Increasing the number of Sata points.

Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.

And now I need more.

I have tried this:
StarTech.com 2 Port PCI Express SATA 6 Gbps eSATA Controller Card
which freezes the computer. And it wanted all sorts of BIOS
adjustments.

Is there a better one?
I don't need the RAID thing,
I just want more Sata points, preferrably powered as eSata.

I have available:

PCIEX16,

PCI,

PCIEX8_2

PJ

On 05/21/2017 05:16 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.

And now I need more.

I have tried this:
StarTech.com 2 Port PCI Express SATA 6 Gbps eSATA Controller Card
which freezes the computer. And it wanted all sorts of BIOS
adjustments.

Is there a better one?
I don't need the RAID thing,
I just want more Sata points, preferrably powered as eSata.

I have available:

PCIEX16,

PCI,

PCIEX8_2

PJ




It should not freeze the machine or require bios adjustments. try
another PCIe port

On Mon, 22 May 2017 08:16:19 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.


According to the layout drawings of both the Rev 1002 and Rev 2001
motherboards, there are 10 Sata outlets. Do you have a different
revision level board.?


And now I need more.

On Mon, 22 May 2017 10:59:46 +1000, Monty wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 08:16:19 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.


According to the layout drawings of both the Rev 1002 and Rev 2001
motherboards, there are 10 Sata outlets. Do you have a different
revision level board.?

Thanks, yes there are 10 after all, and they're all used,
2 x optical drives.
8 HDD & SSD drives.

Peter Jason wrote:
Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.

And now I need more.

I have tried this:
StarTech.com 2 Port PCI Express SATA 6 Gbps eSATA Controller Card
which freezes the computer. And it wanted all sorts of BIOS
adjustments.

Is there a better one?
I don't need the RAID thing,
I just want more Sata points, preferrably powered as eSata.

I have available:

PCIEX16,

PCI,

PCIEX8_2

PJ

You have to watch what they're selling. Syba sells IOCrest brand
cards, and they don't seem able to explain the product offered.

This one has a 9235, so doesn't involve FIS and port multiplexing.
This is just a four port controller chip, on an x2 interface. And
the 9235 (if you check the Marvell datasheet), doesn't support RAID.

"SYBA SI-PEX40062 PCI-Express 2.0 x2 Chipset: Marvell 88SE9235" (Internal ports)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16816124062

http://www.marvell.com/storage/syste...duct-Brief.pdf

There's also a product that supports 8 ports. But that appears
to be a SATA chip plus two port multiplier chips. Which causes
no end of problems. The Marvell datasheet in that case, hints
at how it works, but of course IOCrest called the shots and
chose some three chip set. Some people claim they got a 9215 and
others see a 9235. If the manufacturer won't tell you, it's pretty
hard to be sure what is under the heatsink.

In short, there are cards available, but you're going to need
your "magic decoder ring" to understand what you're buying.

Usually companies like Startech are better at telling you the
chips used.

The add-in card industry now, is just... weirdness.

Paul

On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:16:34 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 10:59:46 +1000, Monty wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 08:16:19 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.


According to the layout drawings of both the Rev 1002 and Rev 2001
motherboards, there are 10 Sata outlets. Do you have a different
revision level board.?

Thanks, yes there are 10 after all, and they're all used,
2 x optical drives.
8 HDD & SSD drives.


I think there are 2 x 3Gbs eSATA connectors on the back panel. Can
you use those ?

Paul wrote:
Peter Jason wrote:
Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.

And now I need more.

I have tried this:
StarTech.com 2 Port PCI Express SATA 6 Gbps eSATA Controller Card
which freezes the computer. And it wanted all sorts of BIOS
adjustments.

Is there a better one? I don't need the RAID thing, I just want more
Sata points, preferrably powered as eSata.

I have available:

PCIEX16,

PCI,

PCIEX8_2

PJ

Just for comparison, here is the IOCrest 8 port, consisting
of a main chip and two port multiplexers. With the heatsink
in the way, and the lack of honesty, it looks like this.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16816124070

If Addonics makes it, it's a 10 port card (because the Marvell
port multipliers actually have five output ports each.
The Addonics doesn't hide the chips under a heatsink.

http://www.addonics.com/products/ad10sa6gpx2.php

The chip on the right with the white sticker, is a 5-port
multiplexer. The chip on the left is also a 5-port. The chip
in the center, to the right of the PCI Express connector,
is the actual controller.

I don't recommend either of those cards, and that's just to show
you the new practice of using a heatsink to hide stuff.

If you could get a closeup photo of the Addonics, you might see
the actual part numbers.

For some reason, Addonics doesn't have retail distribution like
they used to. I wouldn't be able to get their product in a local
computer store. Whereas Syba or Startech are everywhere.

*******

For the ESATA cards, it's pretty hard to get ones with ESATAp.

http://www.addonics.com/products/ad4es6gpx4.php

The PCI Express edge-card has 3.3V and 12V, but no 5V signal.
If the card had a Molex or SATA power connector for power
extension, it might be a better situation for external power.
Addonics was actually an early promoter of ESATAp and friends,
but you cannot tell that today.

They weren't very honest on that card. It's a three chip
design. The firmware updater has a label of "1062". That
means the smaller chips near the faceplate are Asmedia.

(1062)
http://www.asmedia.com.tw/eng/e_show...x=117&item=151

The main chip under the heatsink, is a PCI Express switch. It
converts some flavor of four lane PCI Express, to a pair
of two lane PCI Express for each Asmedia chip. It's basically
like a couple two-port cards, shoved onto one card.

*******

I would be more enthusiastic about Port Multipliers on the
larger port count cards, if I didn't see complaints about them.
That's why I'm more interested in the slightly lower port
count cards, with straight controllers and no port multiplier.
The 10-port example, is a port multiplier card. Great for
fanout, not necessarily all that great for speed.

Paul

On Mon, 22 May 2017 12:19:15 +1000, Monty wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:16:34 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 10:59:46 +1000, Monty wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 08:16:19 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.


According to the layout drawings of both the Rev 1002 and Rev 2001
motherboards, there are 10 Sata outlets. Do you have a different
revision level board.?

Thanks, yes there are 10 after all, and they're all used,
2 x optical drives.
8 HDD & SSD drives.


I think there are 2 x 3Gbs eSATA connectors on the back panel. Can
you use those ?

Really? There's no mention in the user manual that I can find. I have
Rev2001 (12ME-X58AUD7-2001R)

Are these the two sockets marked "G" on Pg22 of the manual? (eSATA/USB
combo)? What does the ''combo'' mean?

Peter Jason wrote in
:

Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.

And now I need more.

I have tried this:
StarTech.com 2 Port PCI Express SATA 6 Gbps eSATA Controller Card
which freezes the computer. And it wanted all sorts of BIOS
adjustments.

Is there a better one?
I don't need the RAID thing,
I just want more Sata points, preferrably powered as eSata.

I have available:

PCIEX16,

PCI,

PCIEX8_2

PJ
Are you planning on attaching eSATA external drives, or more internal
drives? Although the price is significantly higher, you might want to think
about a NAS device instead of using eSATA.

On Mon, 22 May 2017 12:41:57 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 12:19:15 +1000, Monty wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:16:34 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 10:59:46 +1000, Monty wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 08:16:19 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.


According to the layout drawings of both the Rev 1002 and Rev 2001
motherboards, there are 10 Sata outlets. Do you have a different
revision level board.?

Thanks, yes there are 10 after all, and they're all used,
2 x optical drives.
8 HDD & SSD drives.


I think there are 2 x 3Gbs eSATA connectors on the back panel. Can
you use those ?

Really? There's no mention in the user manual that I can find. I have
Rev2001 (12ME-X58AUD7-2001R)

Are these the two sockets marked "G" on Pg22 of the manual? (eSATA/USB
combo)?

YES


What does the ''combo'' mean?

You can connect either an eSATA or a USB cable to the (G) socket.

I don't know the electrical connections but I would assume there are
two sets of pins in the socket and the type of cable that you plug in
will determine the function.

The pictures on page 21 may give you a better explanation.

Peter Jason wrote:
On Mon, 22 May 2017 12:19:15 +1000, Monty wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 11:16:34 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 10:59:46 +1000, Monty wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2017 08:16:19 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.

According to the layout drawings of both the Rev 1002 and Rev 2001
motherboards, there are 10 Sata outlets. Do you have a different
revision level board.?
Thanks, yes there are 10 after all, and they're all used,
2 x optical drives.
8 HDD & SSD drives.

I think there are 2 x 3Gbs eSATA connectors on the back panel. Can
you use those ?

Really? There's no mention in the user manual that I can find. I have
Rev2001 (12ME-X58AUD7-2001R)

Are these the two sockets marked "G" on Pg22 of the manual? (eSATA/USB
combo)? What does the ''combo'' mean?

A combo port looks like this.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/atta...bo-jpg.113130/

It's the overlay of an ESATA port (with pins on top), along
with 4 contact USB2 pins on the bottom. Apparently, either kind of
connector can be plugged in as a result. Personally, I would
only stuff ESATA in there myself. Designs like that make me... nervous.

*******

Your motherboard has

JMB362 - two port SATA, I/O plate, the combo ports (ESATA type).

ICH10R - six port SATA
Marvell 9128 - two port SATA
Gigabyte SATA - two port SATA, IDE connector (might be VIA or something)

That's a total of 12 SATA and one IDE ribbon.

You also have Firewire. Firewire can be daisy-chained,
up to the limit of the Firewire address wheel. I have
a couple really crappy Firewire enclosures, that the
first Firewire in the chain runs at 30MB/sec and the
second in the chain runs at 20MB/sec.

You have a Texas Instruments TSB43AB23 Firewire controller,
but it's Firewire 400, 50MB/sec theoretical, around
30MB/sec to 40MB/sec practical. It's mainly intended
for offloading camcorders from another era, and isn't
really all that wonderful for hard drives. The USB3
ports would make a better chaining scheme than that
(use a USB3 external powered hub to run more disks).

You don't lack for I/O flavors on that thing.

It could be, that your plugin card, is a Marvell and
similar to the 9128. Maybe turning off the 9128 in
the BIOS, allows the new plugin card to work ?

Another thing to note, is with that many controllers,
you could run out of RAM in the 640K area during boot.
It's possible one or more of the controller will not
support booting. I don't know if UEFI/CSM has had any
positive impact on that design detail or not. That issue
(the low-RAM limit) was explained by Tyan tech support
many years ago.

Paul

Tim wrote:
Peter Jason wrote in
:

Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.

And now I need more.

I have tried this:
StarTech.com 2 Port PCI Express SATA 6 Gbps eSATA Controller Card
which freezes the computer. And it wanted all sorts of BIOS
adjustments.

Is there a better one?
I don't need the RAID thing,
I just want more Sata points, preferrably powered as eSata.

I have available:

PCIEX16,

PCI,

PCIEX8_2

PJ
Are you planning on attaching eSATA external drives, or more internal
drives? Although the price is significantly higher, you might want to think
about a NAS device instead of using eSATA.

He's be better off buying higher capacity SMR drives,
so he needs fewer of them :-) Maybe eight sixes or six
eights.

(Example of an 8TB - 512e, 200MB/sec on outer diameter)
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIA5EM2NB0859

Paul

Peter Jason wrote in
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Win10 MB Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7

I have used up all eight Sata points on my motherboard.

How is this showing up every day?