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Forte Agent help
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent
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Forte Agent help
On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:01:12 +0000, Dan wrote:
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? You can check the headers of one of their posts, but that's quite unlikely to produce results. Your best bet is to simply ask the poster to provide the info. If you have a legitimate purpose, they might even comply with your request, although the possibility seems remote. |
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On 2019-01-26 13:01, Dan wrote:
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. A lot of newsreaders do not show the IP. A lot of users who use newsreaders which do show the IP take steps to hide their real IP, using proxies or whatever. Even if you see the IP, you might not see the _real_ IP; some ISPs, AT&T for example, notoriously reuse IPs so that users might be in Dallas but have an IP showing them to be in Houston. Why do you need this person's IP? Why can't you just ask them where they are? What business is it of yours where they are? |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 15:32:14 -0500, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote:
On 2019-01-26 13:01, Dan wrote: Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. A lot of newsreaders do not show the IP. No newsreaders add the poster's IP to the message. If the IP is there, it was added by the news *server* and not by the newsreader. Some of my news servers add my IP address to the headers, others do not. My news reader does not make this decision. A lot of users who use newsreaders which do show the IP take steps to hide their real IP, using proxies or whatever. ITYM: "A lot of users who use news *servers* which do show the IP...". A proxy can hide your actual IP from the news *server*, but it makes no difference to the newsreader. Even if you see the IP, you might not see the _real_ IP; some ISPs, AT&T for example, notoriously reuse IPs so that users might be in Dallas but have an IP showing them to be in Houston. Why do you need this person's IP? Why can't you just ask them where they are? What business is it of yours where they are? ________ For other readers with some technical knowledge My newsreader is unable to even see what my real IP address is. I am behind two layers of NAT (Network Address Translation). 1. All my news reader knows is the private IP assigned by the router, 192.168.43.167. Outside my own home network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network 2. All my router knows is the carrier-grade private IP address assigned by my ISP, 100.85.128.144. Outside my ISP's own network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT 3. The news server knows my real (external-facing) IP address. -- Kind regards Ralph |
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Hash: SHA256 Ralph Fox wrote: 2. All my router knows is the carrier-grade private IP address assigned by my ISP, 100.85.128.144. Outside my ISP's own network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT My condolences for your ISP employing CGN. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAlxNHT AACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooFRKwf8CZwPzzBjdeYM/aX7rzMov0GnvCJ1P0BHd9lfOqktx3XX5+2HYLyMmYlo 6IDuBuQmzBOySvhW+/gjaB26NP1XT3dAtidyQD8El+UV3XL/r8vkHy1+pqvujCuY iETQFBez+JjRYdYEaYGwJArqw2ttMaZt6hCKlJqnTO0byfPqcb J3xA2QoZcfWWgH Imtg+hgbv5ttyroUZqIKbuGGcH02NaWn55XHpUHwE4Z/YZSYcBrcne1U5U0a+nRs 20980fKxo7KcPxah250EcduIx5wCi7jBg16IC8JHy10VnPsUkX NtMg72/aGFgWHF zx48LQC6y4dDK9GvDYH1DZEDLyIFIw== =9GM4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 02:53:36 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:
Ralph Fox wrote: 2. All my router knows is the carrier-grade private IP address assigned by my ISP, 100.85.128.144. Outside my ISP's own network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT My condolences for your ISP employing CGN. AsiaPac ran out of IP v4 addresses back in 2011. https://www.nic.ad.jp/en/ip/ipv4pool/ My ISP is dealing with the reality we live in. -- Kind regards Ralph |
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On 2019-01-26 21:50, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 15:32:14 -0500, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote: On 2019-01-26 13:01, Dan wrote: Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. A lot of newsreaders do not show the IP. No newsreaders add the poster's IP to the message. If the IP is there, it was added by the news *server* and not by the newsreader. Some of my news servers add my IP address to the headers, others do not. My news reader does not make this decision. A lot of users who use newsreaders which do show the IP take steps to hide their real IP, using proxies or whatever. ITYM: "A lot of users who use news *servers* which do show the IP...". A proxy can hide your actual IP from the news *server*, but it makes no difference to the newsreader. Even if you see the IP, you might not see the _real_ IP; some ISPs, AT&T for example, notoriously reuse IPs so that users might be in Dallas but have an IP showing them to be in Houston. Why do you need this person's IP? Why can't you just ask them where they are? What business is it of yours where they are? ________ For other readers with some technical knowledge My newsreader is unable to even see what my real IP address is. I am behind two layers of NAT (Network Address Translation). 1. All my news reader knows is the private IP assigned by the router, 192.168.43.167. Outside my own home network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network 2. All my router knows is the carrier-grade private IP address assigned by my ISP, 100.85.128.144. Outside my ISP's own network, this address will not find me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT 3. The news server knows my real (external-facing) IP address. you are, of course, correct. My error. |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:01:12 +0000, Dan wrote:
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? That`s not possible. You can see all header fields in Agent, but this will only show you the usenet server the user has delivered its message too. But a user might use any news server he likes. |
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On 26/01/2019 18:01, Dan wrote:
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. If you can, look the group up in Google Groups https://groups.google.com/forum/#!overview Not ALL Usenet groups are there, but most are. (Windows10 is NOT!) Find the thread/post/poster you are looking for, then look in the poster's header. Google displays the IP in the header info. (but it may be incorrect!) HTH -- David B. |
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On 27/01/2019 01:03, Paul wrote:
David B. wrote: On 26/01/2019 18:01, Dan wrote: Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. If you can, look the group up in Google Groups https://groups.google.com/forum/#!overview Not ALL Usenet groups are there, but most are. (Windows10 is NOT!) Find the thread/post/poster you are looking for, then look in the poster's header. Google displays the IP in the header info. (but it may be incorrect!) HTH A peer level news server cannot "invent" information. If I log into my Google Groups account and post a message, my IP address will be embedded by Google, in the header. This is a decision made by Google, for their users. *** the river Styx --- -+- --- --- --- --- *********************** | *********************** | "has IP" *********************** | ********************** GG message ******* If I post through AIOE and the post shows up eventually on the Google Groups server, only the encrypted header information will be present, and no IP address. ** NNTP-Posting-Host: bDyACtE37TCbWXECQ/K7FQ.user.gioia.aioe.org ** X-Complaints-To: If I post through E-S, ** posting-host="ab0f6e79d5486763e41fc42cfba1b279"; ** " *the river Styx --- -+- --- --- --- --- -+-* --- --- --- --- ******************** |****************** | ******************** | "no IP"********** | "no IP" ******************** |****************** | ******************* AIOE message**** E-S message Each server has a custom method, a random salt, an encoding method for the IP, and some crypto to encrypt it. The "admin" at the abuse address can decode it. By using "No IP", regular users cannot snoop on other peoples IP addresses. Can the crypto be cracked ? Does the server leak ? Don't ask me :-) An "official" IP address recovery requires lawyers and policemen, as the private server admins "respond" to legal documents. They don't listen to whiny complaints unless the TOS is violated. And the TOS these days is relatively liberal. Google posts IP addresses and Google also has an easy-peasy "abuse" button for users posting from their site. It's a kind of "self-help ban hammer". If you're a Google Groups user, you're standing on pretty shaky ground, relatively speaking. For TOS violations, a server like E-S can just close the account, to stop further occurrences with that particular account. But that doesn't stop miscreants from applying for new accounts. It should generally cost money, to get a response or a "result". Freebie whining and ban hammers are less likely, Google Groups excepted. Google is a great source of spam, but you can also click the abuse button if it makes you feel better. When a set of individuals libeled/slandered a *lawyer*, he got virtually all of them. I think there might have been IPs for everyone, and three "John Doe" entries in the filing, where someone in the house posted a message, but the information available may not have been of a sufficient legal threshold to replace "John Doe" with an actual name. The lawyer may know, based on household lastname, who the person is, but they need evidence and traceability of the first name, to put something other than John Doe. That kinda kicked a big hole in AUK. I won't mention the lawyers name, because... lawyers. ** Paul Thank you for a really *GREAT* response, Paul. :-) I have no doubt that many others reading here will benefit from digesting that information. -- David B. alt.comp.workshop group added |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:01:12 +0000, Dan wrote:
Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. 1. Assuming the message body has been downloaded, press 'H' or use "View Show All Header Fields" to see the full headers of the message. This will not work if the body has not been downloaded. 2. Now, check the full headers to see whether the IP address is there. Some news servers will add the IP address to the headers, but many will not. If the IP address is there, it is likely to be in an "NNTP-Posting-Host:" or "Injection-Info:" header. 3. If that doesn't work, you will need a court order to force the news server to reveal the poster's IP address. You will need lots of money for lawyers, and a good case to convince the judge. -- Kind regards Ralph |
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On 2019-01-26 22:02, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:01:12 +0000, Dan wrote: Hello, I need the IP of a poster in newsgroups. I am using Forte Agent 8.0. How do I do it? Thanks in advance. 1. Assuming the message body has been downloaded, press 'H' or use "View Show All Header Fields" to see the full headers of the message. This will not work if the body has not been downloaded. 2. Now, check the full headers to see whether the IP address is there. Some news servers will add the IP address to the headers, but many will not. If the IP address is there, it is likely to be in an "NNTP-Posting-Host:" or "Injection-Info:" header. 3. If that doesn't work, you will need a court order to force the news server to reveal the poster's IP address. You will need lots of money for lawyers, and a good case to convince the judge. I think that the OP is really the notorious stalker troll David B. under a new nym. David B. has been stalking and attempting to dox multiple posters, including me, for a very long time. See, for example, an exchange from last year: Begin included text: ____________________ On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 4:09:24 AM UTC-5, David B. wrote: On 10/01/2018 23:14, Panthera Tigris Altaica wrote: I would not recommend clicking on any link you suggest thanks to your previous actions. You have no credibility thanks to your previous actions. Jolly Roger has far more credibility than you do. Your unsupported statement carries far less weight than his posts do, again thanks to your previous actions. Because of what I have observed in the past, if you said that water was wet I would require some other person to corroborate your statement. In the meantime, I merely note that you say that quite a few other posters are liars. It is quite noticeable that their lies appear to all be about you. It is also quite noticeable that they tend to be able to support their alleged lies, while you cannot. You cannot, for example, point to the 'invisible, undetectable malware' which you say might (without any supporting evidence whatsoever) be installed by ClamXAV. This 'invisible, undetectable malware' cannot be detected by multiple anti-malware systems. It takes up no space on hard drives. It uses no CPU cycles. It uses no RAM. It makes no network accesses of any kind. Yet you state that it might exists. Some of the poster who you say lie about you have given plausible reasons why you might continue to state that there might be malware installed by ClamXAV; you have not been able to refute them, save by saying that they're lying. It is unlikely that so many other posters are all saying the same lies. It is much more likely that they are not the ones who are lying. You have no credibility at all. I'm saddened that you think so. :-( IP Lookup Result for 216.114.94.12 IP Address: 216.114.94.12 Organization: Palm Beach State College ISP/Hosting: Palm Beach State College Updated: 01/10/2018 03:10 PM City: Lake Worth Country: United States State: Florida Postal Code: 33467 Timezone: America/New_York = Is it nice there? -- “Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.” (Winston S. Churchill) It appears that you are sufficiently incompetent that you think that header information is of significant value. If you check, you will see that my header information shows that I post from multiple locations, including several American institutions of higher education, from landlines run by AT&T, Comcast, Cox, Frontier, Times-Warner, and Verizon, from cellular connections run by AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon. You might detect that my headers say that I'm posting from as far north as Boston, MA, as far south as Miami, FL, and as far west as Dallas, TX. You might even detect that once I posted from North Miami Beach, FL, and less than an hour later from Arlington, TX and less than two hours after that from New York, NY. If, that is, the headers on my posts have any bearing whatsoever on reality. You truly are as incompetent, and as stupid, as so many others have posted. Should you check more closely, you might discover that the alleged Palm Beach State connection was not to a school computer. This may or may not be a clue, or would be if you were even a half-wit. As you do not qualify for that lofty status, do keep trying. _________________ end included text |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 07:12:16 -0500, Panthera Tigris Altaica
wrote: I think that the OP is really the notorious stalker troll David B. under a new nym. David B. has been stalking and attempting to dox multiple posters, including me, for a very long time. I agree, it might be him. He has asked exactly the same thing in the past. If you are right, the STALKER will then go on to add more newsgroups to the follow ups, probably posting a reply that adds ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the thread like: Message-ID: //Thank you for a really *GREAT* response. :-) I have no doubt that many others reading here will benefit from digesting that information.// Even if he was not the OP, he piggy-backs to create a STALKING thread. https://web.archive.org/web/20180204...ks-stalker.php It's what he does. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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