knowledge is necessary to boot Ubuntu
Live and then shutting it back down again. And I am the one that has
proven to know less than nothing?



OK
I specifically said you can not modify anything on a drive unless
you first mount it...again you have changed your story...

Maybe you should consider it's time to quit trolling now

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  #37  
Old September 9th 12, 10:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
BillW50
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

In ,
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:37:37 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
Bill, in this scenario you describe, are you saying you attribute
running the Linux Live CD to causing the Windows Installer pop-up
when
you started Windows? Are you implying that the Linux CD boot
caused the execution of a Windows Installer executable, even
though Linux can't run a Windows Installer file? How do you
figure that?

Windows Installer pop-ups like that are due to an incomplete or
faulty install of a program that uses Windows Installer. How do
you reconcile that with your claim?

No Glen... what I am saying that this Windows XP runs fine and
dandy for years. No problems whatsoever. I don't know if iband.dll
involves the Windows Installer every time it boots? I might, but
you never see the window. Anyway no problems whatsoever.

Now you just boot up Ubuntu Live and do nothing with it. Don't peek
into the Windows partition or anything. And just shut Linux down.
Totally harmless I would think.

Now if you boot Windows XP, it locks up. What gives? It was Linux
Live, plain and simple. I have demonstrated this a number of times
and it happened every single time. There is no excuse, Linux is
doing something to Windows. Sure whatever it is doing, most users
wouldn't know a thing. I truly believe that. But whatever it is
doing it can make some Windows unbootable.

As far as I am concern, whether Linux Live leaves Windows bootable
or not. That isn't the point. The most important point is that it
shouldn't be doing anything to Windows at all without your
permission. But it does and I caught it with my XP system (and it
is reproducible).

...yet no one else seems to have repro'd it or documented it. That
tends to point to an issue on your system, not with Linux Live CD.
As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.


You can't be serious? It is documented for one. It is documented when
you compile the source. And how do you explain it is my system? You
can't come up with one single working theory how it can be my system!
This isn't rocket science. Any five year old can figure this out. But
you can't? Why is that?


Sorry, Bill, but the theories of Glen and philo make sense, while your
theory doesn't.


No way! Any halfwit can figure it out. It isn't that hard. Run Linux and
Windows gets trashed. Saying anything other than Linux is doing it
wouldn't make any sense. This isn't rocket science you know.

So far it's one person, you, claiming to have a
problem with one system, an old XP SP2 system with a bit of
non-mainstream software installed, and using one live distro.


It doesn't matter what OS is on the drive. The claim is that Linux Live
won't touch it. And I know for a fact that is wrong!

If you want to be taken seriously, start testing on other systems,
with other OS and software mixes, and with other live distros. One
person, one PC, and one distro is not enough to draw a solid
conclusion, but so far it looks like user error or something to do
with the obsolete system that you supposedly tested.


I haven't used any Linux Live on any Windows system since that day
except I started today. And I tried 8.04, 9.10, and 12.04.1 so far of
Ubuntu Live and every one of them were accessing the Windows drive a
number of times while Linux was booting. Philo says that doesn't happen.
Yet I bet it happens for everybody on any system. Why? What is Linux
doing with the Windows drive?

I tried the same with BartPE. And BartPE booted completely and the
Windows drive light never lit up even once. So there is no way anybody
is going to tell me that Linux Live doesn't touch your Windows drive. As
the drive's access light is saying otherwise.

I haven't got the same conditions that I did back in 2009 yet. That will
take some time to setup yet. I even still have backups from back then
too. ;-)

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  #38  
Old September 9th 12, 10:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
BillW50
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

In ,
philo wrote:
On 09/09/2012 10:29 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
philo wrote:
On 09/09/2012 09:37 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
philo wrote:
On 09/08/2012 08:59 PM, glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
Bil

snip


If any five year old could figure it out...then why haven't you done
so????
sheesh


I have! It is so simple! Ubuntu Live is messing with the Windows
install. But you can't figure that one out. Why is that?


"messing with" has no technical meaning in my book.
You first said it wrote to the swap file but when you were called on
that you changed your story...


No I said Linux Live can use the Windows swapfile. Whether it does or
not depends on the one who compiled Linux. The end user has no say so in
the matter.

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  #39  
Old September 9th 12, 10:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
BillW50
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

In ,
philo wrote:
On 09/09/2012 10:29 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
philo wrote:
On 09/09/2012 09:37 AM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
philo wrote:
It is totally impossible for a Linux live cd to do anything to a
Windows installation unless that partition is mounted first

I know for a fact that statement isn't true.

Then you've proven you know less than nothing

Maybe you need to do a little research on what it means to mount a
file system


What? Is this a joke? No mounting knowledge is necessary to boot
Ubuntu Live and then shutting it back down again. And I am the one
that has proven to know less than nothing?


OK
I specifically said you can not modify anything on a drive unless
you first mount it...again you have changed your story...


No I haven't. I said just booting Linux Live and exiting, Windows got
trashed.

Maybe you should consider it's time to quit trolling now


No trolling from me. You claimed Linux Live wouldn't touch the Windows
drive until you mount it. Then why does Linux Live flash my hard drive
lights while Linux is loading from CD for? I booted up BartPE from CD
and the Windows drive light never lit up once. So BartPE isn't accessing
the Windows drive, but Linux is. How do you explain that one?

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  #40  
Old September 10th 12, 12:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Char Jackson
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 16:06:07 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:37:37 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
Bill, in this scenario you describe, are you saying you attribute
running the Linux Live CD to causing the Windows Installer pop-up
when
you started Windows? Are you implying that the Linux CD boot
caused the execution of a Windows Installer executable, even
though Linux can't run a Windows Installer file? How do you
figure that?

Windows Installer pop-ups like that are due to an incomplete or
faulty install of a program that uses Windows Installer. How do
you reconcile that with your claim?

No Glen... what I am saying that this Windows XP runs fine and
dandy for years. No problems whatsoever. I don't know if iband.dll
involves the Windows Installer every time it boots? I might, but
you never see the window. Anyway no problems whatsoever.

Now you just boot up Ubuntu Live and do nothing with it. Don't peek
into the Windows partition or anything. And just shut Linux down.
Totally harmless I would think.

Now if you boot Windows XP, it locks up. What gives? It was Linux
Live, plain and simple. I have demonstrated this a number of times
and it happened every single time. There is no excuse, Linux is
doing something to Windows. Sure whatever it is doing, most users
wouldn't know a thing. I truly believe that. But whatever it is
doing it can make some Windows unbootable.

As far as I am concern, whether Linux Live leaves Windows bootable
or not. That isn't the point. The most important point is that it
shouldn't be doing anything to Windows at all without your
permission. But it does and I caught it with my XP system (and it
is reproducible).

...yet no one else seems to have repro'd it or documented it. That
tends to point to an issue on your system, not with Linux Live CD.
As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.

You can't be serious? It is documented for one. It is documented when
you compile the source. And how do you explain it is my system? You
can't come up with one single working theory how it can be my system!
This isn't rocket science. Any five year old can figure this out. But
you can't? Why is that?


Sorry, Bill, but the theories of Glen and philo make sense, while your
theory doesn't.


No way! Any halfwit can figure it out. It isn't that hard.


Since *you* didn't figure it out, does that make you less than a
halfwit?

Run Linux and Windows gets trashed.


Except that it *doesn't* happen to anyone but you. Ergo, the problem
is at your end, in the form of either user error or system problems.

Saying anything other than Linux is doing it
wouldn't make any sense. This isn't rocket science you know.


It's not Linux, it's you.

So far it's one person, you, claiming to have a
problem with one system, an old XP SP2 system with a bit of
non-mainstream software installed, and using one live distro.


It doesn't matter what OS is on the drive. The claim is that Linux Live
won't touch it. And I know for a fact that is wrong!


I continue to doubt you.

If you want to be taken seriously, start testing on other systems,
with other OS and software mixes, and with other live distros. One
person, one PC, and one distro is not enough to draw a solid
conclusion, but so far it looks like user error or something to do
with the obsolete system that you supposedly tested.


I haven't used any Linux Live on any Windows system since that day
except I started today. And I tried 8.04, 9.10, and 12.04.1 so far of
Ubuntu Live and every one of them were accessing the Windows drive a
number of times while Linux was booting.


So you trashed your Windows system at least 3 times today? Maybe the
image you're restoring from is AFU.

Philo says that doesn't happen.
Yet I bet it happens for everybody on any system. Why? What is Linux
doing with the Windows drive?


I don't know Philo, but I know you. Of the two of you, I'll trust
Philo every time. (As I'm sure you know, you've blown your credibility
over and over and over again, multiple times, so there isn't much
reason for me to believe these latest claims.)

  #41  
Old September 10th 12, 12:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
BillW50
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 16:06:07 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:37:37 -0500, "BillW50"
wrote:

In ,
glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
Bill, in this scenario you describe, are you saying you
attribute running the Linux Live CD to causing the Windows
Installer pop-up when
you started Windows? Are you implying that the Linux CD boot
caused the execution of a Windows Installer executable, even
though Linux can't run a Windows Installer file? How do you
figure that?

Windows Installer pop-ups like that are due to an incomplete or
faulty install of a program that uses Windows Installer. How do
you reconcile that with your claim?

No Glen... what I am saying that this Windows XP runs fine and
dandy for years. No problems whatsoever. I don't know if
iband.dll involves the Windows Installer every time it boots? I
might, but you never see the window. Anyway no problems
whatsoever.

Now you just boot up Ubuntu Live and do nothing with it. Don't
peek into the Windows partition or anything. And just shut Linux
down. Totally harmless I would think.

Now if you boot Windows XP, it locks up. What gives? It was Linux
Live, plain and simple. I have demonstrated this a number of
times and it happened every single time. There is no excuse,
Linux is doing something to Windows. Sure whatever it is doing,
most users wouldn't know a thing. I truly believe that. But
whatever it is doing it can make some Windows unbootable.

As far as I am concern, whether Linux Live leaves Windows
bootable or not. That isn't the point. The most important point
is that it shouldn't be doing anything to Windows at all without
your permission. But it does and I caught it with my XP system
(and it is reproducible).

...yet no one else seems to have repro'd it or documented it.
That tends to point to an issue on your system, not with Linux
Live CD. As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.

You can't be serious? It is documented for one. It is documented
when you compile the source. And how do you explain it is my
system? You can't come up with one single working theory how it
can be my system! This isn't rocket science. Any five year old can
figure this out. But you can't? Why is that?

Sorry, Bill, but the theories of Glen and philo make sense, while
your theory doesn't.


No way! Any halfwit can figure it out. It isn't that hard.


Since *you* didn't figure it out, does that make you less than a
halfwit?


I figured it out years ago. I am waiting for the rest to catch up.

Run Linux and Windows gets trashed.


Except that it *doesn't* happen to anyone but you. Ergo, the problem
is at your end, in the form of either user error or system problems.

Saying anything other than Linux is doing it
wouldn't make any sense. This isn't rocket science you know.


It's not Linux, it's you.


Then why does your hard drive light flicker when you load Ubuntu Live?
Are you being untruthful?

So far it's one person, you, claiming to have a
problem with one system, an old XP SP2 system with a bit of
non-mainstream software installed, and using one live distro.


It doesn't matter what OS is on the drive. The claim is that Linux
Live won't touch it. And I know for a fact that is wrong!


I continue to doubt you.


That is ok, I would trust the devil before I would trust you.

If you want to be taken seriously, start testing on other systems,
with other OS and software mixes, and with other live distros. One
person, one PC, and one distro is not enough to draw a solid
conclusion, but so far it looks like user error or something to do
with the obsolete system that you supposedly tested.


I haven't used any Linux Live on any Windows system since that day
except I started today. And I tried 8.04, 9.10, and 12.04.1 so far of
Ubuntu Live and every one of them were accessing the Windows drive a
number of times while Linux was booting.


So you trashed your Windows system at least 3 times today? Maybe the
image you're restoring from is AFU.


Nope, I didn't trash it once today. But you always get things wrong.
Nothing new there.

Philo says that doesn't happen.
Yet I bet it happens for everybody on any system. Why? What is Linux
doing with the Windows drive?


I don't know Philo, but I know you. Of the two of you, I'll trust
Philo every time. (As I'm sure you know, you've blown your credibility
over and over and over again, multiple times, so there isn't much
reason for me to believe these latest claims.)


That is because you believe yourself while you get everything wrong. So
no surprise there either.

Let's see, in this post alone you got nothing right yet. That isn't a
surprise either. Even the devil has a far better batting
average than that.

--
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Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2



  #42  
Old September 10th 12, 02:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
Char Jackson
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Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 18:43:54 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 16:06:07 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:37:37 -0500, "BillW50"
wrote:

In ,
glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
Bill, in this scenario you describe, are you saying you
attribute running the Linux Live CD to causing the Windows
Installer pop-up when
you started Windows? Are you implying that the Linux CD boot
caused the execution of a Windows Installer executable, even
though Linux can't run a Windows Installer file? How do you
figure that?

Windows Installer pop-ups like that are due to an incomplete or
faulty install of a program that uses Windows Installer. How do
you reconcile that with your claim?

No Glen... what I am saying that this Windows XP runs fine and
dandy for years. No problems whatsoever. I don't know if
iband.dll involves the Windows Installer every time it boots? I
might, but you never see the window. Anyway no problems
whatsoever.

Now you just boot up Ubuntu Live and do nothing with it. Don't
peek into the Windows partition or anything. And just shut Linux
down. Totally harmless I would think.

Now if you boot Windows XP, it locks up. What gives? It was Linux
Live, plain and simple. I have demonstrated this a number of
times and it happened every single time. There is no excuse,
Linux is doing something to Windows. Sure whatever it is doing,
most users wouldn't know a thing. I truly believe that. But
whatever it is doing it can make some Windows unbootable.

As far as I am concern, whether Linux Live leaves Windows
bootable or not. That isn't the point. The most important point
is that it shouldn't be doing anything to Windows at all without
your permission. But it does and I caught it with my XP system
(and it is reproducible).

...yet no one else seems to have repro'd it or documented it.
That tends to point to an issue on your system, not with Linux
Live CD. As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.

You can't be serious? It is documented for one. It is documented
when you compile the source. And how do you explain it is my
system? You can't come up with one single working theory how it
can be my system! This isn't rocket science. Any five year old can
figure this out. But you can't? Why is that?

Sorry, Bill, but the theories of Glen and philo make sense, while
your theory doesn't.

No way! Any halfwit can figure it out. It isn't that hard.


Since *you* didn't figure it out, does that make you less than a
halfwit?


I figured it out years ago. I am waiting for the rest to catch up.

Run Linux and Windows gets trashed.


Except that it *doesn't* happen to anyone but you. Ergo, the problem
is at your end, in the form of either user error or system problems.

Saying anything other than Linux is doing it
wouldn't make any sense. This isn't rocket science you know.


It's not Linux, it's you.


Then why does your hard drive light flicker when you load Ubuntu Live?
Are you being untruthful?

So far it's one person, you, claiming to have a
problem with one system, an old XP SP2 system with a bit of
non-mainstream software installed, and using one live distro.

It doesn't matter what OS is on the drive. The claim is that Linux
Live won't touch it. And I know for a fact that is wrong!


I continue to doubt you.


That is ok, I would trust the devil before I would trust you.

If you want to be taken seriously, start testing on other systems,
with other OS and software mixes, and with other live distros. One
person, one PC, and one distro is not enough to draw a solid
conclusion, but so far it looks like user error or something to do
with the obsolete system that you supposedly tested.

I haven't used any Linux Live on any Windows system since that day
except I started today. And I tried 8.04, 9.10, and 12.04.1 so far of
Ubuntu Live and every one of them were accessing the Windows drive a
number of times while Linux was booting.


So you trashed your Windows system at least 3 times today? Maybe the
image you're restoring from is AFU.


Nope, I didn't trash it once today. But you always get things wrong.
Nothing new there.


So your claim that booting from your live CD would trash your system
was bogus? No surprise there, but thanks for confirming.

You know, they say the hardest part about lying is remembering the
lies. Looks like you forgot part of your story.

  #43  
Old September 10th 12, 02:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
BillW50
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In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 18:43:54 -0500, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 16:06:07 -0500, "BillW50"
wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 09:37:37 -0500, "BillW50"
wrote:

In ,
glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
Bill, in this scenario you describe, are you saying you
attribute running the Linux Live CD to causing the Windows
Installer pop-up when
you started Windows? Are you implying that the Linux CD boot
caused the execution of a Windows Installer executable, even
though Linux can't run a Windows Installer file? How do you
figure that?

Windows Installer pop-ups like that are due to an incomplete
or faulty install of a program that uses Windows Installer.
How do you reconcile that with your claim?

No Glen... what I am saying that this Windows XP runs fine and
dandy for years. No problems whatsoever. I don't know if
iband.dll involves the Windows Installer every time it boots? I
might, but you never see the window. Anyway no problems
whatsoever.

Now you just boot up Ubuntu Live and do nothing with it. Don't
peek into the Windows partition or anything. And just shut
Linux down. Totally harmless I would think.

Now if you boot Windows XP, it locks up. What gives? It was
Linux Live, plain and simple. I have demonstrated this a
number of times and it happened every single time. There is no
excuse, Linux is doing something to Windows. Sure whatever it
is doing, most users wouldn't know a thing. I truly believe
that. But whatever it is doing it can make some Windows
unbootable.

As far as I am concern, whether Linux Live leaves Windows
bootable or not. That isn't the point. The most important point
is that it shouldn't be doing anything to Windows at all
without your permission. But it does and I caught it with my
XP system (and it is reproducible).

...yet no one else seems to have repro'd it or documented it.
That tends to point to an issue on your system, not with Linux
Live CD. As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.

You can't be serious? It is documented for one. It is documented
when you compile the source. And how do you explain it is my
system? You can't come up with one single working theory how it
can be my system! This isn't rocket science. Any five year old
can figure this out. But you can't? Why is that?

Sorry, Bill, but the theories of Glen and philo make sense, while
your theory doesn't.

No way! Any halfwit can figure it out. It isn't that hard.

Since *you* didn't figure it out, does that make you less than a
halfwit?


I figured it out years ago. I am waiting for the rest to catch up.

Run Linux and Windows gets trashed.

Except that it *doesn't* happen to anyone but you. Ergo, the problem
is at your end, in the form of either user error or system problems.

Saying anything other than Linux is doing it
wouldn't make any sense. This isn't rocket science you know.

It's not Linux, it's you.


Then why does your hard drive light flicker when you load Ubuntu
Live? Are you being untruthful?

So far it's one person, you, claiming to have a
problem with one system, an old XP SP2 system with a bit of
non-mainstream software installed, and using one live distro.

It doesn't matter what OS is on the drive. The claim is that Linux
Live won't touch it. And I know for a fact that is wrong!

I continue to doubt you.


That is ok, I would trust the devil before I would trust you.

If you want to be taken seriously, start testing on other systems,
with other OS and software mixes, and with other live distros. One
person, one PC, and one distro is not enough to draw a solid
conclusion, but so far it looks like user error or something to do
with the obsolete system that you supposedly tested.

I haven't used any Linux Live on any Windows system since that day
except I started today. And I tried 8.04, 9.10, and 12.04.1 so far
of Ubuntu Live and every one of them were accessing the Windows
drive a number of times while Linux was booting.

So you trashed your Windows system at least 3 times today? Maybe the
image you're restoring from is AFU.


Nope, I didn't trash it once today. But you always get things wrong.
Nothing new there.


So your claim that booting from your live CD would trash your system
was bogus? No surprise there, but thanks for confirming.

You know, they say the hardest part about lying is remembering the
lies. Looks like you forgot part of your story.


Nope, I never lie, Char! Nor do I have a reason to. Plus I've seen some
of my very old posts in the archives and they are still true today as
they were back then. Check it out yourself. Also like I said earlier
today, which you clipped out: "I haven't got the same conditions that I
did back in 2009 yet. That will take some time to setup yet. I even
still have backups from back then too."

Then again you can't seem to get anything right.
That is too bad. Tsk-tsk.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2



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Old September 10th 12, 06:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
glee
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"BillW50" wrote in message
...

I haven't used any Linux Live on any Windows system since that day
except I started today. And I tried 8.04, 9.10, and 12.04.1 so far of
Ubuntu Live and every one of them were accessing the Windows drive a
number of times while Linux was booting. Philo says that doesn't
happen.
Yet I bet it happens for everybody on any system. Why? What is Linux
doing with the Windows drive?

I tried the same with BartPE. And BartPE booted completely and the
Windows drive light never lit up even once. So there is no way anybody
is going to tell me that Linux Live doesn't touch your Windows drive.
As
the drive's access light is saying otherwise.
snip


While loading, a Linux Live CD checks if any hard drives are attached to
the system, so it can list them in the Linux GUI if the user wants to
mount them later. That's why the hard drive light flashes.... it has
nothing to do with "accessing" or writing to the hard drive, or
executing anything on the hard drive.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

  #45  
Old September 10th 12, 06:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
glee
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Posts: 1,794
Default Undeletable file. I'm stumped.

"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
...
In ,
glee wrote:
Bill, in this scenario you describe, are you saying you attribute
running the Linux Live CD to causing the Windows Installer pop-up
when
you started Windows? Are you implying that the Linux CD boot
caused
the execution of a Windows Installer executable, even though Linux
can't run a Windows Installer file? How do you figure that?

Windows Installer pop-ups like that are due to an incomplete or
faulty install of a program that uses Windows Installer. How do
you reconcile that with your claim?

No Glen... what I am saying that this Windows XP runs fine and dandy
for years. No problems whatsoever. I don't know if iband.dll
involves
the Windows Installer every time it boots? I might, but you never
see
the window. Anyway no problems whatsoever.

Now you just boot up Ubuntu Live and do nothing with it. Don't peek
into the Windows partition or anything. And just shut Linux down.
Totally harmless I would think.

Now if you boot Windows XP, it locks up. What gives? It was Linux
Live, plain and simple. I have demonstrated this a number of times
and it happened every single time. There is no excuse, Linux is
doing
something to Windows. Sure whatever it is doing, most users wouldn't
know a thing. I truly believe that. But whatever it is doing it can
make some Windows unbootable.

As far as I am concern, whether Linux Live leaves Windows bootable
or
not. That isn't the point. The most important point is that it
shouldn't be doing anything to Windows at all without your
permission. But it does and I caught it with my XP system (and it is
reproducible).


...yet no one else seems to have repro'd it or documented it. That
tends to point to an issue on your system, not with Linux Live CD.
As I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.


You can't be serious? It is documented for one. It is documented when
you compile the source. And how do you explain it is my system? You
can't come up with one single working theory how it can be my system!
This isn't rocket science. Any five year old can figure this out. But
you can't? Why is that?


You apparently don't understand the meaning of "documented" in this
dialog. It has nothing to do with compiling, that statement doesn't
make sense. I stated no one else has reproduced your issue, it is not
documented as being an issue anywhere I have seen other than in your
posts about it.

I already gave you a working theory... it's some issue with your system.
How can I explain what, when I am not on your system? As you seem to be
the only person in the world reporting this, on one computer, that
points pretty clearly to it being that system's issue, not the Linux
Live CD boot. I say once again, we will have to agree to disagree on
this. Casting aspersions on those who doubt your conclusion is just
silly.... your disparaging comments about "any five year old", "not
rocket science" and so forth, are just examples of using insults when
evidence is not available. It's a very sorry way to discuss something.
--
Glen Ventura
MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009
CompTIA A+

 




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