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""...winston?"" wrote in message ... [...] From a use and support perspective there really is no business value for MSFT to continue to host XP specific versions of their software. Really? Microsoft has no interest in cashing in on XP users? Why did it make business sense for Microsoft to continue to issue "OEM licensing for Windows for Workgroups 3.11 on embedded systems continued to be available until November 1, 2008" then? Windows 3.1x - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_3.1x -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14 Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1 |
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"Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote: "Adam Kubias" wrote in message ... On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote: Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement. I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document feature. Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB. I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago. I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one of Thunderbird on the net. Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone. I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be? I have no idea. Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-) Bug List https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS, tracks and fixes bugs. BFD. Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug is still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just don't seem to care. You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault, don't you? IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone* would be experiencing it and they're not. -- Blue |
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Bob Henson typed on Thursday, March 06, 2014 3:27 AM: On 05/03/2014 9:03 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 3/5/14 12:07 PM, Bob Henson wrote: On 05/03/2014 6:56 PM, BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: Although the number one complaint about TB is it freezes up too often. Define "number one". Of all of the Thunderbird complaints that I hear, the freezing problems shows up more often than any other one. Ken Springer even mentioned it just today. I've used it since it first started and freezing is not a thing I have ever seen on all the versions of Windows since then and on several Linux versions - although, like all programs, it has had a few problems that is not one of them. Maybe it was something to so with the local system, not Thunderbird? Just because you have not experienced the bug, does not mean it isn't real. No, that's true - but it does mean it's a local problem, otherwise everyone would have it. Bearing in mind how few complaints there have been out of all the many thousands (millions?) using Thunderbird, it can safely be said that it's not just a bug per se, but a local interaction with Thunderbird. Were they all Mac users like yourself, for example? Were they using another variety of Linux? Were they using Windows 8? I reported a bug a while back which happens in every instance on every machine - purely an error in Thunderbird. There is a marked difference between that and a problem that has happened to a tiny, weeny minority of users. What makes you believe this problem only affects a small number of users? Heck just in the last few months just in this newsgroup, about half complain about it and about half doesn't. That doesn't sound like just a small number of users to me. I get it quite often, and I believe it happens when TB is checking for new messages. If that is the case, if you don't check for messages automatically, or you have a long time frame between checks, you may never notice it. Ah, well then the problem lies with your news server not responding, or something in the long path to it, not TB. I've just had to switch from Eternal-September back to Albasani as E-S has been struggling of late. Sometimes it's the other way around (that's why I have two accounts setup - because I regularly have to switch) - did you check news-servers with all the people with a problem? The free news servers are prone to overloading and down time - but it has got nothing to do with Thunderbird, despite what the owner says (frequently). The same applies to e-mail servers - TalkTalk e-mail is down more than it is up, and causes similar delays. We appear to have a different definition of what constitutes a bug in Thunderbird - I don't count something that is only down entirely to external influences in a tiny number of cases. Damn it! You just don't get it! Wake up man! Users don't care what is wrong, they care if something works or not. And other readers don't freeze up using the same servers as they did with Thunderbird. That is all they care about, period! And that is a Thunderbird problem. To do things correctly, no server should ever cause Thunderbird to hang, period. If you are claiming that Thunderbird only works in a perfect world, then what good is it? As the world we live in isn't perfect at all. And other readers have no problem dealing with a non-perfect world, but Thunderbird can't! The HTML editor seems to have a number of issues. Apparently those issues have been there a very long time, and Mozilla apparently knows about some of them. I've got a list of 12 here on a sticky note. There I agree with you entirely - some have been there from the very outset. Mozilla will never fix them as it means digging a long way back into the code, and they can't find any devs prepared to take it on. The devs are only interested in adding trendy new bells and whistles that no-one wants or needs. Since they aren't doing much of that now either, what are they doing? The editor (in HTML and plain text) is badly flawed with regard to inserting blank space. This remained totally unknown to perhaps 98% of users (it may not even be on your list) - but it was a real bug, as it affected all instances of Thunderbird. It didn't show up until you used PGP, when the bug broke the encryption. It never has been fixed, because Enigmail came along and provided a workaround for the problem by encoding after the junk had been added (I believe - it was many years ago and my memory is getting old too). Funny I was playing with an old backup on one machine from 2009 for a problem I had back then that later disappeared. No nothing to do with Thunderbird. But Thunderbird v1.5.0.8 was there and I started to play around with it. And guess what? This version doesn't freeze up. So this problem came later. I've given up on reporting bugs to FOSS software. The attitude of too many programmers/developers seems to be, if they aren't interested, they aren't going to fix them. And if they aren't going to fix things that don't work for me, why should I use the software, or donate my time to identify issues? Or, even support it with a financial donation? Again, we are in complete agreement. I reported what I consider to be a major bug some time back - well over a year now. It hasn't even been adopted by anyone, never mind had anything done about it. I think we can safely say that Thunderbird has more or less ceased development. Unfortunately or fortunately, I don't know which, it's still the best free e-mail/newsgroup program by a country mile, so we must take consolation in the fact that whatever else it is, it knocks the spots off the evil WLM, and any other competition there is - although Claws is quite good, and still being supported. Oh WLM is evil? Funny I can get it to work, but your problem might be it is you? ;-) And the one thing that both OE6 and WLM does as you can instantly view any replies to your posts. Others that never heard of this feature don't understand why they would want one. Once you understand what this means, you never want to use a newsgroup reader without this feature. It saves me like 98% of my time over other readers. That is just huge! :-) -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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BillW50 wrote:
"Johnny" wrote in message ... On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote: Wildman wrote: On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey. I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix versions and have for several years. I've used it since Netscape. I have used it since Netscape also. About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop typing and it would catch up. I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and where I read all the news. I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the advertisement that was causing it. It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate. Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't. Mozilla makes Shockwave? Since when? -- Blue |
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Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote: "Adam Kubias" wrote in message ... On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote: Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement. I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document feature. Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB. I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago. I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one of Thunderbird on the net. Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone. I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be? I have no idea. Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-) Bug List https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS, tracks and fixes bugs. BFD. Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug is still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just don't seem to care. You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault, don't you? IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone* would be experiencing it and they're not. Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? The bug is in everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages in Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it. Of course not, because you are not using the part of Thunderbird that contains the bug. This stuff isn't hard to understand. Why do you act like you don't understand how any of this works? I even showed you the logs and you still don't get it. Geez! -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: "Johnny" wrote in message ... On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote: Wildman wrote: On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey. I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix versions and have for several years. I've used it since Netscape. I have used it since Netscape also. About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop typing and it would catch up. I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and where I read all the news. I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the advertisement that was causing it. It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate. Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't. Mozilla makes Shockwave? Since when? Nobody said Mozilla makes Shockwave. The point was the code of the radio station had a bug that causes the CPU to use all of the processor power from Shockwave, which was being used in Thunderbird as a plug in. Other readers and browsers other than Mozilla products know how to deal with misbehaving plug ins. Mozilla products don't and don't expect Mozilla to ever to include such a feature. As Mozilla only works in a perfect world. ;-) -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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BillW50 wrote:
In , Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote: "Adam Kubias" wrote in message ... On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote: Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement. I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document feature. Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB. I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago. I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one of Thunderbird on the net. Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone. I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be? I have no idea. Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-) Bug List https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS, tracks and fixes bugs. BFD. Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug is still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just don't seem to care. You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault, don't you? IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone* would be experiencing it and they're not. Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? The bug is in everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages in Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it. I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes. Of course not, See above. Snip insults. -- Blue |
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BillW50 wrote:
In , Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: "Johnny" wrote in message ... On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote: Wildman wrote: On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey. I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix versions and have for several years. I've used it since Netscape. I have used it since Netscape also. About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop typing and it would catch up. I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and where I read all the news. I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the advertisement that was causing it. It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate. Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't. Mozilla makes Shockwave? Since when? Nobody said Mozilla makes Shockwave. You did. -- Blue |
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Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: In , Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote: "Adam Kubias" wrote in message ... On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote: Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement. I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document feature. Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB. I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago. I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one of Thunderbird on the net. Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone. I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be? I have no idea. Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-) Bug List https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS, tracks and fixes bugs. BFD. Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug is still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just don't seem to care. You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault, don't you? IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone* would be experiencing it and they're not. Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? The bug is in everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages in Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it. I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes. Of course not, See above. Snip insults. Then why lie below and say you didn't? In , Blue typed on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:43 PM: BillW50 wrote: Although I can see from the log that whenever Thunderbird is checking for new messages (every 5 minutes) in newsgroups Something I don't have TB configured to do. You can use the F5 key to refresh. Try it without this enabled. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: In , Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: "Johnny" wrote in message ... On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote: Wildman wrote: On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey. I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix versions and have for several years. I've used it since Netscape. I have used it since Netscape also. About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop typing and it would catch up. I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and where I read all the news. I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the advertisement that was causing it. It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate. Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't. Mozilla makes Shockwave? Since when? Nobody said Mozilla makes Shockwave. You did. No I didn't. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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BillW50 wrote more bull****: Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? When you have nothing worthwhile to say, insult the poster. Yeah, that's your ticket. You do it all the time. The bug is in everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages in Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it. I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes. I have fifteen email accounts in my Thunderbird, and every one of them checks for mail every NN minutes - the more important ones, either 10 or 30 minutes, and the less important ones, from two to four hours. I've never experienced Bull****Bill's problem with "freeze ups" in any version of Thunderbird, from 0.2 to the present. -- -bts -This space for rent, but the price is high |
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BillW50 wrote:
In , Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: In , Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote: "Adam Kubias" wrote in message ... On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote: Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement. I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document feature. Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB. I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago. I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one of Thunderbird on the net. Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone. I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be? I have no idea. Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-) Bug List https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS, tracks and fixes bugs. BFD. Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug is still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just don't seem to care. You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault, don't you? IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone* would be experiencing it and they're not. Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? The bug is in everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages in Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it. I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes. Of course not, See above. Snip insults. Then why lie below and say you didn't? In , Blue typed on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:43 PM: BillW50 wrote: Although I can see from the log that whenever Thunderbird is checking for new messages (every 5 minutes) in newsgroups Something I don't have TB configured to do. You can use the F5 key to refresh. Try it without this enabled. You were talking about "messages" which can either be an email message or a newsgroup message. In fact, I don't do newsgroups in TB. I use Seamonkey for that to keep things separate so I don't mistakenly email someone instead of posting a news group message. Why you have newsgroups polling for new messages is beyond me because it's not necessary as you can either click on the group or the little arrow next the news server and messages will be downloaded. Once you're in a group you can hit F5 to download any new messages. It's obvious you don't like Thunderbird. Don't use it and watch your Thunderbird problems go away. -- Blue |
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BillW50 wrote:
In , Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: In , Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: "Johnny" wrote in message ... On 03/05/2014 02:23 PM, Blue wrote: Wildman wrote: On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 15:00:59 +0100, Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote: I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Funny, my TB, which is *always* up-to-date, has never froze. And I use TB with 12 email accounts. I don't use TB for newsgroups, preferring to keep things separate and using Seamonkey. I've never had a problem either. I use both the windows and *nix versions and have for several years. I've used it since Netscape. I have used it since Netscape also. About a year ago I was typing a message to a newsgroup and I noticed the on screen letters weren't keeping up with the keyboard. I would stop typing and it would catch up. I traced the problem down to the Shockwave Flash plugin in Firefox, it was showing 100 percent CPU usage. What was strange, was that it would do it only on one website, and that happened to be my home page, and where I read all the news. I contacted the news station and told them about it, and even the advertisement that was causing it. It hasn't happened again. Now you can set Flash to ask to activate. Sure the news station will fix it, but Mozilla won't. Mozilla makes Shockwave? Since when? Nobody said Mozilla makes Shockwave. You did. No I didn't. What was being fixed? Shockwave? Reread what you wrote. -- Blue |
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty typed: Blue wrote: BillW50 wrote more bull****: Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? When you have nothing worthwhile to say, insult the poster. Yeah, that's your ticket. You do it all the time. When you don't understand what you are talking about like how Blue often does, lying about Blue's lack of ability isn't being truthful! And I don't see any point of lying, do you? The bug is in everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages in Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it. I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes. I have fifteen email accounts in my Thunderbird, and every one of them checks for mail every NN minutes - the more important ones, either 10 or 30 minutes, and the less important ones, from two to four hours. I've never experienced Bull****Bill's problem with "freeze ups" in any version of Thunderbird, from 0.2 to the present. I see you clipped out the reason I explained how that happens! You either didn't read it or understood it. And it isn't Bull****Bill's problem either. About half of the people who have posted here in the last few months have experienced this same problem. And if you peek into Mozilla's newsgroup, you will find others talking about this too. So do you often lie to try to make a point? Why is that? -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: In , Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: In , Blue typed: BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Blue" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote: "Bob Henson" wrote in message ... On 05/03/2014 1:38 PM, BillW50 wrote: "Adam Kubias" wrote in message ... On 2014-03-04 9:34 PM, Windows8 User wrote: Can somebody confirm that Version 14.0. 8117.0416 is the last version that is not broken and can be safely used on Windows 8 RTM 64Bit machine. I had to recover my Toshiba machine which had Windows 8.1 free upgrade but it was crashing all the time so I decided to recover it and see if it works this time otherwise I'll have to return it for a replacement. I was helping my grandmother trying to set up Windows Live Mail so she could use the Kodak printer's email scanned document feature. Eventually, I gave up and resorted to TB. I am wondering how she is coping with Thunderbird constant freeze ups? I was playing with older backup copies from 2007. And I saw no freezing with Thunderbird v1.5.0.8. So I wonder what version TB started freezing? I know it is there in v12 too. Since 24.3.0 is the current version, the best bet would be to leave all ancient versions alone and use that. However, I don't know what you were doing wrong, but I have never had any freezing with any version of Thunderbird from its inception many years ago. I don't know how you didn't get the memo? As it is the number one of Thunderbird on the net. Google search results aren't credible proof. Just because others did something stupid like whatever you did doesn't make it a fact. If it were a flaw in the software, it would happen to everyone. I did something stupid? Ok Mr Know-It-All, what would that be? I have no idea. Everybody else knows Thunderbird is filled with bugs. It is a hardcore bugware enthusiast dream come true. ;-) Bug List https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist...ch=thunderbird It's worked find for me since Netscape in 97. Mozilla, unlike MS, tracks and fixes bugs. BFD. Which is odd since the same bugs are in version after version and build after build. Heck I am beta testing FF v28 and the same bug is still there in all of the builds of v28 and v29 too. They just don't seem to care. You really need to find some way to show it isn't your fault, don't you? IF the "bug" you're experiencing was true, *everyone* would be experiencing it and they're not. Gosh, you don't know anything about computers, do you? The bug is in everybody's copy! For example, you admit you don't use get messages in Thunderbird every x amount of minutes and you don't see it. I have all my twelve email accounts checking every 10 minutes. Of course not, See above. Snip insults. Then why lie below and say you didn't? In , Blue typed on Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:43 PM: BillW50 wrote: Although I can see from the log that whenever Thunderbird is checking for new messages (every 5 minutes) in newsgroups Something I don't have TB configured to do. You can use the F5 key to refresh. Try it without this enabled. You were talking about "messages" which can either be an email message or a newsgroup message. In fact, I don't do newsgroups in TB. Later, I mentioned the problem is there whether you use TB just for email or just newsgroups or both you clown! I use Seamonkey for that to keep things separate so I don't mistakenly email someone instead of posting a news group message. Why you have newsgroups polling for new messages is beyond me because it's not necessary as you can either click on the group or the little arrow next the news server and messages will be downloaded. Once you're in a group you can hit F5 to download any new messages. Yes I know. It's obvious you don't like Thunderbird. Don't use it and watch your Thunderbird problems go away. Why you little lowlife liar! YOU BET I WANT THIS FIXED! I wouldn't even waste my time talking about it you little troll! TB has a big advantage for me since it is easily made portable so it could be easily synced to all of my machines in seconds. Why wouldn't I want this fixed you liar? -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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