OT.... but I need help

On 11/07/2012, Char Jackson posted:
I usually know what year it is, plus or minus. ;-)

What's the secret?

The secret is, don't look at the sun.

Still trying to keep me in the dark, I see.

I keep some of my favorite mushrooms in the dark. You'll be in good
company.

LOL.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In message , choro
writes:
On 07/11/2012 08:07, choro wrote:
[]
In that case I must NOT snip the blank line above the sig which
automatically moves the double dash to the end of the last line of my

How peculiar! I see you're using Thunderbird. Any other TB users here
who find that they need to appear to leave a blank line before the "-- "
line for it not to jump to the end of the previous line?

I say "appear to", because in your - now properly-delimited! - posts,
there is _not_ a blank line before the dash-dash-space line, however it
might appear on your screen!

posting. In other words, let things be as I am doing here. Got it now.
No cheating from now on because I realise I am only cheating myself.

Good! I can see my sig as well as the text keyed in after the sig
greyed out. Thanks for you patience.

You're welcome!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

TV and radio presenters are just like many people, except they tend to wear
make-up all the time. Especially the radio presenters. - Eddie Mair, in Radio
Times 25-31 August 2012

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:14:42 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:46:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
[]
The secret is, don't look at the sun.

Still trying to keep me in the dark, I see.

I keep some of my favorite mushrooms in the dark. You'll be in good
company.

The usual (often when talking about management and workers) is "keep us
in the dark and shovel s**t onto us ..."
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

TV and radio presenters are just like many people, except they tend to wear
make-up all the time. Especially the radio presenters. - Eddie Mair, in Radio
Times 25-31 August 2012

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:47:56 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:14:42 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:46:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:
[]
The secret is, don't look at the sun.

Still trying to keep me in the dark, I see.

I keep some of my favorite mushrooms in the dark. You'll be in good
company.

The usual (often when talking about management and workers) is "keep us
in the dark and shovel s**t onto us ..."

I'm aware, but that's not how I feel about Gene. :-)

--

Char Jackson

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:44:22 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:47:56 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

[snip]

The usual (often when talking about management and workers) is "keep us
in the dark and shovel s**t onto us ..."

I'm aware, but that's not how I feel about Gene. :-)

And you are not the light of his life. Unless your batteries
went flat.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On 11/07/2012, Char Jackson posted:
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:47:56 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:14:42 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 21:46:54 -0600, Char Jackson wrote: []
The secret is, don't look at the sun.

Still trying to keep me in the dark, I see.

I keep some of my favorite mushrooms in the dark. You'll be in good
company.

The usual (often when talking about management and workers) is "keep us
in the dark and shovel s**t onto us ..."

I'm aware, but that's not how I feel about Gene. :-)

Thanks, but you might be unique :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 11/07/2012, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
In message , choro writes:
On 07/11/2012 08:07, choro wrote:
[]
In that case I must NOT snip the blank line above the sig which
automatically moves the double dash to the end of the last line of my

How peculiar! I see you're using Thunderbird. Any other TB users here who
find that they need to appear to leave a blank line before the "-- " line for
it not to jump to the end of the previous line?

I say "appear to", because in your - now properly-delimited! - posts, there
is _not_ a blank line before the dash-dash-space line, however it might
appear on your screen!

Good catch.

I only use TB for e-mail, where it does leave an apparent blank line
before the delimiter - but there is no actual blank line there...

If you position the cursor on the preceding non-blank line and press
the down arrow, the cursor goes directly to the delimiter line. If you
position the cursor on the delimiter line and press up arrow, the
cursor goes directly to the last line of the post.

I always type an extra blank line (which then looks like two blank
lines) because I want one there, but I take it so much for granted that
I failed to realize what was being talked about here until just now...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
[]
I always type an extra blank line (which then looks like two blank
lines) because I want one there, but I take it so much for granted that
I failed to realize what was being talked about here until just now...

Can't you include the extra blank line in your .sig file?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"If you torture the data enough, it will confess" (Guillaume Dargaud)

On 11/07/2012, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
[]
I always type an extra blank line (which then looks like two blank lines)
because I want one there, but I take it so much for granted that I failed
to realize what was being talked about here until just now...

Can't you include the extra blank line in your .sig file?

No. That would put it after the delimiter, not before it.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

I usually know what year it is, plus or minus. ;-)


Wow, you can tell that by looking at the sun!? ;-)


No, no! Don't look at the sun! You can go blind if you do that. g

My mother told me that I'd go blind but it wasn't from looking at the sun.

--

Tom L
Always masticate 28 times before swallowing.

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On 11/07/2012, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
[]
I always type an extra blank line (which then looks like two blank
lines) because I want one there, but I take it so much for granted
that I failed to realize what was being talked about here until just now...

Can't you include the extra blank line in your .sig file?

No. That would put it after the delimiter, not before it.

Ah, I see; the delimiter is added by the software. I assumed it was in
the .sig file.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"...told me to connect with the electorate, and I did!" John Prescott on
having punched the man who threw an egg at him (Top Gear, 2011-2-28)

On 11/8/2012 1:10 PM, Tom Lake wrote:
I usually know what year it is, plus or minus. ;-)


Wow, you can tell that by looking at the sun!? ;-)


No, no! Don't look at the sun! You can go blind if you do that. g

My mother told me that I'd go blind but it wasn't from looking at the sun.

--

Tom L
Always masticate 28 times before swallowing.


Seems a bit excessive for pudding!

On 11/08/2012, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On 11/07/2012, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
[]
I always type an extra blank line (which then looks like two blank lines)
because I want one there, but I take it so much for granted that I failed
to realize what was being talked about here until just now...

Can't you include the extra blank line in your .sig file?

No. That would put it after the delimiter, not before it.

Ah, I see; the delimiter is added by the software. I assumed it was in the
.sig file.

Actually, we might both be right :-)

Early today I realized that it varies with the reader used. I leapt to
an unjustified conclusion.

Here's the score in my case:

1. Dialog adds the delimiter automatically. I don't see a way to change
that or to edit a delimiter.

2. MesNews has two boxes in the sig dialog box. One is for the sig
text; the other is for the delimiter - which the user provides.

3. The user provides Thunderbird with the entire text, delimiter
included. The user would have to know what to do about the delimiter.

So you see that my reply to you was not even correct for *me* :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On 11/08/2012, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On 11/07/2012, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
[]
I always type an extra blank line (which then looks like two blank
lines) because I want one there, but I take it so much for
granted that I failed to realize what was being talked about here
until just now...

Can't you include the extra blank line in your .sig file?

No. That would put it after the delimiter, not before it.

Ah, I see; the delimiter is added by the software. I assumed it was
in the .sig file.

Actually, we might both be right :-)

Early today I realized that it varies with the reader used. I leapt to
an unjustified conclusion.

Here's the score in my case:

1. Dialog adds the delimiter automatically. I don't see a way to change
that or to edit a delimiter.

I suppose it could be argued that there is only one form of the
delimiter that is RFC-compliant anyway, so it shouldn't need editing.
(Come to think of it, I think this Turnpike also adds it automatically;
it's so many years since I set it up that I can't remember!) Doesn't
help anyone who, like you, wants to put a blank line before it though.
(Any particular reason, other than aesthetics? Turnpike puts one in,
which I'm always deleting as I _don't_ want one, so you can't please all
of the people all of the time!)

2. MesNews has two boxes in the sig dialog box. One is for the sig
text; the other is for the delimiter - which the user provides.

That would work for you _if_ it lets you specify more than one line for
the delimiter (actually it would still work if it doesn't: you'd put the
blank line as the delimiter, and the "-- " at the start of the .sig
text. As long as it doesn't trim trailing spaces.) I do wonder why they
provided for user-specified delimiters though, as only one "works"!

3. The user provides Thunderbird with the entire text, delimiter
included. The user would have to know what to do about the delimiter.

That would (again with the caveat about trailing spaces) let you do what
you want.

So you see that my reply to you was not even correct for *me* :-)

Interesting though! I'd never come across the middle (MesNews) option
before.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Another lively meeting of thr 1922 Committee - the secret gathering of BBC
presenters that gets its name from the fact that no one is sober after
twenty-past seven. - Eddie Mair, RT 16-22 April 2011

On 11/10/2012, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On 11/08/2012, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On 11/07/2012, J. P. Gilliver (John) posted:
In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
[]
I always type an extra blank line (which then looks like two blank
lines) because I want one there, but I take it so much for granted
that I failed to realize what was being talked about here until just
now...

Can't you include the extra blank line in your .sig file?

No. That would put it after the delimiter, not before it.

Ah, I see; the delimiter is added by the software. I assumed it was in the
.sig file.

Actually, we might both be right :-)

Early today I realized that it varies with the reader used. I leapt to an
unjustified conclusion.

Here's the score in my case:

1. Dialog adds the delimiter automatically. I don't see a way to change that
or to edit a delimiter.

I suppose it could be argued that there is only one form of the delimiter
that is RFC-compliant anyway, so it shouldn't need editing. (Come to think of
it, I think this Turnpike also adds it automatically; it's so many years
since I set it up that I can't remember!) Doesn't help anyone who, like you,
wants to put a blank line before it though. (Any particular reason, other
than aesthetics? Turnpike puts one in, which I'm always deleting as I _don't_
want one, so you can't please all of the people all of the time!)

2. MesNews has two boxes in the sig dialog box. One is for the sig text; the
other is for the delimiter - which the user provides.

That would work for you _if_ it lets you specify more than one line for the
delimiter (actually it would still work if it doesn't: you'd put the blank
line as the delimiter, and the "-- " at the start of the .sig text. As long
as it doesn't trim trailing spaces.) I do wonder why they provided for
user-specified delimiters though, as only one "works"!

3. The user provides Thunderbird with the entire text, delimiter included.
The user would have to know what to do about the delimiter.

That would (again with the caveat about trailing spaces) let you do what you
want.

So you see that my reply to you was not even correct for *me* :-)

Interesting though! I'd never come across the middle (MesNews) option before.

All I was doing was reporting information that I discovered by
investigation. I meant no implication that I am trying to do anything
for myself. For one thing, I already set my sigs up the way I want them
- years ago.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)