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  #271  
Old October 30th 17, 11:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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Default Convert those dastardly curly quotes to straight quotes on Windows?

Anton Shepelev wrote in
news:20171029235014.1d1e2c558407d4f86374b7a2@gmail .com:

Mike S:

I'd be very happy to have that, thank you for the
generous offer, am already using Notepad++. (My
return email address in this group works.)


Here you are (or here it is):

freeshell.de/~antonius/file_host/Nightfall.zip

The archive contains the scheme you saw in the
screenshot and a futher working draft of it.


Thanks here as well.
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  #272  
Old November 5th 17, 09:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
Anton Shepelev
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Whiskers to Mayayana:

You keep complicating things unnecessarily.
ASCII is valid UTF-8. UTF-8 is not a character
set. It's an encoding method. It defines how
byte values represent characters.


You're the one complicating things, by trying to
deny that UTF-8 is the global standard character
set. Which it is. UTF-8 is not the same as 'Uni-
code', although the terms are often interchanged
erroneously.


I think I understand what Mayayana means. ASCII is
just a character set because it is defined as a sim-
ple mapping of each character to a one-byte value.
Reading such text is a trivial task.

UTF-8, however, is more compicated than that. It is
an encoding method where each character is encoded
as a variable-base number. The reading algorithm is
harder to implement, and the internal storage of
such characters is more cumbersome: you either waste
memory by storing every character as a four-byte
value or implement convoluted and inefficient algo-
rithms to work with the underlying variable-base
stream.

I prefer ASCII for its simplicity. All classic
typesetting systems work with ASCII sources. For
example, \(:u represents u with umlaut in Troff,
which I used to print the bar-joke collection.

Windows-1251 is obsolete.


Why do you think so? It is used extensively in
Runet, and I store my text files in this encoding.
8-bit character sets are perfectly adequate for the
combinations of English and any other language with
fewer than 128 graphemes.

It's also Microsoft-only.


It is so by birth alone. Since classic and modern
editors tend to support both 1251 and KOI8-R, the
problem of incompatibility is virtually non-exis-
tant, and, when required, may be solved through
widely available conversion utilities, such as
iconv. Futhermore, the encoding is so simple that
everyone can write a trivial conversion program.

Where do you get the idea that there's software
that can render UTF-8 but not ANSI? I'd be sur-
prised if such a thing exists. But the opposite
is true. That's why I suggested that sending in
ASCII is a good approach. It's the lowest common
denominator.


You're the one who keeps bringing up ANSI. I
think you probably mean the collection of alterna-
tive (mutually incompatible) Microsoft character
sets that extend ASCII to give some foreign non-
USA alternative characters depending on which
character set is chosen.


Your paragraph is not a reply to Mayayana's. ASCII
indeed is the least common denominator for Latin-
based alphabets.

None of those character sets is compatible with
any of the others, nor with UTF-8 nor of course
with ASCII in that they are supersets of it.


I am not sure which ones you mean, but Windows-1251,
KOI8-R, and all the ISO/IEC 8859 character sets are
perfectly compatible with ASCII. Futhermore, the
witty designers of KOI8-R organised it so that the
removal of the highest bit shall turn Russian text
into a readable transliteration.

They worked well enough for people using their
computers to produce printed documents, but they
weren't designed for the internet and they don't
work well there.


And I think it is the other way round. Good printed
documens often require a richer set of characters
than ASCII provides, whereas on the web they are
rarely needed. I should hate to see '--' for a em-
dash in a printed book but am content with the it on
a web-page.

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  #273  
Old December 28th 17, 11:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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Anton Shepelev
news:20171026153221.05336c1204dc55f9f1b5a4ed@g{oog le}mail.com Thu, 26
Oct 2017 12:32:21 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

Mike S to Anton Shepelev:

My friend has recently developed a syntax-highlit-
ing scheme based on my adivce to imitate on screen
the contrast of good printed text. He did so by
comparing the lightntess of the various font colors
with that of the background in the LAB color space.
From photography I know that printed text has a
contrast from about 9:1 to 15:1, whereas a pitch-
black background produces the maximum contrast of
which your monitor is capable. It is orders of mag-
nitude higher than the comfotalbe value.


Ask and it shall be given unto thee:

https://freeshell.de/~antonius/img_h..._S100_B100.png

Pay attention to the problem on Eternal-Septermber
that prevents propagation. It is not fixed yet.

By the way, 15:1 may be a low estimate because it
corresponds to only four steps.


I'm very late to this conversation, but the color layout in that pic
is very good.


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  #274  
Old December 28th 17, 11:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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Anton Shepelev
news:20171029235014.1d1e2c558407d4f86374b7a2@gmail .com Sun, 29 Oct 2017
20:50:14 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

Mike S:

I'd be very happy to have that, thank you for the
generous offer, am already using Notepad++. (My
return email address in this group works.)


Here you are (or here it is):

freeshell.de/~antonius/file_host/Nightfall.zip

The archive contains the scheme you saw in the
screenshot and a futher working draft of it.


Thank you very much.


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Old December 28th 17, 11:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.usage.english,alt.windows7.general
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Andy Burns
Tue, 17 Oct 2017 16:32:53 GMT
in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

Richard Tobin wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

Jello and jelly aren't quite the same. Jello is a brand name;
it's a commercial product. If you make it yourself, or buy a
different brand, it's not jello.


So what is it?


Gelatine dessert?

What is your generic name for the stuff that Jello,
other brands, and the homemade version are examples of?


The gelatine-based "Jell-O" brand is what we in the UK would
generically call "jelly", but jelly in the states means "jam", as
in PB&J I think.


To confuse this further. We have jelly and jam and they aren't the
same thing. The consistency is different for one.

There are also non-gelatine "Jell-O puddings" the closest similar
branded product in the UK is "Angel Delight" which generically are
called "whipped desserts" here.

Butterscotch anyone?


Butterscotch is one of my favorites...Something I notice isn't shared
with the majority of my family.


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