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Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
Canuck57 wrote:
"Telamon" wrote in message ... In article 3sA0k.80$ze2.10@pd7urf1no, "Canuck57" wrote: SNIP Here is a clue, how about dropping RRS from the distribution where this is off topic? -- Telamon Ventura, California If you are policing, hunt up the one who added it to the off topic group, which was not I. And I assume you mean rec.radio.shortwave? Could be some ISP has a poorly configured news server too. I certainly didn't add that in. Nor me Anyway, it is a change to have some rational discussion on the subject. One consideration I have with regard to operating systems is that Microsoft do employ a large number of people in the US and do have resources to experiment, that is to take on innovative projects that are not financially disastrous to the company if they fail to find a large market. Many smaller companies who might develop similar projects would fail because they would face too much time to market. So yes Microsoft definitely has a place, no problem with that, but it is going to get tougher to keep it because until some really new technology appears there is a limit to what can be added to any operating system, Vista for example does not add that much to the functionality of XP, but if people have trouble with it then it actually takes something away from them. Personally I have found that users quickly get used to the newer Linux distributions and for work these are just fine. For games of course not so good, but then you don't want people playing counter strike at work eh? A side effect of my messing with it at work is that now, maybe 20 people know there is an alternative OS they can put on the old machine they can't use because XP/ME is broken and they lost or damaged the CD. As they haul that out of the closet for the kids to use or as a spare machine their friends will see it and use it. This is why I say that MS need to be careful, because at some future date the rise in the use of alternatives could become exponential, Linux' problem has been that nobody got familiar with it in their day to day life. As they do that things could change. Computer stores will have to offer it, techs will have to learn it, etc. My IT pro will not adopt Vista if he can avoid it because the company has no real use for the "Extra" features it offers over XP. Most work related stuff requires only internet access and text entry with some spreadsheet work thrown in. Basically we have to have W2003 on one server per facility, but could equally well use a Linux with open office for everything, including access to the server (The main data entry program used is Windows only). Why would we spend say $1500 each for all new machines in order to do just what we do now? Over time maybe, IF we could get the networking between Vista and "Something else" reliable, but that is another issue. Personally, were I Mr Gates or Mr Ballmer, I think I'd rather see pirate copies of XP used than have Linux appearing on random desktops, but I'm not So I don't really advocate anything, only state what appears to me to be the obvious. That there is plenty of hardware out there that can be refurbished, and with the financial situation many people are in now I can see that happening. I mean what is XP going to cost, assuming you can get it legitimately in the future, couple of hundred? Then something like MS Office? Couple of hundred? Ubuntu and Open Office - nothing - zilch, maybe the price of a blank CD of you want to be picky. Now I happen to like XP, but hey, I am not the one "Taking it away". I like Vista, but I also have older machines it simply cannot run on, where XP runs just fine for most things. Debian and Ubuntu run well on just about anything - although to be honest I did find one old one that ran XP but not Linux and cannot explain that because it was really too old anyway and I trashed it. So you know, it's got to be a valid decision for Microsoft to make - what happens to XP? I think my inclination would be to keep selling it, gradually reducing the price. If not, people will steal it or worse still (IMHO) look elsewhere. I don;t think you can declare million of machines obsolete in the space of a year or two. I don't know any IT pro who really wants to rush out and buy a new OS the day it is released, especially when the "Core" is radically different from the previous version. As someone (you?) suggested the progress on the Linux core should hold far fewer surprises being more incremental. However to be fair I have noted more "Glitches" in the current release of Ubuntu than in the version I have at work which is now maybe 2 years old. Debian is harder to get set up, but rock steady by comparison. This suggests that as more "Glitz" is added to any OS more things get unreliable. So yes, many people like Windows and will continue to do so, those who don't really care as long as it works reliably may reconsider, and guess what, those are often the people with hundreds of machines to maintain. |
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Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
Unknown wrote:
Aren't YOU keeping up with technology. Did you buy a plasma or LCD TV set. Are you going digital? Crippled shareware indeed. I don't use virus programs either. I don't shell out hundreds of bucks every 3 or 4 years. Your words not mine. If you do that's your business. Media playthings?? Are you a child? I have always been ahead of technology, not "keeping up". And yes, when it comes to making music, I am a child. Microsoft has nothing going for it other than the DirectX graphics library and strong-arm deals with mass-marketers of inferior hardware. |
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Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
Unknown wrote:
Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes? I shouldn't have to. |
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Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
Billy Smith wrote:
Consider that a good backup drive from Western Digital costs maybe 100-200 USD and that would protect you from system crashes should they occur. How does a mass storage device prevent crashes? What is quite interesting to me is that often I have Windows Media player working at the same time as doing QuickBooks, website development, and working on business projects at the same time. Not to mention a multitiude of other pop up things like Weatherbug, etc. Talk about yer power users... Also, it might be prudent to use some good quality software from a recognized vendor. The usual cheap way of doing things is not the best way no matter how much you may save. I've found that the best software costs nothing. It isn't always the system that is at fault. In fact, with the new patches coming up over time the operating systems generally improve. This isn't precision parts manufacturing for the military jet fighter brigade. In broadcasting we don't tolerate crashes and freezing, because it tends to annoy the audience. On the front lines, computers are very mission-critical. |
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Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
That's the indication you have tunnel vision and do not understand the real
problem. It (your tunnel vision) can be caused by your very negative attitude. "Adam Albright" wrote in message ... On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:45:47 -0500, "Unknown" wrote: Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes? Sure, poor design, bugs and sloppy, bloated untested code. |
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That's more stupid than the first.
"dave" wrote in message ... Unknown wrote: Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes? I shouldn't have to. |
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Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
Easy-------too dumb to keep a job.
"Adam Albright" wrote in message ... On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:03:29 -0500, "Unknown" wrote: If you have to wonder about that you have no business sense whatsoever. Really? Then maybe you can explain how I managed to retire nearly 20 years ago just a little past 40. |
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Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 06:40:23 -0700, dave wrote:
In broadcasting we don't tolerate crashes and freezing, because it tends to annoy the audience. On the front lines, computers are very mission-critical. Talk about annoying the audience, a somewhat new trend in live local TV news broadcasts in Chicago and I'll assume elsewhere the last few years is to have a long shot showing the anchors in the foreground while passerby on the street are shown since it now seems to be the "in" thing to have a showcase studio at street level. Invariably some yahoo stares or just has to wave or jump or down or do something dumb, which in my options totally destroys the anchor's creditability making the news, suppose to be a serious show, look more like a circus. Even dumber is the director of CNBC's popular "Fast Money" show that features motor mouth anchor Dyland Ratigan and four "experts" giving stock tips each trying to out talk each other. While I find the banter often interesting, the director constantly makes fast cuts to show one of the experts not talking while you still hear the one that is. This probably was a accident originally, but now it seems to be a "feature" of the show with whoever the director switches to as soon as they're aware the camera is on them they ham it up, like smirk or roll their eyes or do something else silly while the other guy is still heard talking. I don't get it. |
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Unknown wrote:
Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes? I shouldn't have to. That's more stupid than the first. (top posting fixed to ensure clarity) Why should he HAVE to worry about what causes crashes? Any properly running appliances, such a refrigerators, alarm clocks, etc., cause no worry OR a need for detective work. You plug them in and they do their job. mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:46:23 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote: O.K. You built it and it keeps crashing. That describes you. I built the system. Microsoft built the operating system. That is what crashes and has so many security holes in it. Funny thing, I'm not alone. Check it out: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...Vista+problems I guess the "WOW" Microsoft use to use to describe Vista must be they knew Google would find millions of people having problems. Since you asked, consider this one: http://security.itproportal.com/arti...rns-microsoft/ It seems Apple's popular browser Safari is a security risk on the Windows platform and Microsoft just made an official request for Windows users to stay away from it and not use it. Oh this is indeed interesting. If you're a true blue Microsoft fan you're trusting Microsoft crap like Defender and UAC to PROTECT you. Well not so fast. This issue and THREAT is due to how Windows in both XP and Vista handles executable files on the desktop, the most logical place you would have a link to a browser. Oh you remember, the very things Microsoft claims it wants to protect you from with Defender and UAC. Guess those things don't work too well. Surprise! Honest, you Microsoft apologists make be laugh so hard my ribs hurt. |
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Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:49:05 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote: That's more stupid than the first. This newsgroup is overflowing with stupid comments. Many of them seem to be coming from guys like you that can't stand to see anyone being critical of Vista. Sorry to inform you it sounds like you have been inflicted with the same fatal disease the resident troll Frank has where the person just rants and screams and keeps making excuses for Microsoft releasing crap. "dave" wrote in message .. . Unknown wrote: Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes? I shouldn't have to. |
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Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:49:52 -0500, "Unknown"
wrote: Easy-------too dumb to keep a job. My current job is to make idiots like you sound like crackpots. You make it way too easy since you do all the work. "Adam Albright" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 18:03:29 -0500, "Unknown" wrote: If you have to wonder about that you have no business sense whatsoever. Really? Then maybe you can explain how I managed to retire nearly 20 years ago just a little past 40. |
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Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
With approximately 180 million computers running Windows XP and you have a
problem, does that tell you anything? "Adam Albright" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:46:23 -0500, "Unknown" wrote: O.K. You built it and it keeps crashing. That describes you. I built the system. Microsoft built the operating system. That is what crashes and has so many security holes in it. Funny thing, I'm not alone. Check it out: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...Vista+problems I guess the "WOW" Microsoft use to use to describe Vista must be they knew Google would find millions of people having problems. Since you asked, consider this one: http://security.itproportal.com/arti...rns-microsoft/ It seems Apple's popular browser Safari is a security risk on the Windows platform and Microsoft just made an official request for Windows users to stay away from it and not use it. Oh this is indeed interesting. If you're a true blue Microsoft fan you're trusting Microsoft crap like Defender and UAC to PROTECT you. Well not so fast. This issue and THREAT is due to how Windows in both XP and Vista handles executable files on the desktop, the most logical place you would have a link to a browser. Oh you remember, the very things Microsoft claims it wants to protect you from with Defender and UAC. Guess those things don't work too well. Surprise! Honest, you Microsoft apologists make be laugh so hard my ribs hurt. |
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Now YOU have a narrow mind. Do you constantly add new programs to an
appliance? Do you infect them with the likes of Norton, Symantec or registry cleaners? Wake up and compare apples to apples. "m II" wrote in message news:9oT0k.496$7B3.76@edtnps91... Unknown wrote: Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes? I shouldn't have to. That's more stupid than the first. (top posting fixed to ensure clarity) Why should he HAVE to worry about what causes crashes? Any properly running appliances, such a refrigerators, alarm clocks, etc., cause no worry OR a need for detective work. You plug them in and they do their job. mike -- Due to the insane amount of spam and garbage, this filter blocks all postings from Gmail, Google Mail and Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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Holy Cow-----Do you ever read your posts and criticize them? You should
talk. "Adam Albright" wrote in message ... On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 08:49:05 -0500, "Unknown" wrote: That's more stupid than the first. This newsgroup is overflowing with stupid comments. Many of them seem to be coming from guys like you that can't stand to see anyone being critical of Vista. Sorry to inform you it sounds like you have been inflicted with the same fatal disease the resident troll Frank has where the person just rants and screams and keeps making excuses for Microsoft releasing crap. "dave" wrote in message . .. Unknown wrote: Very stupid comment. Ever stop to think what causes the crashes? I shouldn't have to. |
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