ARTICLE: Users Not Upgrading XP to Vista (Even with SP1)

My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run into
millions of
pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people absolutely hate it!

Users Not Upgrading XP to Vista (Even with SP1), SP3 Didn't Do it

ARTICLE:
Over a year after the general availability of Windows Vista (January 30,
2007), and a year and a half after the business launch of the latest Windows
client (November 30, 2006), the product has yet to receive the love
forecasted by Microsoft. While predicting nothing short of Wow experiences,
it is waking up following the availability of Windows Vista Service Pack 1
to the sound of silence where upgrades from Windows XP to Windows Vista
should have been. This realization seems difficult to sink in for the
Redmond company.

"During the conference call my team had on Friday, we were discussing the
upcoming content we are planning for the August-December timeframe. One of
my team members who shall remain nameless stated that most of the customers
he has talked to aren't upgrading existing Windows XP machines to Windows
Vista. Instead, they are just buying new machines with Windows Vista as the
old XP machines roll off the books and are re-purposed, or die," revealed
Keith Combs, Microsoft IT Pro Evangelist.

According to statistics provided by Microsoft, Windows Vista had sold in
excess of 140 million licenses by March 2008. Data published by Net
Applications give Vista a 14.57% share of the operating system market at the
end of April 2008. By comparison, Windows XP accounts for a share of 73.07%,
down from a high of 85.02% back in January 2007. With worldwide shipments of
PCs reaching over 250 million items the past year, it is clear that Vista's
growth comes largely from acquisitions of new machines rather than from
upgrades.

"None of the security, network, search, etc. improvements warrant an upgrade
of an existing machine, even with Aero glass turned off so that it performs
on par or better than Windows XP?" Combs asked rhetorically. But the real
question was "Is that accurate? Is that what you are doing?" with Combs
referring to the customers' failure to upgrade. The comments wrote in
response to Combs' post indicate that customers are steering clear of
Windows Vista, and sticking to what they already know, namely XP.

The reasons for doing this are multiple, and they are related to the now
year old problems of the operating system that caused a barrage of bad
publicity. Vista is avoided due to performance issues, compatibility
problems, but also the cost of the upgrade, although Microsoft has
continually touted that the operating system would deliver a lower TCO in
the end. However, the total cost of ownership does not generally include the
costs of the upgrade. But one thing is clear: none of the users mentioned
Service Pack 3 as the reason why the move to Vista was avoided. At the same
time, SP1 for Windows Vista also failed to catalyze a new wave of upgrades
to the latest Windows client.

"Are you running mixed environments of old and new machines with each OS? I
understand for small and small medium businesses that's unlikely, but what
about when you have several hundred PCs up? Are you buying new machines with
WinXP or flattening them and installing WinXP? What happens when we stop
selling Windows XP in a few weeks?" Combs asked.

People "hear" that there are problems with Vista. And that is the problem.
Its no worse on old hardware than what occurred with any new version of
Windows.

I recall when a co-worker told me he would not buy Windows because he would
have to upgrade his memory to 4 MBytes (note: not GigaBytes but MegaBytes).
So he would stick with Dos.

Back then, an upgrade like that would have cost hundreds of dollars, and
that's not even adjusting for inflation.

Another aside, I was watching the 1994 Movie "Clear and Present Danger"
yesterday and noticed in one scene there is a machine inside a glass
enclosed cabinet in an office filled with computers. The machine has a
mechanical arm that retrieves data tapes. I recall reading about that
machine in a magazine when it was introduced and it was the equivalent of 1
TeraByte of tape storage.
I have a 'WD My Book' sitting on my shelf that has the same capacity, and a
few orders of magnitude cheaper.

Microsoft's historical success is largely due to thinking about future
computing hardware. And Vista matches that pattern.

"Clear Windows" wrote in message
...
My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run into
millions of
pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people absolutely hate it!

Users Not Upgrading XP to Vista (Even with SP1), SP3 Didn't Do it

ARTICLE:
Over a year after the general availability of Windows Vista (January 30,
2007), and a year and a half after the business launch of the latest
Windows client (November 30, 2006), the product has yet to receive the
love forecasted by Microsoft. While predicting nothing short of Wow
experiences, it is waking up following the availability of Windows Vista
Service Pack 1 to the sound of silence where upgrades from Windows XP to
Windows Vista should have been. This realization seems difficult to sink
in for the Redmond company.

"During the conference call my team had on Friday, we were discussing the
upcoming content we are planning for the August-December timeframe. One of
my team members who shall remain nameless stated that most of the
customers he has talked to aren't upgrading existing Windows XP machines
to Windows Vista. Instead, they are just buying new machines with Windows
Vista as the old XP machines roll off the books and are re-purposed, or
die," revealed Keith Combs, Microsoft IT Pro Evangelist.

According to statistics provided by Microsoft, Windows Vista had sold in
excess of 140 million licenses by March 2008. Data published by Net
Applications give Vista a 14.57% share of the operating system market at
the end of April 2008. By comparison, Windows XP accounts for a share of
73.07%, down from a high of 85.02% back in January 2007. With worldwide
shipments of PCs reaching over 250 million items the past year, it is
clear that Vista's growth comes largely from acquisitions of new machines
rather than from upgrades.

"None of the security, network, search, etc. improvements warrant an
upgrade of an existing machine, even with Aero glass turned off so that it
performs on par or better than Windows XP?" Combs asked rhetorically. But
the real question was "Is that accurate? Is that what you are doing?" with
Combs referring to the customers' failure to upgrade. The comments wrote
in response to Combs' post indicate that customers are steering clear of
Windows Vista, and sticking to what they already know, namely XP.

The reasons for doing this are multiple, and they are related to the now
year old problems of the operating system that caused a barrage of bad
publicity. Vista is avoided due to performance issues, compatibility
problems, but also the cost of the upgrade, although Microsoft has
continually touted that the operating system would deliver a lower TCO in
the end. However, the total cost of ownership does not generally include
the costs of the upgrade. But one thing is clear: none of the users
mentioned Service Pack 3 as the reason why the move to Vista was avoided.
At the same time, SP1 for Windows Vista also failed to catalyze a new wave
of upgrades to the latest Windows client.

"Are you running mixed environments of old and new machines with each OS?
I understand for small and small medium businesses that's unlikely, but
what about when you have several hundred PCs up? Are you buying new
machines with WinXP or flattening them and installing WinXP? What happens
when we stop selling Windows XP in a few weeks?" Combs asked.


It's probably fair to say that a lot depends on your perceptions and
expectations. I know 2 people who speak very highly of Vista themselves and
can't really see what the fuss is about. As both are translators, their
power applications are internet, e-mail and word processing, all run on a
core 2 quad processor. As non of those are remotely demanding, it is
perhaps not unsurprising that Vista copes well. They both like the eye
candy, but freely admit that that they rarely use it.

On the other hand, a visit to the forums of a well known video editing
application shows considerable problems with user trying to edit and produce
high definition video. Of those having major problems, there are two common
factors which seem to prevent the editor working the way users expect, one
is running it on any PC with a lesser processor than a core 2 duo (or core 2
quad for the really demanding formats). The other is running it under
Vista, not because it shouldn't run under Vista, but because Vista hogs too
many resources and leaves too little free for the editor to do its stuff.

I have PCs that use both operating systems (Vista was preinstalled on my
laptop). I find it frustrating that once you discount the relatively
useless eye candy, Vista actually seems to have less functionality overall
than XP (not counting the software and hardware that doesn't work under
Vista - which only makes it worse). I know it includes extra functions like
DVD writing, but this could be added under XP using freeware third party
utilities.

I don't run heavy power applications on the laptop so if pushed I would
describe the Vista operating system as adequate, but I wouldn't mind
upgrading to XP, if only I could source motherboard chipset drivers.

Anyone ever tell you that you have an attidude problem?
"Clear Windows" wrote in message
...
My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run into
millions of
pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people absolutely hate it!

Users Not Upgrading XP to Vista (Even with SP1), SP3 Didn't Do it

ARTICLE:
Over a year after the general availability of Windows Vista (January 30,
2007), and a year and a half after the business launch of the latest
Windows client (November 30, 2006), the product has yet to receive the
love forecasted by Microsoft. While predicting nothing short of Wow
experiences, it is waking up following the availability of Windows Vista
Service Pack 1 to the sound of silence where upgrades from Windows XP to
Windows Vista should have been. This realization seems difficult to sink
in for the Redmond company.

"During the conference call my team had on Friday, we were discussing the
upcoming content we are planning for the August-December timeframe. One of
my team members who shall remain nameless stated that most of the
customers he has talked to aren't upgrading existing Windows XP machines
to Windows Vista. Instead, they are just buying new machines with Windows
Vista as the old XP machines roll off the books and are re-purposed, or
die," revealed Keith Combs, Microsoft IT Pro Evangelist.

According to statistics provided by Microsoft, Windows Vista had sold in
excess of 140 million licenses by March 2008. Data published by Net
Applications give Vista a 14.57% share of the operating system market at
the end of April 2008. By comparison, Windows XP accounts for a share of
73.07%, down from a high of 85.02% back in January 2007. With worldwide
shipments of PCs reaching over 250 million items the past year, it is
clear that Vista's growth comes largely from acquisitions of new machines
rather than from upgrades.

"None of the security, network, search, etc. improvements warrant an
upgrade of an existing machine, even with Aero glass turned off so that it
performs on par or better than Windows XP?" Combs asked rhetorically. But
the real question was "Is that accurate? Is that what you are doing?" with
Combs referring to the customers' failure to upgrade. The comments wrote
in response to Combs' post indicate that customers are steering clear of
Windows Vista, and sticking to what they already know, namely XP.

The reasons for doing this are multiple, and they are related to the now
year old problems of the operating system that caused a barrage of bad
publicity. Vista is avoided due to performance issues, compatibility
problems, but also the cost of the upgrade, although Microsoft has
continually touted that the operating system would deliver a lower TCO in
the end. However, the total cost of ownership does not generally include
the costs of the upgrade. But one thing is clear: none of the users
mentioned Service Pack 3 as the reason why the move to Vista was avoided.
At the same time, SP1 for Windows Vista also failed to catalyze a new wave
of upgrades to the latest Windows client.

"Are you running mixed environments of old and new machines with each OS?
I understand for small and small medium businesses that's unlikely, but
what about when you have several hundred PCs up? Are you buying new
machines with WinXP or flattening them and installing WinXP? What happens
when we stop selling Windows XP in a few weeks?" Combs asked.

MB"chipset"drivers are easy to get.

"M.I.5?" wrote in message
...

"Clear Windows" wrote in message
...
My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run into
millions of
pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people absolutely hate it!

Users Not Upgrading XP to Vista (Even with SP1), SP3 Didn't Do it

ARTICLE:
Over a year after the general availability of Windows Vista (January 30,
2007), and a year and a half after the business launch of the latest
Windows client (November 30, 2006), the product has yet to receive the
love forecasted by Microsoft. While predicting nothing short of Wow
experiences, it is waking up following the availability of Windows Vista
Service Pack 1 to the sound of silence where upgrades from Windows XP to
Windows Vista should have been. This realization seems difficult to sink
in for the Redmond company.

"During the conference call my team had on Friday, we were discussing the
upcoming content we are planning for the August-December timeframe. One
of my team members who shall remain nameless stated that most of the
customers he has talked to aren't upgrading existing Windows XP machines
to Windows Vista. Instead, they are just buying new machines with Windows
Vista as the old XP machines roll off the books and are re-purposed, or
die," revealed Keith Combs, Microsoft IT Pro Evangelist.

According to statistics provided by Microsoft, Windows Vista had sold in
excess of 140 million licenses by March 2008. Data published by Net
Applications give Vista a 14.57% share of the operating system market at
the end of April 2008. By comparison, Windows XP accounts for a share of
73.07%, down from a high of 85.02% back in January 2007. With worldwide
shipments of PCs reaching over 250 million items the past year, it is
clear that Vista's growth comes largely from acquisitions of new machines
rather than from upgrades.

"None of the security, network, search, etc. improvements warrant an
upgrade of an existing machine, even with Aero glass turned off so that
it performs on par or better than Windows XP?" Combs asked rhetorically.
But the real question was "Is that accurate? Is that what you are doing?"
with Combs referring to the customers' failure to upgrade. The comments
wrote in response to Combs' post indicate that customers are steering
clear of Windows Vista, and sticking to what they already know, namely
XP.

The reasons for doing this are multiple, and they are related to the now
year old problems of the operating system that caused a barrage of bad
publicity. Vista is avoided due to performance issues, compatibility
problems, but also the cost of the upgrade, although Microsoft has
continually touted that the operating system would deliver a lower TCO in
the end. However, the total cost of ownership does not generally include
the costs of the upgrade. But one thing is clear: none of the users
mentioned Service Pack 3 as the reason why the move to Vista was avoided.
At the same time, SP1 for Windows Vista also failed to catalyze a new
wave of upgrades to the latest Windows client.

"Are you running mixed environments of old and new machines with each OS?
I understand for small and small medium businesses that's unlikely, but
what about when you have several hundred PCs up? Are you buying new
machines with WinXP or flattening them and installing WinXP? What happens
when we stop selling Windows XP in a few weeks?" Combs asked.


It's probably fair to say that a lot depends on your perceptions and
expectations. I know 2 people who speak very highly of Vista themselves
and can't really see what the fuss is about. As both are translators,
their power applications are internet, e-mail and word processing, all run
on a core 2 quad processor. As non of those are remotely demanding, it is
perhaps not unsurprising that Vista copes well. They both like the eye
candy, but freely admit that that they rarely use it.

On the other hand, a visit to the forums of a well known video editing
application shows considerable problems with user trying to edit and
produce high definition video. Of those having major problems, there are
two common factors which seem to prevent the editor working the way users
expect, one is running it on any PC with a lesser processor than a core 2
duo (or core 2 quad for the really demanding formats). The other is
running it under Vista, not because it shouldn't run under Vista, but
because Vista hogs too many resources and leaves too little free for the
editor to do its stuff.

I have PCs that use both operating systems (Vista was preinstalled on my
laptop). I find it frustrating that once you discount the relatively
useless eye candy, Vista actually seems to have less functionality overall
than XP (not counting the software and hardware that doesn't work under
Vista - which only makes it worse). I know it includes extra functions
like DVD writing, but this could be added under XP using freeware third
party utilities.

I don't run heavy power applications on the laptop so if pushed I would
describe the Vista operating system as adequate, but I wouldn't mind
upgrading to XP, if only I could source motherboard chipset drivers.

In article ,
says...
My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run into
millions of pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people absolutely
hate it!


Why would anyone care if you think Vista is a pile of poo poo?

This group is for supporting people that ARE running vista or what to
run Vista or that have questions about Vista.

While many people don't want to run vista, myself included, it's the
next step and vendors will start building and pushing apps that require
the resources of Vista, until that time we can still use XP.

Vista does have one nice benefit that we didn't get in XP, I can use
more memory than I could under XP.

I think vista is at least a little better security wise as I've not had
any friends or relatives compromised while using Vista like they
normally do under XP.

People like to complain more than they like to praise, your post is a
good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their
computers, it's their computer not yours.


--
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(remove 999 for proper email address)

Microsoft's historical success is largely due to thinking about future
computing hardware. And Vista matches that pattern.

Actually, that doesn't work anymore. Diminishing return from information
technology which has been discussed and shared by many insiders in the past
few years is the clear and present danger of the IT as a whole. Vista is
just being part of the big picture and it will be getting more and more
serious for both hardware and software unless there will be some truly
breakthrough applications to come out.

Not everyone is without sense when adopting new technologies or treating
computers as toys (I was like that 20 years ago). Many do believe IT is one
of the most important business tools and thus tie it to ROI.


"Bender" wrote in message
...
People "hear" that there are problems with Vista. And that is the problem.
Its no worse on old hardware than what occurred with any new version of
Windows.

I recall when a co-worker told me he would not buy Windows because he
would have to upgrade his memory to 4 MBytes (note: not GigaBytes but
MegaBytes).
So he would stick with Dos.

Back then, an upgrade like that would have cost hundreds of dollars, and
that's not even adjusting for inflation.

Another aside, I was watching the 1994 Movie "Clear and Present Danger"
yesterday and noticed in one scene there is a machine inside a glass
enclosed cabinet in an office filled with computers. The machine has a
mechanical arm that retrieves data tapes. I recall reading about that
machine in a magazine when it was introduced and it was the equivalent of
1 TeraByte of tape storage.
I have a 'WD My Book' sitting on my shelf that has the same capacity, and
a few orders of magnitude cheaper.

Microsoft's historical success is largely due to thinking about future
computing hardware. And Vista matches that pattern.

Each to his(or her)own........
Whatever reasons people use or not use either Vista OR Windows is of their
choosing and that is that.
If anyone wants or needs proof(or not)of anything to do with Vista or XP
then it is up to them to go find it and not up to certain"loudmouths".
Comments like"People want proof that Vista is a pile of *** ***" and "I tell
them"are just that.
Comments(negative)and nothin more.
For myself nothing that others say or do make me decide what to buy, wear,
eat, drink, drive, use or say or what cpu and ram and OS to use or not use.
I make the choice for my reasons.
Others or"people"as the op stated also should be able to make the choice
also.
What others think or don't think about Vista has nothing whatsoever to do
with it all.
If "people"see someone drink a certain type drink or smoke a certain brand
cigar or whatever does not mean they have to do the same.
If Leythos thinks he or she or maybe it knows best and is the chosen voice
of the people then so what.........
Like I said, each to his her/their own.
IF Vista works for whoever or XP works for whoever then that is that.


"Leythos" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...
My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run into
millions of pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people
absolutely
hate it!


Why would anyone care if you think Vista is a pile of poo poo?

This group is for supporting people that ARE running vista or what to
run Vista or that have questions about Vista.

While many people don't want to run vista, myself included, it's the
next step and vendors will start building and pushing apps that require
the resources of Vista, until that time we can still use XP.

Vista does have one nice benefit that we didn't get in XP, I can use
more memory than I could under XP.

I think vista is at least a little better security wise as I've not had
any friends or relatives compromised while using Vista like they
normally do under XP.

People like to complain more than they like to praise, your post is a
good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their
computers, it's their computer not yours.


--
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(remove 999 for proper email address)

WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista

this newsgroup does not say
microsoft.public.provide-support-to-owners-of-vista

its microsoft.public.vista.general

that means I can come here and say vista is crap all I want and I don't have
to own vista (that I do own by the way, and know vista like the back of my
hand... well if my hand was dipped in poo, then vista would be like the back
of my hand)

Nope sorry... if you want some group limited to vista fanboys go join some
administrated forum....

So since I am free to say anything I want about the worst operating system
ever made...

I SAY VISTA IS CRAP!




"Leythos" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...
My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them, you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run into
millions of pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people
absolutely
hate it!


Why would anyone care if you think Vista is a pile of poo poo?

This group is for supporting people that ARE running vista or what to
run Vista or that have questions about Vista.

While many people don't want to run vista, myself included, it's the
next step and vendors will start building and pushing apps that require
the resources of Vista, until that time we can still use XP.

Vista does have one nice benefit that we didn't get in XP, I can use
more memory than I could under XP.

I think vista is at least a little better security wise as I've not had
any friends or relatives compromised while using Vista like they
normally do under XP.

People like to complain more than they like to praise, your post is a
good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their
computers, it's their computer not yours.


--
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(remove 999 for proper email address)

some people like doing very bad things, in fact they enjoy it, that does not
make it "ok" and just a matter of choice.
Some things are fundamentally WRONG AND BAD, and one of those things is
VISTA.

Its so horrible I would love to see it BANNED forever and taught at
programmer universities as a good example
of what a company can do BAD to DESTROY a successful product like XP.

I will be very happy to see vista die soon, when windows7 will come out...

it will be a very GOOD RIDDENs for vista...



"Fiddler" wrote in message
...
Each to his(or her)own........
Whatever reasons people use or not use either Vista OR Windows is of their
choosing and that is that.
If anyone wants or needs proof(or not)of anything to do with Vista or XP
then it is up to them to go find it and not up to certain"loudmouths".
Comments like"People want proof that Vista is a pile of *** ***" and "I
tell them"are just that.
Comments(negative)and nothin more.
For myself nothing that others say or do make me decide what to buy, wear,
eat, drink, drive, use or say or what cpu and ram and OS to use or not
use.
I make the choice for my reasons.
Others or"people"as the op stated also should be able to make the choice
also.
What others think or don't think about Vista has nothing whatsoever to do
with it all.
If "people"see someone drink a certain type drink or smoke a certain brand
cigar or whatever does not mean they have to do the same.
If Leythos thinks he or she or maybe it knows best and is the chosen voice
of the people then so what.........
Like I said, each to his her/their own.
IF Vista works for whoever or XP works for whoever then that is that.


"Leythos" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...
My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them,
you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run
into
millions of pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people
absolutely
hate it!


Why would anyone care if you think Vista is a pile of poo poo?

This group is for supporting people that ARE running vista or what to
run Vista or that have questions about Vista.

While many people don't want to run vista, myself included, it's the
next step and vendors will start building and pushing apps that require
the resources of Vista, until that time we can still use XP.

Vista does have one nice benefit that we didn't get in XP, I can use
more memory than I could under XP.

I think vista is at least a little better security wise as I've not had
any friends or relatives compromised while using Vista like they
normally do under XP.

People like to complain more than they like to praise, your post is a
good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their
computers, it's their computer not yours.


--
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(remove 999 for proper email address)

It also was posted in the XP GENERAL group
"Clear Windows" wrote in message
...
WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista

this newsgroup does not say
microsoft.public.provide-support-to-owners-of-vista

its microsoft.public.vista.general

that means I can come here and say vista is crap all I want and I don't
have to own vista (that I do own by the way, and know vista like the back
of my hand... well if my hand was dipped in poo, then vista would be like
the back of my hand)

Nope sorry... if you want some group limited to vista fanboys go join some
administrated forum....

So since I am free to say anything I want about the worst operating system
ever made...

I SAY VISTA IS CRAP!




"Leythos" wrote in message
. ..
In article ,
says...
My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them,
you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run
into
millions of pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people
absolutely
hate it!


Why would anyone care if you think Vista is a pile of poo poo?

This group is for supporting people that ARE running vista or what to
run Vista or that have questions about Vista.

While many people don't want to run vista, myself included, it's the
next step and vendors will start building and pushing apps that require
the resources of Vista, until that time we can still use XP.

Vista does have one nice benefit that we didn't get in XP, I can use
more memory than I could under XP.

I think vista is at least a little better security wise as I've not had
any friends or relatives compromised while using Vista like they
normally do under XP.

People like to complain more than they like to praise, your post is a
good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their
computers, it's their computer not yours.


--
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(remove 999 for proper email address)

Sorry, you are wrong again.
Excerpt:
"These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer
assistance related to using Microsoft products and services."

http://www.microsoft.com/communities...t/default.mspx

Clear Windows wrote:

WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista

this newsgroup does not say
microsoft.public.provide-support-to-owners-of-vista

its microsoft.public.vista.general

that means I can come here and say vista is crap all I want and I don't
have to own vista (that I do own by the way, and know vista like the
back of my hand... well if my hand was dipped in poo, then vista would
be like the back of my hand)

Nope sorry... if you want some group limited to vista fanboys go join
some administrated forum....

So since I am free to say anything I want about the worst operating
system ever made...

I SAY VISTA IS CRAP!




"Leythos" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them,
you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run
into
millions of pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people
absolutely
hate it!


Why would anyone care if you think Vista is a pile of poo poo?

This group is for supporting people that ARE running vista or what to
run Vista or that have questions about Vista.

While many people don't want to run vista, myself included, it's the
next step and vendors will start building and pushing apps that require
the resources of Vista, until that time we can still use XP.

Vista does have one nice benefit that we didn't get in XP, I can use
more memory than I could under XP.

I think vista is at least a little better security wise as I've not had
any friends or relatives compromised while using Vista like they
normally do under XP.

People like to complain more than they like to praise, your post is a
good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their
computers, it's their computer not yours.


--
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(remove 999 for proper email address)

"Bob I" wrote in message
...
Sorry, you are wrong again.
Excerpt:
"These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer
assistance related to using Microsoft products and services."

Clear Windows just wants to create trouble. The reason he is ****ed is
because he can't figure out Vista. I think he needs something like Ubuntu.
One week with Ubuntu, he will be crawling back to Vista!


http://www.microsoft.com/communities...t/default.mspx

Clear Windows wrote:

WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista

this newsgroup does not say
microsoft.public.provide-support-to-owners-of-vista

its microsoft.public.vista.general

that means I can come here and say vista is crap all I want and I don't
have to own vista (that I do own by the way, and know vista like the back
of my hand... well if my hand was dipped in poo, then vista would be like
the back of my hand)

Nope sorry... if you want some group limited to vista fanboys go join
some administrated forum....

So since I am free to say anything I want about the worst operating
system ever made...

I SAY VISTA IS CRAP!




"Leythos" wrote in message
. ..

In article ,
says...

My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell them,
you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run
into
millions of pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people
absolutely
hate it!


Why would anyone care if you think Vista is a pile of poo poo?

This group is for supporting people that ARE running vista or what to
run Vista or that have questions about Vista.

While many people don't want to run vista, myself included, it's the
next step and vendors will start building and pushing apps that require
the resources of Vista, until that time we can still use XP.

Vista does have one nice benefit that we didn't get in XP, I can use
more memory than I could under XP.

I think vista is at least a little better security wise as I've not had
any friends or relatives compromised while using Vista like they
normally do under XP.

People like to complain more than they like to praise, your post is a
good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their
computers, it's their computer not yours.


--
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(remove 999 for proper email address)

Bob I wrote:
Sorry, you are wrong again.
Excerpt:
"These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer
assistance related to using Microsoft products and services."

http://www.microsoft.com/communities...t/default.mspx

Considering that this is Usenet, not "communities", what you posted is
not relevant. I am posting from aioe.org, not msnews so I have no reason
or obligation to follow any of MS' silly rules.

Alias

Clear Windows wrote:

WRONG! this group is not about supporting people running Vista

this newsgroup does not say
microsoft.public.provide-support-to-owners-of-vista

its microsoft.public.vista.general

that means I can come here and say vista is crap all I want and I
don't have to own vista (that I do own by the way, and know vista like
the back of my hand... well if my hand was dipped in poo, then vista
would be like the back of my hand)

Nope sorry... if you want some group limited to vista fanboys go join
some administrated forum....

So since I am free to say anything I want about the worst operating
system ever made...

I SAY VISTA IS CRAP!




"Leythos" wrote in message
. ..

In article ,
says...

My comment:
People want proof that vista is a pile of poo poo... and I tell
them, you
want proof on a platter? Screw you! Do some surfing and you will run
into
millions of pages that state how bad Vista is and how much people
absolutely
hate it!


Why would anyone care if you think Vista is a pile of poo poo?

This group is for supporting people that ARE running vista or what to
run Vista or that have questions about Vista.

While many people don't want to run vista, myself included, it's the
next step and vendors will start building and pushing apps that require
the resources of Vista, until that time we can still use XP.

Vista does have one nice benefit that we didn't get in XP, I can use
more memory than I could under XP.

I think vista is at least a little better security wise as I've not had
any friends or relatives compromised while using Vista like they
normally do under XP.

People like to complain more than they like to praise, your post is a
good example of that. Why do you care what people run on their
computers, it's their computer not yours.


--
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
(remove 999 for proper email address)

"Bill Yanaire" wrote in message
...

"Bob I" wrote in message
...
Sorry, you are wrong again.
Excerpt:
"These communities were created as a forum for providing peer-to-peer
assistance related to using Microsoft products and services."

Clear Windows just wants to create trouble. The reason he is ****ed is
because he can't figure out Vista. I think he needs something like
Ubuntu.
One week with Ubuntu, he will be crawling back to Vista!

Neither can Microsoft figure out why it is so slow.

Ooops, I forgot, MS knows best and we are all just troll users. LOL.