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  #16  
Old August 2nd 15, 03:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general, comp.mobile.ipad
Alan Browne
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Default All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

On 2015-08-02 10:05, Werner Obermeier wrote:
Alan Browne wrote in
:

- Dropbox
- Box
- Evernote
- E-mail


One of those ideas is a good one, which I thank you for suggesting.

It's overkill to nuke a gopherhole just as it's overkill to resort to
setting up a cloud account and disassembling it afterward just to copy
two MP4 files from Windows five inches over to an iPad.


You're using this problem as another excuse to attack the iOS way of
doing things. The BEST way to solve this problem is to install iTunes
on the WinXP machine in question. It is free. It works. (iTunes is a
horrible mess of a program, but it's the best way to do what you want to
do. Period). And yes, you can remove it from your WinXP system if need
be (via the horrible Windows installer - what a piece of ****).

E-Mail won't easily work because each MP4 is about 800Mbytes in size.

However, googling, I see Evernote is a program which allows "drag and drop",
which is *exactly* what I want to do.


No it manifestly is not. It matches your objection of not moving things
to "the cloud". Evernote syncs via a server somewhere out there.
Indeed, you can't load an 800 MB file onto it w/o paying fees (if I
recall correctly, I don't use Evernote very much anymore. I prefer
Dropbox but I'm looking to abandon it due to its very poor security).

The only problem with Evernote, that I can see anyway, is that it's a
lot of setup just to copy two files.


Again you're just attacking the iOS model. In real life you don't just
copy 2 files once. You set up to be able to do it as needed over time.

To be fair, I just solved the problem using sneakernet, but, I was hoping
for a simpler solution that didn't involve a second laptop for copying
two large files from Windows to the iPad.

All I really want/need is an MTP driver for Windows that just works.


iOS has a pretty high rigid walled garden around it. And that is a good
thing. While we may want to spend time backing up and doing security
maintenance on something like our main home desktop or laptop, iPhones
and iPads are appliances that we should (generally) not want to spend a
lot of time and effort backing up and defending. So installing iTunes
on a laptop or desktop is the better way.

You don't like it, tough ****. Find some asinine workaround and bitch
and moan about having to do it. Just do it somewhere else.

The funniest thing about Android users is them touting the simplicity of
copying files from/to their phones while they stupidly ignore the proven
security weakness of the "benefit".
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  #17  
Old August 2nd 15, 03:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad
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Default All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

On 2015-08-02 13:58:56 +0000, Werner Obermeier said:

Big Al wrote in :

Can you put them on a USB on the iPad?


Hmmmmmmmmmmm....... That might work if it works.


http://www.hypershop.com/HyperDrive/iStick/


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Regards,

Savageduck

  #18  
Old August 2nd 15, 03:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general, comp.mobile.ipad
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Default All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

On 2015-08-02 10:19, Werner Obermeier wrote:
.

It's no so easy with an iPad because it's a very rigidly closed system,


It's rigidly closed in order to avoid problems such as:
yet another exploit of Android in a very long list of unclosed items

QUOTE
Zimperium zLabs VP of Platform Research and Exploitation, Joshua J.
Drake (@jduck), dived into the deepest corners of Android code and
discovered what we believe to be the worst Android vulnerabilities
discovered to date. These issues in Stagefright code critically expose
95% of Android devices, an estimated 950 million devices. Drake’s
research, to be presented at Black Hat USA on August 5 and DEF CON 23 on
August 7 found multiple remote code execution vulnerabilities that can
be exploited using various methods, the worst of which requires no
user-interaction.

Attackers only need your mobile number, using which they can remotely
execute code via a specially crafted media file delivered via MMS. A
fully weaponized successful attack could even delete the message before
you see it. You will only see the notification. These vulnerabilities
are extremely dangerous because they do not require that the victim take
any action to be exploited.
END QUOTE

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspen...o-g-oneplus-2/
  #19  
Old August 2nd 15, 03:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad
Werner Obermeier
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Default All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

Pat wrote in :

You seem to be opposed to any idea that isn't exactly how you think it
should work. Why are you so against using the program/drivers
intended for your need? (Yes, the drivers get installed with iTunes.)


I don't really want to go into the rathole of why iTunes is the wrong
answer, just as the cloud is the wrong answer, when all you really want
to do is copy two files from someone else's Windows XP PC to your iPad.

Remember, it's trivial to do this using Android.
And, it's even trivialier (if that's a word) to do this with Linux.

On Android and on Linux, you have copied the file over in about the
time it takes to move the mouse.

Why should it be any more difficult with Windows?

Just install iTunes, use it to get the job done, and then delete it.


You have no idea what iTunes is, if you say "then delete it", but, I
do not want to go down that rathole because saying "delete it" is like
saying to just clean up after a nuclear disaster with handy wipes.

It is not some monster that destroys computers. Many love it. Some
hate it - just like any other software package. I think it is bloated
and easily confuses non-tech users, but it works and can do what you
need for free.


I should be able to copy a file from Windows to the iPad in about the
time that it takes to connect the cable and move the mouse.

Remember, it is already that easy to copy files from and to Linux
from and to the iPad, and it's already just as easy to do with
Android.

So why should interfacing only the iPad with Windows be horridly complex?

A lot of the other ideas presented here work, too. Or,
you can just keep complaining about how stupid everything is.
Your choice.


You have absolutely no grasp of the problem set if you think I'm
complaining.

I'm looking for a solution that is even simpler than the solution
I already affected this morning, which was sneakernet.

Clearly iTunes is NOT a solution as simple as sneakernet, and neither
is the cloud.

Sneakernet worked, but it required the use of a USB stick plus a
second (Linux) laptop.

All I'm asking for is someone with *experience* transferring files
from and to the iPad from and to Windows in the time that it takes
to connect the two devices and move the mouse. That's all.

Clearly you have no experience with that, but I do. It's trivial.
At least with Linux it's trivial. And with Android it's trivial.

I'm just trying to *solve the problem* for Windows.

Three viable solutions have been suggested:
1. MTP drivers for Windows (just like Linux already does handily)
2. Bluetooth between Windows & the iPad (just like Android does)
3. WiFi transfer between Windows & the iPad (just like Android does)

Does *anyone* have experience with those three viable solutions yet?
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Old August 2nd 15, 03:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad
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Default All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I don't own an iPad, so I don't know the intricacies of it, but what you
can do depends on whether it's an iPad 1, 2, or 3. But all should have
Bluetooth and/or Wi-Fi built in. My 5.5 year old iMac has both built in.


none of that matters. they all work the same way.

I know you don't want to use iTunes, but I'd bet that's going to be your
easiest route.


of course it will be the easiest route. it's *very* easy.

It should already be on the iPad.


itunes on the ipad is not needed. it's just a music/movie store.

it's totally different than itunes on the computer, which includes
device management.

I don't own any Apple
devices, so don't know how the syncing works.


who do you think made your 5.5 year old imac?

anyway, syncing is very easy. just plug in the ipad (or iphone), click
sync and whatever selected music, movies, photos, apps, etc. are
copied. it can also be configured to sync automatically and even over
wifi so you don't even need to fuss with a cable or click a button.

but he wants to do it the hard way.

Dropbox or similar would be my cloud choice if you have an account. I
don't care that much for the way it works between computers either, but
I don't use the account for those purposes anyway.


for 2 movies that might work (assuming it fits within whatever dropbox
plan he has), but over time it's going to end up being more than 2
movies. he'll want more after he watches the first two.
  #21  
Old August 2nd 15, 03:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad
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In article , Werner Obermeier
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On Android and on Linux, you have copied the file over in about the
time it takes to move the mouse.


on ios you don't even have to move the mouse.

set it to automatically sync and it just works.
set it to sync over wifi and don't even need to fuss with cables.

Why should it be any more difficult with Windows?


because you're making it more difficult.

you're also trolling.
  #22  
Old August 2nd 15, 03:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad
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| I'm hoping there is an MTP driver that I can load for Windows to make
| it work like it should, which is exactly how it works on Linux.
|

Maybe something like this?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/downl....aspx?id=19153

I don't have an iPad, precisely because of the limited
flexibility. But I did look into them at one point and asked
a "wizard" at the Apple Church whether I could access
the file system to do simple things like load PDF/TXT/HTML
to read on the pad. After some research, the young man
came back and reported that, yes, there's an app for
that. It's called "Explorer". I don't know whether that
will help, but it might be worth looking into. At the basic
level it's really an issue of reading another file system.



  #23  
Old August 2nd 15, 03:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad
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Default All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

Savageduck wrote in
2015080207190197142-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:

...and iMazing
https://imazing.com


Very interesting!

You can't beat their tagline of "total control & abject simplicity"!

I wonder how "iMazing" differs from the "Evernote" suggestion though?

Anyway, I was forced to solve the original problem using sneakernet
(the guest with the WinXP PC already went home this morning), so, at
this point, I'm just looking for the best way it *should* have been
done.

These are the *viable options* for future WinXP:iPad file transfer:
1. Test out the Imazing use model (& compare to the Evernote use model)
2. Load a working MTP driver on Windows (similar to how Linux works)
3. Figure out how to Bluetooth between iPad and Windows (as Android works)
4. Figure out how to WiFi between iPad and Windows (as Android works)

Other options which would likely work but with *far more overhead* a
A. USB cable & iTunes on Windows
B. The cloud
C. A special iPad USB adapter (if it works)
D. Evernote over USB cable
E. Email (but the 800MB files would need to be broken up)

Who has experience with any of the four viable Windows:iPad options?
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Old August 2nd 15, 03:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad
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In article , Mayayana
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| I'm hoping there is an MTP driver that I can load for Windows to make
| it work like it should, which is exactly how it works on Linux.

Maybe something like this?

http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/downl....aspx?id=19153


i doubt that works for ipads.

I don't have an iPad, precisely because of the limited
flexibility.


the only limitation is you.

But I did look into them at one point and asked
a "wizard" at the Apple Church whether I could access
the file system to do simple things like load PDF/TXT/HTML
to read on the pad.


you don't need to access the file system to read any of those.

all you need is an app, of which there are *many*. some are even
included with the device. some will even let you edit. imagine that.

After some research, the young man
came back and reported that, yes, there's an app for
that. It's called "Explorer". I don't know whether that
will help, but it might be worth looking into.


it won't.

At the basic
level it's really an issue of reading another file system.


no it definitely is not.
  #25  
Old August 2nd 15, 03:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad
Werner Obermeier
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Savageduck wrote in
2015080207243285779-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:

Silly attitude, Dropbox and Box will do the job.
Silly attitude, iTunes is the best way to get this done.


The entire task should be done in the time it takes to connect
a cable and move the mouse (as it works with other systems today).

To that end, these are *viable options* for WinXP:iPad file transfer:
1. Test out the Imazing use model (& compare to the Evernote use model)
2. Load a working MTP driver on Windows (similar to how Linux works)
3. Figure out how to Bluetooth between iPad and Windows (as Android works)
4. Figure out how to WiFi between iPad and Windows (as Android works)

Other options which would likely work but with *far more overhead* a
A. USB cable & iTunes on Windows (far too much overhead!)
B. The cloud (why use the cloud to move a file five inches?)
C. A special iPad USB adapter (if it works, but this requires hardware)
D. Email (but the 800MB files would need to be broken up into pieces)

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Old August 2nd 15, 03:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general, comp.mobile.ipad
Alan Browne
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Default All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad

On 2015-08-02 10:48, Werner Obermeier wrote:
Savageduck wrote in
2015080207243285779-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom:

Silly attitude, Dropbox and Box will do the job.
Silly attitude, iTunes is the best way to get this done.


The entire task should be done in the time it takes to connect
a cable and move the mouse (as it works with other systems today).


Yes, those other systems today, notably Android, which have major
security issues because of the myriad ways malware can be loaded onto
them. Apple ringfence well and iTunes/iOS is part of that ringfence.

Get over yourself and your idiotic objections. The time spent arguing
this here could have been used to DL and install iTunes and upload the
files to the iPad.

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Old August 2nd 15, 03:56 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,comp.mobile.ipad
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In article , Werner Obermeier
wrote:


The entire task should be done in the time it takes to connect
a cable and move the mouse (as it works with other systems today).


which is exactly what happens with itunes, and it can even be set to
not needing to move the mouse at all.

in less time than you've spent bitching about how hard it is, you could
have had this all done.
  #29  
Old August 2nd 15, 03:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default All I want to do is bring a file from WinXP over to the iPad



Google drive would work
Jim
 




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