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  #46  
Old April 9th 04, 11:13 AM
Sharon F
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Default Telephone Dialer?

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:04:02 -0700, MS wrote:

First of all, there is no file anywhere in Windows XP called command.com.


Search again. You should have cmd.exe AND command.com

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User
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  #47  
Old April 9th 04, 11:14 AM
Mark Dormer
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It is definitely there.
I think you have hide systems files turned on.

Regards
Mark Dormer

" MS" wrote in message
...
David, which version of Windows are you using?

Are you aware that all three newsgroups that this thread is in are Windows
XP newsgroups? Your shortcuts do not work in Windows XP.

First of all, there is no file anywhere in Windows XP called command.com.

I
did a search for it, it exists nowhere on the drive. The command for

getting
the command prompt in Windows XP is \Windows\system32\cmd.exe. This is a

DOS
emulator, as Windows XP, like NT, is not based on DOS any more, unlike Win
3.1, 95, 98, and ME.

So, I tried your shortcut with the substitution above, instead of your
\Windows\command.com. Still didn't work. I then opened a command prompt,
typed in ATDT, pressed Enter, and got the error message "no such command".
Modem strings are obviously not recognized as commands at the Windows XP
command prompt.


"David Candy" wrote in message
...
Most people call a some numbers quite frequently. These are usually quite
few, a best friend from home or a partner from work. A Windows shortcut

can
dial a phone. This tip lists two ways of easily dialing frequent numbers.

Windows includes a phone dialer but it's a few mouse clicks to use (6 to
start and click the number, 1 to talk, 1 to exit). This allows two mouse
clicks if it's on the desktop, three if on the Start Menu.

Before going on you'll need to know what com port your modem is connected
to. Open Control Panel and choose Modems. Select your modem and click
Properties. Your Comm Port is listed under Port.


Method 1- Using Shortcuts
a.. Right click the desktop and choose New then Shortcut.
b.. Rename (F2 renames a selected item) the Shortcut Dial Mum (or

whoever
it is)
c.. Right click the shortcut and choose Properties
d.. On the Program tab enter Dialing Mum in the top textbox and
C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /c echo ATDT 99999999 com2 into the Cmd Line
textbox, replacing 99999999 with the phone number you're dialing and com2
with the com port you're modem is conected to. Make sure the Close on Exit
checkbox is checked.
e.. On the Screen tab make sure that Window is selected.
f.. Repeat the above steps and call the second shortcut Answer and use
this Cmd Line - D:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /c echo ATH com2.
g.. Either leave the two shortcuts where they are, or Shift + Drag onto
the Start Menu.
h.. To ring, Double Click the Dial Mum shortcut (or select it on the

Start
Menu) and when the other party answers pick up the phone and Double Click
the Answer shortcut.
Method 2 - Using a Batch File
a.. Right click the desktop and choose New then Text Document.
b.. Rename (F2 renames a selected item) the Text Document Dial Mum.bat

(or
whoever it is)
c.. Right click the MS-Dos Batch File and choose Edit
d.. Add the following lines changing the phone number, name and comm

port
to suit.
@echo off
echo Dialing Mum
echo ATDT 99999999 com2
Echo.
Echo Press any key when Mum answers or you want to hang up.
pause
echo ATH com2
a.. Save the file and exit Notepad. Move the file into C:\windows\command
folder. Right click the file and choose Properties. Make sure Close on

Exit
and Window is checked (see Method 1). A new shortcut file will have been
created with the same name. Move this file onto the Desktop or Start Menu.
Click the batch file to dial and press any key when it answers.
Notes on Phone Numbers
a.. The modem command string listed above ATDT means dial using tone
dialing. Use ATDP if you have a pulse phone.
b.. If you need a pause while dialing use a comma. E.g, 9,99999999.

--
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message
...
Using Windows XP Professional, SP1, all the latest updates on Windows
Update.

What is the Telephone Dialer app used for?

I thought it could come in handy for something, but couldn't get it to

work
right for that purpose. That is, when one tries to dial a number on the
telephone, and it is constantly busy. If one keeps trying to get through
with a telephone, one gets the busy signal, press the "off" button (on a
cordless phone) to hang up the line, wait a few seconds, press the "on"
button again, press "redial". If it's still busy, one has to go through

that
process again. If it's busy for a long time, that could be a tedious
process.

I thought that perhaps with the telephone dialer, the computer could

keep
dialing the number over and over (redialing when it gets a busy signal).
When it finally connects, I would hear the other party's voice on the
computer speaker, perhaps some kind of connect tone from the app, then I
could pick up my telephone to speak.

But I couldn't get it to work that way. When the other line is busy, I

would
get an error message (I don't even think an indication that the line is
busy, perhaps just "no answer".) Just like with the phone, I would have

to
manually click "Redial" to try again. Isn't there a way to set it to

redial
automatically, until it connects?

Is there a way to fix this in the settings?

I tried the "Terminal" app for this purpose as well. It does have a

setting
for "automatic redial", but I couldn't get it to work for my purpose

either.

Is it possible to get any Windows app to work for the purpose I

specified?
If not, how about a third party app one can download? Anyone know of a
dialer app that will do this?






  #48  
Old April 9th 04, 11:26 AM
Lance Joiner
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Default Telephone Dialer?

My computer came with XP preinstalled and I have command.com on it.

" MS" wrote in message
...
I did a complete search of my hard drive, including all hidden files and
folders, etc. No command.com.

Now, if you installed Windows XP on a computer that previously had an
older
OS, and didn't format the hard drive first, it's possible that it still
had
command.com on the hard drive, and it wasn't deleted.

The computer I'm using came with XP installed. That may be the difference.

"Sharon F" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:04:02 -0700, MS wrote:

First of all, there is no file anywhere in Windows XP called

command.com.

Search again. You should have cmd.exe AND command.com

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User





  #49  
Old April 9th 04, 11:26 AM
Lance Joiner
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Default Telephone Dialer?

And cmd.exe

"Lance Joiner" wrote in message
...
My computer came with XP preinstalled and I have command.com on it.

" MS" wrote in message
...
I did a complete search of my hard drive, including all hidden files and
folders, etc. No command.com.

Now, if you installed Windows XP on a computer that previously had an
older
OS, and didn't format the hard drive first, it's possible that it still
had
command.com on the hard drive, and it wasn't deleted.

The computer I'm using came with XP installed. That may be the
difference.

"Sharon F" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:04:02 -0700, MS wrote:

First of all, there is no file anywhere in Windows XP called

command.com.

Search again. You should have cmd.exe AND command.com

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User







  #50  
Old April 9th 04, 11:44 AM
David Candy
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Default Telephone Dialer?

command.com is part of XP. It's a special modified version of Dos 5 =
command.com. It's main feature is that it passes anything typed to =
cmd.exe for execution except if it's given as a command line parameter =
in which case it runs a dos 5 command.

It seems that DUN in XP doesn't hang up the modem correctly.=20

You know if the command processor is working as the command runs with no =
errors or messages (regardless if the modem does anything). If there is =
a message then you typed it wrong or you can't access the hardware.

Try sending the hangup command
echo ATH
before=20
ATDT 97467777

--=20
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http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message =
...
No, I do not have hide system files turn one.
=20
I would suspect that as with Sharon, you are probably using a computer =

that
had an earlier OS on it, that you later upgraded to XP, and =

command.com was
still there.
=20
"Mark Dormer" wrote in message
...
It is definitely there.
I think you have hide systems files turned on.

Regards
Mark Dormer

" MS" wrote in message
...
David, which version of Windows are you using?

Are you aware that all three newsgroups that this thread is in are

Windows
XP newsgroups? Your shortcuts do not work in Windows XP.

First of all, there is no file anywhere in Windows XP called

command.com.
I
did a search for it, it exists nowhere on the drive. The command =

for
getting
the command prompt in Windows XP is \Windows\system32\cmd.exe. =

This is a
DOS
emulator, as Windows XP, like NT, is not based on DOS any more, =

unlike
Win
3.1, 95, 98, and ME.

So, I tried your shortcut with the substitution above, instead of =

your
\Windows\command.com. Still didn't work. I then opened a command =

prompt,
typed in ATDT, pressed Enter, and got the error message "no such

command".
Modem strings are obviously not recognized as commands at the =

Windows XP
command prompt.


"David Candy" wrote in message
...
Most people call a some numbers quite frequently. These are =

usually
quite
few, a best friend from home or a partner from work. A Windows =

shortcut
can
dial a phone. This tip lists two ways of easily dialing frequent

numbers.

Windows includes a phone dialer but it's a few mouse clicks to use =

(6 to
start and click the number, 1 to talk, 1 to exit). This allows two =

mouse
clicks if it's on the desktop, three if on the Start Menu.

Before going on you'll need to know what com port your modem is

connected
to. Open Control Panel and choose Modems. Select your modem and =

click
Properties. Your Comm Port is listed under Port.


Method 1- Using Shortcuts
a.. Right click the desktop and choose New then Shortcut.
b.. Rename (F2 renames a selected item) the Shortcut Dial Mum =

(or
whoever
it is)
c.. Right click the shortcut and choose Properties
d.. On the Program tab enter Dialing Mum in the top textbox and
C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /c echo ATDT 99999999 com2 into the Cmd =

Line
textbox, replacing 99999999 with the phone number you're dialing =

and
com2
with the com port you're modem is conected to. Make sure the Close =

on
Exit
checkbox is checked.
e.. On the Screen tab make sure that Window is selected.
f.. Repeat the above steps and call the second shortcut Answer =

and use
this Cmd Line - D:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /c echo ATH com2.
g.. Either leave the two shortcuts where they are, or Shift + =

Drag
onto
the Start Menu.
h.. To ring, Double Click the Dial Mum shortcut (or select it on =

the
Start
Menu) and when the other party answers pick up the phone and =

Double
Click
the Answer shortcut.
Method 2 - Using a Batch File
a.. Right click the desktop and choose New then Text Document.
b.. Rename (F2 renames a selected item) the Text Document Dial =

Mum.bat
(or
whoever it is)
c.. Right click the MS-Dos Batch File and choose Edit
d.. Add the following lines changing the phone number, name and =

comm
port
to suit.
@echo off
echo Dialing Mum
echo ATDT 99999999 com2
Echo.
Echo Press any key when Mum answers or you want to hang up.
pause
echo ATH com2
a.. Save the file and exit Notepad. Move the file into

C:\windows\command
folder. Right click the file and choose Properties. Make sure =

Close on
Exit
and Window is checked (see Method 1). A new shortcut file will =

have been
created with the same name. Move this file onto the Desktop or =

Start
Menu.
Click the batch file to dial and press any key when it answers.
Notes on Phone Numbers
a.. The modem command string listed above ATDT means dial using =

tone
dialing. Use ATDP if you have a pulse phone.
b.. If you need a pause while dialing use a comma. E.g, =

9,99999999.

--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message
...
Using Windows XP Professional, SP1, all the latest updates on =

Windows
Update.

What is the Telephone Dialer app used for?

I thought it could come in handy for something, but couldn't get =

it to
work
right for that purpose. That is, when one tries to dial a number =

on
the
telephone, and it is constantly busy. If one keeps trying to get

through
with a telephone, one gets the busy signal, press the "off" =

button (on
a
cordless phone) to hang up the line, wait a few seconds, press =

the
"on"
button again, press "redial". If it's still busy, one has to go

through
that
process again. If it's busy for a long time, that could be a =

tedious
process.

I thought that perhaps with the telephone dialer, the computer =

could
keep
dialing the number over and over (redialing when it gets a busy

signal).
When it finally connects, I would hear the other party's voice =

on the
computer speaker, perhaps some kind of connect tone from the =

app, then
I
could pick up my telephone to speak.

But I couldn't get it to work that way. When the other line is =

busy, I
would
get an error message (I don't even think an indication that the =

line
is
busy, perhaps just "no answer".) Just like with the phone, I =

would
have
to
manually click "Redial" to try again. Isn't there a way to set =

it to
redial
automatically, until it connects?

Is there a way to fix this in the settings?

I tried the "Terminal" app for this purpose as well. It does =

have a
setting
for "automatic redial", but I couldn't get it to work for my =

purpose
either.

Is it possible to get any Windows app to work for the purpose I

specified?
If not, how about a third party app one can download? Anyone =

know of a
dialer app that will do this?






=20

  #51  
Old April 9th 04, 02:58 PM
David Candy
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Posts: n/a
Default Telephone Dialer?

1. In both Austria and Germany a modem will block after 12 attempts. It =
IS illegal to connect a non approved modem to the phone network. Modems =
are different in each country sold. EG. Polish modems require extra =
electronics to work on their sub standard phone lines.=20

[Minimum time between 1st and 2nd try: 5secs;
" " " 2nd " 3rd try: 60secs;
No more than 12 tries to the same number if no answering tone is
received;
After 12 failed tries, a minimum waiting time of 1 hour before =
attempting
the same number.]

(I can't access my own countries web site - bloody DNS)
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message =
...
Are you using Windows XP? I just looked in Network Connections at the
dialing properties for dial-up to my ISP. I have the time between =

redial
attempts set to 1 second. (It hasn't landed either my modem or myself =

in
jail yet, perhaps we'll get caught soon. ;-) ) Number of redial =

attempts is
set to 300, and I think it can go higher. I don't think I've ever had =

to
redial my ISP 300 times to connect, but I don't think my modem will =

"refuse
to dial" after a certain number of attempts. So, I think you are =

speaking
of a limitation of your modem, not a government "law" concerning =

redials.
=20
No, David, automatic redialing is not "against the law", it does not =

kill
anyone ;-), and is not a problem with most modems.
=20
Back to my original question--is there no way to do an automatic =

redial for
a voice call--so that if one is trying to dial a customer service =

line, for
example, that is usually busy, so that it will keep dialing =

automatically
until it connects, to save the person a lot of time and trouble of =

doing it
over and over manually with a telephone?
=20
If none of the XP telephony apps will do that (I'm surprised that =

"telephone
dialer" won't) (or I didn't figure out how to do it), are there third =

party
apps that will do that?
=20
"David Candy" wrote in message
...
If one connects 240V to the phone line other's (esp the coroner) get =

upset.
But look at the default timing on the redial. Mine is 60 secs. I have =

a very
expensive modem, if somewhat old (I ain't using a faster $30 modem to
replace my $400 modem). It will refuse to dial after x number of =

attemps in
x amount of time (been 5 years since I've dialed that many times)
=20
--=20
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http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message
...

"David Candy" wrote in message
...
It is actually illegal (for the modem not people) to repeatedly dial =

a
number. (telephone companies network won't survive millions of =

modems
doing
it). The modem must have approval to connect to a phone line (mainly =

to
stop
someone electrocuting their neighbours and workers at the exchange, =

and
destroying the exchange). Whoever (FTC or AusTel) will refuse =

approval.
Windows enforces it, the modem also will enforce it. The actual =

rules
depends on what country you live in (or more accurately what country
windows/modem think you're in).

MS Replied:

Is there a jail for errant modems??? ;-)

I don't see how that could be true? If I dial-up to my ISP (yes, I =

have an
ancient dial-up connection) and the line is busy, the modem will

"repeatedly
dial a number" (the ISP access number) until it connects. You can =

set how
many seconds between retries, etc.

Why couldn't the same be done for a voice call?

"Electrocuting their neighbors and workers at the exchange"? How? (I =

guess
those killer modems again.) (New science fiction flick--"the revenge =

of
the
killer modems".)


=20

  #52  
Old April 9th 04, 03:02 PM
David Candy
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Telephone Dialer?

As I said it works on EXTERNAL modems only. It also seems to need the =
modem to be free (eg not in use or recently in use by windows). It HAS =
been tested on XP.

--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message =
...
David, which version of Windows are you using?
=20
Are you aware that all three newsgroups that this thread is in are =

Windows
XP newsgroups? Your shortcuts do not work in Windows XP.
=20
First of all, there is no file anywhere in Windows XP called =

command.com. I
did a search for it, it exists nowhere on the drive. The command for =

getting
the command prompt in Windows XP is \Windows\system32\cmd.exe. This is =

a DOS
emulator, as Windows XP, like NT, is not based on DOS any more, unlike =

Win
3.1, 95, 98, and ME.
=20
So, I tried your shortcut with the substitution above, instead of your
\Windows\command.com. Still didn't work. I then opened a command =

prompt,
typed in ATDT, pressed Enter, and got the error message "no such =

command".
Modem strings are obviously not recognized as commands at the Windows =

XP
command prompt.
=20
=20
"David Candy" wrote in message
...
Most people call a some numbers quite frequently. These are usually =

quite
few, a best friend from home or a partner from work. A Windows =

shortcut can
dial a phone. This tip lists two ways of easily dialing frequent =

numbers.
=20
Windows includes a phone dialer but it's a few mouse clicks to use (6 =

to
start and click the number, 1 to talk, 1 to exit). This allows two =

mouse
clicks if it's on the desktop, three if on the Start Menu.
=20
Before going on you'll need to know what com port your modem is =

connected
to. Open Control Panel and choose Modems. Select your modem and click
Properties. Your Comm Port is listed under Port.
=20
=20
Method 1- Using Shortcuts
a.. Right click the desktop and choose New then Shortcut.
b.. Rename (F2 renames a selected item) the Shortcut Dial Mum (or =

whoever
it is)
c.. Right click the shortcut and choose Properties
d.. On the Program tab enter Dialing Mum in the top textbox and
C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /c echo ATDT 99999999 com2 into the Cmd Line
textbox, replacing 99999999 with the phone number you're dialing and =

com2
with the com port you're modem is conected to. Make sure the Close on =

Exit
checkbox is checked.
e.. On the Screen tab make sure that Window is selected.
f.. Repeat the above steps and call the second shortcut Answer and =

use
this Cmd Line - D:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /c echo ATH com2.
g.. Either leave the two shortcuts where they are, or Shift + Drag =

onto
the Start Menu.
h.. To ring, Double Click the Dial Mum shortcut (or select it on the =

Start
Menu) and when the other party answers pick up the phone and Double =

Click
the Answer shortcut.
Method 2 - Using a Batch File
a.. Right click the desktop and choose New then Text Document.
b.. Rename (F2 renames a selected item) the Text Document Dial =

Mum.bat (or
whoever it is)
c.. Right click the MS-Dos Batch File and choose Edit
d.. Add the following lines changing the phone number, name and comm =

port
to suit.
@echo off
echo Dialing Mum
echo ATDT 99999999 com2
Echo.
Echo Press any key when Mum answers or you want to hang up.
pause
echo ATH com2
a.. Save the file and exit Notepad. Move the file into =

C:\windows\command
folder. Right click the file and choose Properties. Make sure Close on =

Exit
and Window is checked (see Method 1). A new shortcut file will have =

been
created with the same name. Move this file onto the Desktop or Start =

Menu.
Click the batch file to dial and press any key when it answers.
Notes on Phone Numbers
a.. The modem command string listed above ATDT means dial using tone
dialing. Use ATDP if you have a pulse phone.
b.. If you need a pause while dialing use a comma. E.g, 9,99999999.
=20
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message
...
Using Windows XP Professional, SP1, all the latest updates on =

Windows
Update.

What is the Telephone Dialer app used for?

I thought it could come in handy for something, but couldn't get it =

to
work
right for that purpose. That is, when one tries to dial a number on =

the
telephone, and it is constantly busy. If one keeps trying to get =

through
with a telephone, one gets the busy signal, press the "off" button =

(on a
cordless phone) to hang up the line, wait a few seconds, press the =

"on"
button again, press "redial". If it's still busy, one has to go =

through
that
process again. If it's busy for a long time, that could be a tedious
process.

I thought that perhaps with the telephone dialer, the computer could =

keep
dialing the number over and over (redialing when it gets a busy =

signal).
When it finally connects, I would hear the other party's voice on =

the
computer speaker, perhaps some kind of connect tone from the app, =

then I
could pick up my telephone to speak.

But I couldn't get it to work that way. When the other line is busy, =

I
would
get an error message (I don't even think an indication that the line =

is
busy, perhaps just "no answer".) Just like with the phone, I would =

have to
manually click "Redial" to try again. Isn't there a way to set it to

redial
automatically, until it connects?

Is there a way to fix this in the settings?

I tried the "Terminal" app for this purpose as well. It does have a

setting
for "automatic redial", but I couldn't get it to work for my purpose

either.

Is it possible to get any Windows app to work for the purpose I =

specified?
If not, how about a third party app one can download? Anyone know of =

a
dialer app that will do this?


=20

  #53  
Old April 9th 04, 03:13 PM
David Candy
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Telephone Dialer?

Here's some Australian infomation (Note Austrians get upset when you =
confuse them with Australians - Australians are used to it. Austrians =
wear T-shirts saying they're not Australians - Australians don't think =
about Austrians. Previous post was about AUSTRIA - this one is about =
AUSTRALIA)

a.. The modem must not answer an incoming call less than two seconds =
after the first ring signal. As a =D2rule-of-thumb=D3 your modem should =
be set so it answers incoming calls after the second ring (ATS0=3D2).=20
b.. If Busy signal detection is switched off, the modem must not =
attempt more than two automatic redials and must wait at least two =
seconds before redialling.=20
c.. If Busy signal detection is switched on, the modem must not =
attempt more than nine automatic redials and must wait at least two =
seconds before redialling.=20
d.. If, after redialling the maximum number of times, the modem is =
still unable to establish a connection you must wait 30 minutes before =
attempting to redial.=20
e.. The use of Bell standard 103 and 212A is not permitted in =
Australia. Use of these modes will cause your modem to lose its permit =
status.=20
Changing the default values of the modem, in such a way as to cause your =
modem to operate in a non-compliant manner when connected to a =
telecommunications network operated by a carrier, is contrary to the =
Telecommunications Act 1991 and may result in penalties of $12,000.

--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"David Candy" wrote in message =
...
1. In both Austria and Germany a modem will block after 12 attempts. It =
IS illegal to connect a non approved modem to the phone network. Modems =
are different in each country sold. EG. Polish modems require extra =
electronics to work on their sub standard phone lines.=20

[Minimum time between 1st and 2nd try: 5secs;
" " " 2nd " 3rd try: 60secs;
No more than 12 tries to the same number if no answering tone is
received;
After 12 failed tries, a minimum waiting time of 1 hour before =
attempting
the same number.]

(I can't access my own countries web site - bloody DNS)
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message =
...
Are you using Windows XP? I just looked in Network Connections at the
dialing properties for dial-up to my ISP. I have the time between =

redial
attempts set to 1 second. (It hasn't landed either my modem or myself =

in
jail yet, perhaps we'll get caught soon. ;-) ) Number of redial =

attempts is
set to 300, and I think it can go higher. I don't think I've ever had =

to
redial my ISP 300 times to connect, but I don't think my modem will =

"refuse
to dial" after a certain number of attempts. So, I think you are =

speaking
of a limitation of your modem, not a government "law" concerning =

redials.
=20
No, David, automatic redialing is not "against the law", it does not =

kill
anyone ;-), and is not a problem with most modems.
=20
Back to my original question--is there no way to do an automatic =

redial for
a voice call--so that if one is trying to dial a customer service =

line, for
example, that is usually busy, so that it will keep dialing =

automatically
until it connects, to save the person a lot of time and trouble of =

doing it
over and over manually with a telephone?
=20
If none of the XP telephony apps will do that (I'm surprised that =

"telephone
dialer" won't) (or I didn't figure out how to do it), are there third =

party
apps that will do that?
=20
"David Candy" wrote in message
...
If one connects 240V to the phone line other's (esp the coroner) get =

upset.
But look at the default timing on the redial. Mine is 60 secs. I have =

a very
expensive modem, if somewhat old (I ain't using a faster $30 modem to
replace my $400 modem). It will refuse to dial after x number of =

attemps in
x amount of time (been 5 years since I've dialed that many times)
=20
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message
...

"David Candy" wrote in message
...
It is actually illegal (for the modem not people) to repeatedly dial =

a
number. (telephone companies network won't survive millions of =

modems
doing
it). The modem must have approval to connect to a phone line (mainly =

to
stop
someone electrocuting their neighbours and workers at the exchange, =

and
destroying the exchange). Whoever (FTC or AusTel) will refuse =

approval.
Windows enforces it, the modem also will enforce it. The actual =

rules
depends on what country you live in (or more accurately what country
windows/modem think you're in).

MS Replied:

Is there a jail for errant modems??? ;-)

I don't see how that could be true? If I dial-up to my ISP (yes, I =

have an
ancient dial-up connection) and the line is busy, the modem will

"repeatedly
dial a number" (the ISP access number) until it connects. You can =

set how
many seconds between retries, etc.

Why couldn't the same be done for a voice call?

"Electrocuting their neighbors and workers at the exchange"? How? (I =

guess
those killer modems again.) (New science fiction flick--"the revenge =

of
the
killer modems".)


=20

  #54  
Old April 9th 04, 03:13 PM
David Candy
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Telephone Dialer?

And in New Zealand

a.. Equipment connected to the RS 232 port shall be certified to meet =
the requirements of Reg. 18 of the New Zealand Wiring Regulations 1976.=20
b.. When the user manually initiates a call, via equipment connected =
to the RS232 port, the equipment shall operate within the following =
restrictions:=20
c.. Not more than 5 call attempts shall be made to the same number =
within a one hour period.=20
d.. There shall be at least 60 seconds between call attempts.=20
e.. Not more than a total of 10 call attempts shall be made to the =
same number for any single manual call initiation.=20
f.. Automatic calls to different numbers shall be not less than 5 =
seconds apart.=20
FAILURE TO MEET THE ABOVE REQUIREMENTS MAY NEGATE THE USER RIGHTS UNDER =
THE TELECOM TERMS OF SERVICE.


--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"David Candy" wrote in message =
...
1. In both Austria and Germany a modem will block after 12 attempts. It =
IS illegal to connect a non approved modem to the phone network. Modems =
are different in each country sold. EG. Polish modems require extra =
electronics to work on their sub standard phone lines.=20

[Minimum time between 1st and 2nd try: 5secs;
" " " 2nd " 3rd try: 60secs;
No more than 12 tries to the same number if no answering tone is
received;
After 12 failed tries, a minimum waiting time of 1 hour before =
attempting
the same number.]

(I can't access my own countries web site - bloody DNS)
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message =
...
Are you using Windows XP? I just looked in Network Connections at the
dialing properties for dial-up to my ISP. I have the time between =

redial
attempts set to 1 second. (It hasn't landed either my modem or myself =

in
jail yet, perhaps we'll get caught soon. ;-) ) Number of redial =

attempts is
set to 300, and I think it can go higher. I don't think I've ever had =

to
redial my ISP 300 times to connect, but I don't think my modem will =

"refuse
to dial" after a certain number of attempts. So, I think you are =

speaking
of a limitation of your modem, not a government "law" concerning =

redials.
=20
No, David, automatic redialing is not "against the law", it does not =

kill
anyone ;-), and is not a problem with most modems.
=20
Back to my original question--is there no way to do an automatic =

redial for
a voice call--so that if one is trying to dial a customer service =

line, for
example, that is usually busy, so that it will keep dialing =

automatically
until it connects, to save the person a lot of time and trouble of =

doing it
over and over manually with a telephone?
=20
If none of the XP telephony apps will do that (I'm surprised that =

"telephone
dialer" won't) (or I didn't figure out how to do it), are there third =

party
apps that will do that?
=20
"David Candy" wrote in message
...
If one connects 240V to the phone line other's (esp the coroner) get =

upset.
But look at the default timing on the redial. Mine is 60 secs. I have =

a very
expensive modem, if somewhat old (I ain't using a faster $30 modem to
replace my $400 modem). It will refuse to dial after x number of =

attemps in
x amount of time (been 5 years since I've dialed that many times)
=20
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message
...

"David Candy" wrote in message
...
It is actually illegal (for the modem not people) to repeatedly dial =

a
number. (telephone companies network won't survive millions of =

modems
doing
it). The modem must have approval to connect to a phone line (mainly =

to
stop
someone electrocuting their neighbours and workers at the exchange, =

and
destroying the exchange). Whoever (FTC or AusTel) will refuse =

approval.
Windows enforces it, the modem also will enforce it. The actual =

rules
depends on what country you live in (or more accurately what country
windows/modem think you're in).

MS Replied:

Is there a jail for errant modems??? ;-)

I don't see how that could be true? If I dial-up to my ISP (yes, I =

have an
ancient dial-up connection) and the line is busy, the modem will

"repeatedly
dial a number" (the ISP access number) until it connects. You can =

set how
many seconds between retries, etc.

Why couldn't the same be done for a voice call?

"Electrocuting their neighbors and workers at the exchange"? How? (I =

guess
those killer modems again.) (New science fiction flick--"the revenge =

of
the
killer modems".)


=20

  #55  
Old April 9th 04, 03:15 PM
David Candy
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Telephone Dialer?

28 years ago, when I used to connect lines at the exchange, I used to =
get electricaly shocked frequently. Telephones operate at 50v dc with =
the ring about 110v ac. I used to climb a big ladder at the MDF, lean =
over and put (or remove) clips on the line. I used to lean over and hold =
on to other connections for balance (easier than moving the ladder). If =
somone rang the number while I was holding it I used to jerk from shock =
about screaming "answer your bloody phone" as I had to hold on or fall =
15 foot.

--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"David Candy" wrote in message =
...
And in New Zealand

a.. Equipment connected to the RS 232 port shall be certified to meet =
the requirements of Reg. 18 of the New Zealand Wiring Regulations 1976.=20
b.. When the user manually initiates a call, via equipment connected =
to the RS232 port, the equipment shall operate within the following =
restrictions:=20
c.. Not more than 5 call attempts shall be made to the same number =
within a one hour period.=20
d.. There shall be at least 60 seconds between call attempts.=20
e.. Not more than a total of 10 call attempts shall be made to the =
same number for any single manual call initiation.=20
f.. Automatic calls to different numbers shall be not less than 5 =
seconds apart.=20
FAILURE TO MEET THE ABOVE REQUIREMENTS MAY NEGATE THE USER RIGHTS UNDER =
THE TELECOM TERMS OF SERVICE.


--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
"David Candy" wrote in message =
...
1. In both Austria and Germany a modem will block after 12 attempts. It =
IS illegal to connect a non approved modem to the phone network. Modems =
are different in each country sold. EG. Polish modems require extra =
electronics to work on their sub standard phone lines.=20

[Minimum time between 1st and 2nd try: 5secs;
" " " 2nd " 3rd try: 60secs;
No more than 12 tries to the same number if no answering tone is
received;
After 12 failed tries, a minimum waiting time of 1 hour before =
attempting
the same number.]

(I can't access my own countries web site - bloody DNS)
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message =
...
Are you using Windows XP? I just looked in Network Connections at the
dialing properties for dial-up to my ISP. I have the time between =

redial
attempts set to 1 second. (It hasn't landed either my modem or myself =

in
jail yet, perhaps we'll get caught soon. ;-) ) Number of redial =

attempts is
set to 300, and I think it can go higher. I don't think I've ever had =

to
redial my ISP 300 times to connect, but I don't think my modem will =

"refuse
to dial" after a certain number of attempts. So, I think you are =

speaking
of a limitation of your modem, not a government "law" concerning =

redials.
=20
No, David, automatic redialing is not "against the law", it does not =

kill
anyone ;-), and is not a problem with most modems.
=20
Back to my original question--is there no way to do an automatic =

redial for
a voice call--so that if one is trying to dial a customer service =

line, for
example, that is usually busy, so that it will keep dialing =

automatically
until it connects, to save the person a lot of time and trouble of =

doing it
over and over manually with a telephone?
=20
If none of the XP telephony apps will do that (I'm surprised that =

"telephone
dialer" won't) (or I didn't figure out how to do it), are there third =

party
apps that will do that?
=20
"David Candy" wrote in message
...
If one connects 240V to the phone line other's (esp the coroner) get =

upset.
But look at the default timing on the redial. Mine is 60 secs. I have =

a very
expensive modem, if somewhat old (I ain't using a faster $30 modem to
replace my $400 modem). It will refuse to dial after x number of =

attemps in
x amount of time (been 5 years since I've dialed that many times)
=20
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message
...

"David Candy" wrote in message
...
It is actually illegal (for the modem not people) to repeatedly dial =

a
number. (telephone companies network won't survive millions of =

modems
doing
it). The modem must have approval to connect to a phone line (mainly =

to
stop
someone electrocuting their neighbours and workers at the exchange, =

and
destroying the exchange). Whoever (FTC or AusTel) will refuse =

approval.
Windows enforces it, the modem also will enforce it. The actual =

rules
depends on what country you live in (or more accurately what country
windows/modem think you're in).

MS Replied:

Is there a jail for errant modems??? ;-)

I don't see how that could be true? If I dial-up to my ISP (yes, I =

have an
ancient dial-up connection) and the line is busy, the modem will

"repeatedly
dial a number" (the ISP access number) until it connects. You can =

set how
many seconds between retries, etc.

Why couldn't the same be done for a voice call?

"Electrocuting their neighbors and workers at the exchange"? How? (I =

guess
those killer modems again.) (New science fiction flick--"the revenge =

of
the
killer modems".)


=20

  #56  
Old April 9th 04, 04:07 PM
MS
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Telephone Dialer?

I did a complete search of my hard drive, including all hidden files and
folders, etc. No command.com.

Now, if you installed Windows XP on a computer that previously had an older
OS, and didn't format the hard drive first, it's possible that it still had
command.com on the hard drive, and it wasn't deleted.

The computer I'm using came with XP installed. That may be the difference.

"Sharon F" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 14:04:02 -0700, MS wrote:

First of all, there is no file anywhere in Windows XP called

command.com.

Search again. You should have cmd.exe AND command.com

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User



  #57  
Old April 9th 04, 04:07 PM
MS
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Telephone Dialer?

No, I do not have hide system files turn one.

I would suspect that as with Sharon, you are probably using a computer that
had an earlier OS on it, that you later upgraded to XP, and command.com was
still there.

"Mark Dormer" wrote in message
...
It is definitely there.
I think you have hide systems files turned on.

Regards
Mark Dormer

" MS" wrote in message
...
David, which version of Windows are you using?

Are you aware that all three newsgroups that this thread is in are

Windows
XP newsgroups? Your shortcuts do not work in Windows XP.

First of all, there is no file anywhere in Windows XP called

command.com.
I
did a search for it, it exists nowhere on the drive. The command for

getting
the command prompt in Windows XP is \Windows\system32\cmd.exe. This is a

DOS
emulator, as Windows XP, like NT, is not based on DOS any more, unlike

Win
3.1, 95, 98, and ME.

So, I tried your shortcut with the substitution above, instead of your
\Windows\command.com. Still didn't work. I then opened a command prompt,
typed in ATDT, pressed Enter, and got the error message "no such

command".
Modem strings are obviously not recognized as commands at the Windows XP
command prompt.


"David Candy" wrote in message
...
Most people call a some numbers quite frequently. These are usually

quite
few, a best friend from home or a partner from work. A Windows shortcut

can
dial a phone. This tip lists two ways of easily dialing frequent

numbers.

Windows includes a phone dialer but it's a few mouse clicks to use (6 to
start and click the number, 1 to talk, 1 to exit). This allows two mouse
clicks if it's on the desktop, three if on the Start Menu.

Before going on you'll need to know what com port your modem is

connected
to. Open Control Panel and choose Modems. Select your modem and click
Properties. Your Comm Port is listed under Port.


Method 1- Using Shortcuts
a.. Right click the desktop and choose New then Shortcut.
b.. Rename (F2 renames a selected item) the Shortcut Dial Mum (or

whoever
it is)
c.. Right click the shortcut and choose Properties
d.. On the Program tab enter Dialing Mum in the top textbox and
C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /c echo ATDT 99999999 com2 into the Cmd Line
textbox, replacing 99999999 with the phone number you're dialing and

com2
with the com port you're modem is conected to. Make sure the Close on

Exit
checkbox is checked.
e.. On the Screen tab make sure that Window is selected.
f.. Repeat the above steps and call the second shortcut Answer and use
this Cmd Line - D:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /c echo ATH com2.
g.. Either leave the two shortcuts where they are, or Shift + Drag

onto
the Start Menu.
h.. To ring, Double Click the Dial Mum shortcut (or select it on the

Start
Menu) and when the other party answers pick up the phone and Double

Click
the Answer shortcut.
Method 2 - Using a Batch File
a.. Right click the desktop and choose New then Text Document.
b.. Rename (F2 renames a selected item) the Text Document Dial Mum.bat

(or
whoever it is)
c.. Right click the MS-Dos Batch File and choose Edit
d.. Add the following lines changing the phone number, name and comm

port
to suit.
@echo off
echo Dialing Mum
echo ATDT 99999999 com2
Echo.
Echo Press any key when Mum answers or you want to hang up.
pause
echo ATH com2
a.. Save the file and exit Notepad. Move the file into

C:\windows\command
folder. Right click the file and choose Properties. Make sure Close on

Exit
and Window is checked (see Method 1). A new shortcut file will have been
created with the same name. Move this file onto the Desktop or Start

Menu.
Click the batch file to dial and press any key when it answers.
Notes on Phone Numbers
a.. The modem command string listed above ATDT means dial using tone
dialing. Use ATDP if you have a pulse phone.
b.. If you need a pause while dialing use a comma. E.g, 9,99999999.

--
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message
...
Using Windows XP Professional, SP1, all the latest updates on Windows
Update.

What is the Telephone Dialer app used for?

I thought it could come in handy for something, but couldn't get it to

work
right for that purpose. That is, when one tries to dial a number on

the
telephone, and it is constantly busy. If one keeps trying to get

through
with a telephone, one gets the busy signal, press the "off" button (on

a
cordless phone) to hang up the line, wait a few seconds, press the

"on"
button again, press "redial". If it's still busy, one has to go

through
that
process again. If it's busy for a long time, that could be a tedious
process.

I thought that perhaps with the telephone dialer, the computer could

keep
dialing the number over and over (redialing when it gets a busy

signal).
When it finally connects, I would hear the other party's voice on the
computer speaker, perhaps some kind of connect tone from the app, then

I
could pick up my telephone to speak.

But I couldn't get it to work that way. When the other line is busy, I

would
get an error message (I don't even think an indication that the line

is
busy, perhaps just "no answer".) Just like with the phone, I would

have
to
manually click "Redial" to try again. Isn't there a way to set it to

redial
automatically, until it connects?

Is there a way to fix this in the settings?

I tried the "Terminal" app for this purpose as well. It does have a

setting
for "automatic redial", but I couldn't get it to work for my purpose

either.

Is it possible to get any Windows app to work for the purpose I

specified?
If not, how about a third party app one can download? Anyone know of a
dialer app that will do this?








  #58  
Old April 9th 04, 04:14 PM
David Candy
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Telephone Dialer?

1. In both Austria and Germany a modem will block after 12 attempts. It =
IS illegal to connect a non approved modem to the phone network. Modems =
are different in each country sold. EG. Polish modems require extra =
electronics to work on their sub standard phone lines.=20

[Minimum time between 1st and 2nd try: 5secs;
" " " 2nd " 3rd try: 60secs;
No more than 12 tries to the same number if no answering tone is
received;
After 12 failed tries, a minimum waiting time of 1 hour before =
attempting
the same number.]

(I can't access my own countries web site - bloody DNS)
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message =
...
Are you using Windows XP? I just looked in Network Connections at the
dialing properties for dial-up to my ISP. I have the time between =

redial
attempts set to 1 second. (It hasn't landed either my modem or myself =

in
jail yet, perhaps we'll get caught soon. ;-) ) Number of redial =

attempts is
set to 300, and I think it can go higher. I don't think I've ever had =

to
redial my ISP 300 times to connect, but I don't think my modem will =

"refuse
to dial" after a certain number of attempts. So, I think you are =

speaking
of a limitation of your modem, not a government "law" concerning =

redials.
=20
No, David, automatic redialing is not "against the law", it does not =

kill
anyone ;-), and is not a problem with most modems.
=20
Back to my original question--is there no way to do an automatic =

redial for
a voice call--so that if one is trying to dial a customer service =

line, for
example, that is usually busy, so that it will keep dialing =

automatically
until it connects, to save the person a lot of time and trouble of =

doing it
over and over manually with a telephone?
=20
If none of the XP telephony apps will do that (I'm surprised that =

"telephone
dialer" won't) (or I didn't figure out how to do it), are there third =

party
apps that will do that?
=20
"David Candy" wrote in message
...
If one connects 240V to the phone line other's (esp the coroner) get =

upset.
But look at the default timing on the redial. Mine is 60 secs. I have =

a very
expensive modem, if somewhat old (I ain't using a faster $30 modem to
replace my $400 modem). It will refuse to dial after x number of =

attemps in
x amount of time (been 5 years since I've dialed that many times)
=20
--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message
...

"David Candy" wrote in message
...
It is actually illegal (for the modem not people) to repeatedly dial =

a
number. (telephone companies network won't survive millions of =

modems
doing
it). The modem must have approval to connect to a phone line (mainly =

to
stop
someone electrocuting their neighbours and workers at the exchange, =

and
destroying the exchange). Whoever (FTC or AusTel) will refuse =

approval.
Windows enforces it, the modem also will enforce it. The actual =

rules
depends on what country you live in (or more accurately what country
windows/modem think you're in).

MS Replied:

Is there a jail for errant modems??? ;-)

I don't see how that could be true? If I dial-up to my ISP (yes, I =

have an
ancient dial-up connection) and the line is busy, the modem will

"repeatedly
dial a number" (the ISP access number) until it connects. You can =

set how
many seconds between retries, etc.

Why couldn't the same be done for a voice call?

"Electrocuting their neighbors and workers at the exchange"? How? (I =

guess
those killer modems again.) (New science fiction flick--"the revenge =

of
the
killer modems".)


=20

  #59  
Old April 9th 04, 04:17 PM
David Candy
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Telephone Dialer?

As I said it works on EXTERNAL modems only. It also seems to need the =
modem to be free (eg not in use or recently in use by windows). It HAS =
been tested on XP.

--=20
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.g2mil.com/Dec2003.htm
" MS" wrote in message =
...
David, which version of Windows are you using?
=20
Are you aware that all three newsgroups that this thread is in are =

Windows
XP newsgroups? Your shortcuts do not work in Windows XP.
=20
First of all, there is no file anywhere in Windows XP called =

command.com. I
did a search for it, it exists nowhere on the drive. The command for =

getting
the command prompt in Windows XP is \Windows\system32\cmd.exe. This is =

a DOS
emulator, as Windows XP, like NT, is not based on DOS any more, unlike =

Win
3.1, 95, 98, and ME.
=20
So, I tried your shortcut with the substitution above, instead of your
\Windows\command.com. Still didn't work. I then opened a command =

prompt,
typed in ATDT, pressed Enter, and got the error message "no such =

command".
Modem strings are obviously not recognized as commands at the Windows =

XP
command prompt.
=20
=20
"David Candy" wrote in message
...
Most people call a some numbers quite frequently. These are usually =

quite
few, a best friend from home or a partner from work. A Windows =

shortcut can
dial a phone. This tip lists two ways of easily dialing frequent =

numbers.
=20
Windows includes a phone dialer but it's a few mouse clicks to use (6 =

to
start and click the number, 1 to talk, 1 to exit). This allows two =

mouse
clicks if it's on the desktop, three if on the Start Menu.
=20
Before going on you'll need to know what com port your modem is =

connected
to. Open Control Panel and choose Modems. Select your modem and click
Properties. Your Comm Port is listed under Port.
=20
=20
Method 1- Using Shortcuts
a.. Right click the desktop and choose New then Shortcut.
b.. Rename (F2 renames a selected item) the Shortcut Dial Mum (or =

whoever
it is)
c.. Right click the shortcut and choose Properties
d.. On the Program tab enter Dialing Mum in the top textbox and
C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /c echo ATDT 99999999 com2 into the Cmd Line
textbox, replacing 99999999 with the phone number you're dialing and =

com2
with the com port you're modem is conected to. Make sure the Close on =

Exit
checkbox is checked.
e.. On the Screen tab make sure that Window is selected.
f.. Repeat the above steps and call the second shortcut Answer and =

use
this Cmd Line - D:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /c echo ATH com2.
g.. Either leave the two shortcuts where they are, or Shift + Drag =

onto
the Start Menu.
h.. To ring, Double Click the Dial Mum shortcut (or select it on the =

Start
Menu) and when the other party answers pick up the phone and Double =

Click
the Answer shortcut.
Method 2 - Using a Batch File
a.. Right click the desktop and choose New then Text Document.
b.. Rename (F2 renames a selected item) the Text Document Dial =

Mum.bat (or
whoever it is)
c.. Right click the MS-Dos Batch File and choose Edit
d.. Add the following lines changing the phone number, name and comm =

port
to suit.
@echo off
echo Dialing Mum
echo ATDT 99999999 com2
Echo.
Echo Press any key when Mum answers or you want to hang up.
pause
echo ATH com2
a.. Save the file and exit Notepad. Move the file into =

C:\windows\command
folder. Right click the file and choose Properties. Make sure Close on =

Exit
and Window is checked (see Method 1). A new shortcut file will have =

been
created with the same name. Move this file onto the Desktop or Start =

Menu.
Click the batch file to dial and press any key when it answers.
Notes on Phone Numbers
a.. The modem command string listed above ATDT means dial using tone
dialing. Use ATDP if you have a pulse phone.
b.. If you need a pause while dialing use a comma. E.g, 9,99999999.
=20
--=20
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" MS" wrote in message
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Using Windows XP Professional, SP1, all the latest updates on =

Windows
Update.

What is the Telephone Dialer app used for?

I thought it could come in handy for something, but couldn't get it =

to
work
right for that purpose. That is, when one tries to dial a number on =

the
telephone, and it is constantly busy. If one keeps trying to get =

through
with a telephone, one gets the busy signal, press the "off" button =

(on a
cordless phone) to hang up the line, wait a few seconds, press the =

"on"
button again, press "redial". If it's still busy, one has to go =

through
that
process again. If it's busy for a long time, that could be a tedious
process.

I thought that perhaps with the telephone dialer, the computer could =

keep
dialing the number over and over (redialing when it gets a busy =

signal).
When it finally connects, I would hear the other party's voice on =

the
computer speaker, perhaps some kind of connect tone from the app, =

then I
could pick up my telephone to speak.

But I couldn't get it to work that way. When the other line is busy, =

I
would
get an error message (I don't even think an indication that the line =

is
busy, perhaps just "no answer".) Just like with the phone, I would =

have to
manually click "Redial" to try again. Isn't there a way to set it to

redial
automatically, until it connects?

Is there a way to fix this in the settings?

I tried the "Terminal" app for this purpose as well. It does have a

setting
for "automatic redial", but I couldn't get it to work for my purpose

either.

Is it possible to get any Windows app to work for the purpose I =

specified?
If not, how about a third party app one can download? Anyone know of =

a
dialer app that will do this?


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  #60  
Old April 9th 04, 04:29 PM
David Candy
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Default Telephone Dialer?

Here's some Australian infomation (Note Austrians get upset when you =
confuse them with Australians - Australians are used to it. Austrians =
wear T-shirts saying they're not Australians - Australians don't think =
about Austrians. Previous post was about AUSTRIA - this one is about =
AUSTRALIA)

a.. The modem must not answer an incoming call less than two seconds =
after the first ring signal. As a =D2rule-of-thumb=D3 your modem should =
be set so it answers incoming calls after the second ring (ATS0=3D2).=20
b.. If Busy signal detection is switched off, the modem must not =
attempt more than two automatic redials and must wait at least two =
seconds before redialling.=20
c.. If Busy signal detection is switched on, the modem must not =
attempt more than nine automatic redials and must wait at least two =
seconds before redialling.=20
d.. If, after redialling the maximum number of times, the modem is =
still unable to establish a connection you must wait 30 minutes before =
attempting to redial.=20
e.. The use of Bell standard 103 and 212A is not permitted in =
Australia. Use of these modes will cause your modem to lose its permit =
status.=20
Changing the default values of the modem, in such a way as to cause your =
modem to operate in a non-compliant manner when connected to a =
telecommunications network operated by a carrier, is contrary to the =
Telecommunications Act 1991 and may result in penalties of $12,000.

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"David Candy" wrote in message =
...
1. In both Austria and Germany a modem will block after 12 attempts. It =
IS illegal to connect a non approved modem to the phone network. Modems =
are different in each country sold. EG. Polish modems require extra =
electronics to work on their sub standard phone lines.=20

[Minimum time between 1st and 2nd try: 5secs;
" " " 2nd " 3rd try: 60secs;
No more than 12 tries to the same number if no answering tone is
received;
After 12 failed tries, a minimum waiting time of 1 hour before =
attempting
the same number.]

(I can't access my own countries web site - bloody DNS)
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" MS" wrote in message =
...
Are you using Windows XP? I just looked in Network Connections at the
dialing properties for dial-up to my ISP. I have the time between =

redial
attempts set to 1 second. (It hasn't landed either my modem or myself =

in
jail yet, perhaps we'll get caught soon. ;-) ) Number of redial =

attempts is
set to 300, and I think it can go higher. I don't think I've ever had =

to
redial my ISP 300 times to connect, but I don't think my modem will =

"refuse
to dial" after a certain number of attempts. So, I think you are =

speaking
of a limitation of your modem, not a government "law" concerning =

redials.
=20
No, David, automatic redialing is not "against the law", it does not =

kill
anyone ;-), and is not a problem with most modems.
=20
Back to my original question--is there no way to do an automatic =

redial for
a voice call--so that if one is trying to dial a customer service =

line, for
example, that is usually busy, so that it will keep dialing =

automatically
until it connects, to save the person a lot of time and trouble of =

doing it
over and over manually with a telephone?
=20
If none of the XP telephony apps will do that (I'm surprised that =

"telephone
dialer" won't) (or I didn't figure out how to do it), are there third =

party
apps that will do that?
=20
"David Candy" wrote in message
...
If one connects 240V to the phone line other's (esp the coroner) get =

upset.
But look at the default timing on the redial. Mine is 60 secs. I have =

a very
expensive modem, if somewhat old (I ain't using a faster $30 modem to
replace my $400 modem). It will refuse to dial after x number of =

attemps in
x amount of time (been 5 years since I've dialed that many times)
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" MS" wrote in message
...

"David Candy" wrote in message
...
It is actually illegal (for the modem not people) to repeatedly dial =

a
number. (telephone companies network won't survive millions of =

modems
doing
it). The modem must have approval to connect to a phone line (mainly =

to
stop
someone electrocuting their neighbours and workers at the exchange, =

and
destroying the exchange). Whoever (FTC or AusTel) will refuse =

approval.
Windows enforces it, the modem also will enforce it. The actual =

rules
depends on what country you live in (or more accurately what country
windows/modem think you're in).

MS Replied:

Is there a jail for errant modems??? ;-)

I don't see how that could be true? If I dial-up to my ISP (yes, I =

have an
ancient dial-up connection) and the line is busy, the modem will

"repeatedly
dial a number" (the ISP access number) until it connects. You can =

set how
many seconds between retries, etc.

Why couldn't the same be done for a voice call?

"Electrocuting their neighbors and workers at the exchange"? How? (I =

guess
those killer modems again.) (New science fiction flick--"the revenge =

of
the
killer modems".)


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