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I keep getting large icons?
I _NEVER_ want the large icons view - I want "details".
From time to time - difficult to pin down a common cause - I end up with an icons view, especially if I've looked at one of the top-level pseudofolders, such as "My Documents". Trouble is, if I drill down from there to - well, for example, currently D:\genealog.y\PETER\!pending\Gilliver - the view _remains_ on large icons. Any suggestions, other than live with it? I know about Make All Folders Like This One, and so on - doesn't work (at least not for ever). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": fighting, fleeing, feeding, and mating. -Heard in a neuropsychology classroom |
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I keep getting large icons?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I _NEVER_ want the large icons view - I want "details". From time to time - difficult to pin down a common cause - I end up with an icons view, especially if I've looked at one of the top-level pseudofolders, such as "My Documents". Trouble is, if I drill down from there to - well, for example, currently D:\genealog.y\PETER\!pending\Gilliver - the view _remains_ on large icons. Any suggestions, other than live with it? I know about Make All Folders Like This One, and so on - doesn't work (at least not for ever). If there are graphics files in the folder (GIF or JPG), perhaps that is triggering the folder to be treated as a special photos folder ? (In the lower right corner of the white space used for the folder, you'll see a bluish icon indicating the special status.) There is mention of a "Use this folder type as a template", and perhaps all the photo folders (on creation) will inherit the template. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/812003 I checked a photo folder here, and mine seems to be in detail view. And for whatever reason, if I make another folder with only images in it, it's still in detail view. I don't remember fixing this... I seem to remember turning off Thumbnail creation at some point, but that may be all I've adjusted. Paul |
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I keep getting large icons?
In message , Paul
writes: [] If there are graphics files in the folder (GIF or JPG), perhaps that is triggering the folder to be treated as a special photos folder ? (In the lower right corner of the white space used for the folder, you'll see a bluish icon indicating the special status.) No, it's not the content - because once it has started to work in icons mode (not thumbnails, I think), it stays in icons mode, even if I look at another folder. There is mention of a "Use this folder type as a template", and perhaps all the photo folders (on creation) will inherit the template. (I thought that was only in Windows 7, but I'm probably wrong.) [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Freedom of the press is limited to those who have one. |
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I keep getting large icons?
It's broken. It never did work right because Microsoft
didn't code it properly and then never fixed the bug. A fix and full explanation are he http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5#folfix (I also wrote a fix for Vista/7 at one point, which is slightly different from XP. But in my limited experience with Vista/7 it appears that MS finally fixed the bug.) |
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I keep getting large icons?
In message , Mayayana
writes: It's broken. It never did work right because Microsoft didn't code it properly and then never fixed the bug. A fix and full explanation are he http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5#folfix (I also wrote a fix for Vista/7 at one point, which is slightly different from XP. But in my limited experience with Vista/7 it appears that MS finally fixed the bug.) Thanks for that, but "XPFix and XP Folder Fix are HTA utilities. HTA stands for "HTML Application". An HTA is just a webpage that runs in Internet Explorer like a program." I fear I don't want to have everything in a browser window, so I'll just stick with the buggy Explorer. (Sorry, that sounds more ungrateful than I intend.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Freedom of the press is limited to those who have one. |
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I keep getting large icons?
| http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5#folfix
| | (I also wrote a fix for Vista/7 at one point, which is | slightly different from XP. But in my limited experience | with Vista/7 it appears that MS finally fixed the bug.) | | Thanks for that, but "XPFix and XP Folder Fix are HTA utilities. HTA | stands for "HTML Application". An HTA is just a webpage that runs in | Internet Explorer like a program." I fear I don't want to have | everything in a browser window, so I'll just stick with the buggy | Explorer. (Sorry, that sounds more ungrateful than I intend.) I don't understand. You don't want everything in a browser window? The utility doesn't put your folders in a browser window. What it does is to fix the Registry settings for folder display. It does that with VBScript. The HTA is just a graphical interface, so that people can specify the settings they want without having to edit script code. In other words, it's like a program that you might install to fix folders. It's just that it's written in script instead because that's quicker and easier to do....and because it allows people to inspect the code if they want to. I won't feel insulted if you just don't want to trust other peoples' software. But there's nothing "iffy" about HTAs per se. They're used quite a bit by corporate IT to write quick, customizable GUI software. I'd tell you how to do it yourself, but it's not that kind of a thing. The settings are complex and convoluted. (There's a detailed explanation in the HTA file in the download, below the utility GUI.) |
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I keep getting large icons?
In message , Mayayana
writes: | http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5#folfix | | (I also wrote a fix for Vista/7 at one point, which is | slightly different from XP. But in my limited experience | with Vista/7 it appears that MS finally fixed the bug.) | | Thanks for that, but "XPFix and XP Folder Fix are HTA utilities. HTA | stands for "HTML Application". An HTA is just a webpage that runs in | Internet Explorer like a program." I fear I don't want to have | everything in a browser window, so I'll just stick with the buggy | Explorer. (Sorry, that sounds more ungrateful than I intend.) I don't understand. You don't want everything in a browser window? The utility doesn't put your folders in a browser window. What it does is to fix the Registry settings for folder display. It does that with VBScript. The HTA is just a graphical interface, so that people can specify the settings they want without having to edit script code. In other words, it's like a program that you might install to fix folders. It's just that it's written in script instead because that's quicker and easier to do....and because it allows people to inspect the code if they want to. I won't feel insulted if you just don't want to trust other peoples' software. But there's nothing "iffy" about HTAs per se. They're used quite a bit by corporate IT to write quick, customizable GUI software. I'd tell you how to do it yourself, but it's not that kind of a thing. The settings are complex and convoluted. (There's a detailed explanation in the HTA file in the download, below the utility GUI.) Thanks. The explanation on your page led me to believe that it was something that ran in a browser window (which is sort of true) but that also all my exploring would then be in browser windows (which is of course not the case). I've tried it. I wasn't able to drag the edges of the sample window, but was able to enter figures into the boxes in the next one down, so no matter. The application triggered my firewall several times, and them went unresponsive for a _long_ time (I think more than the few seconds it warns about!), then reported it had successfully adjusted 8xx windows. I think it has worked. Thanks for it. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... so cracking a joke would be like farting in the Sistine Chapel. - Alison Graham, Radio Times 29 January-4 February 2011 |
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I keep getting large icons?
Mayayana wrote:
It's broken. It never did work right because Microsoft didn't code it properly and then never fixed the bug. A fix and full explanation are he http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5#folfix (I also wrote a fix for Vista/7 at one point, which is slightly different from XP. But in my limited experience with Vista/7 it appears that MS finally fixed the bug.) You'll notice the description for that utility says: Windows stores settings for up to 5,000 folders and then ignores them! Wrong. You can edit the registry settings for how large is the folder customization cache. Increase the folder customization cache's size. See my 1st-level post to Gilliver on how to change the cache size which can be done with registry editing or tweakers. |
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I keep getting large icons?
| You'll notice the description for that utility says:
| | Windows stores settings for up to 5,000 folders and then ignores them! | | Wrong. I don't claim to be a genius, but I have done extensive research on this particular topic. See my other post. You're often quick to just slam people with "Wrong!". It's not up to me to lecture you on the value of diplomacy and manners, but if you enjoy being smug you should at least make sure you're absolutely right in your position before hitting other people over the head with your "victory proclamation". It will not only help your public image, but will also be more helpful to people reading your answers. |
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I keep getting large icons?
Mayayana wrote:
| You'll notice the description for that utility says: | | Windows stores settings for up to 5,000 folders and then ignores them! | | Wrong. I don't claim to be a genius, but I have done extensive research on this particular topic. See my other post. You're often quick to just slam people with "Wrong!". It's not up to me to lecture you on the value of diplomacy and manners, but if you enjoy being smug you should at least make sure you're absolutely right in your position before hitting other people over the head with your "victory proclamation". It will not only help your public image, but will also be more helpful to people reading your answers. In your other post, you do not contradict that enlarging the cache will result in saving more folder customizations. You said here that Windows ignores after 5000. Well, if that were true then upping the cache size would have absolutely no effect. Since the cache can be increased above 5000, your statement here was wrong. You contravened it yourself in your other post. |
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I keep getting large icons?
| You said here that Windows | ignores after 5000. Well, if that were true then upping the cache size | would have absolutely no effect. Since the cache can be increased above | 5000, your statement here was wrong. I think this cache limit thing is creating unnecessary confusion. It's a red herring issue. The webpage says Explorer ignores up to 5,000 settings because the default cache limit value (as of SP2, I think) is 5,000. That statement was not meant to imply that you can't change the default cache size. The page is not addressing the issue of cache size adjustments at all. It means, "Can you believe it?! Explorer is storing thousands of folder settings and then ignoring all of them!" So, yes, you can increase the cache size. I don't doubt that setting it to 8,000 gives you a limit of 8,000. But in most cases people are not opening over 5,000 folders, so that's not an issue. The webpage you found applies to earlier XP, which originally had a cache limit of 400. The limit of 400 *was* often an issue. Are we clear now? If you fixed icon/details/list display by deleting all of those bags keys and re-setting the BagMRU Size value to 8,000 then it's almost certain that the fix was due to deleting the cache and not due to setting BagMRU Size to 8,000. (The only way it could have been the latter would be if you had opened over 5,000 distinct folders.) |
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I keep getting large icons?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I _NEVER_ want the large icons view - I want "details". From time to time - difficult to pin down a common cause - I end up with an icons view, especially if I've looked at one of the top-level pseudofolders, such as "My Documents". Trouble is, if I drill down from there to - well, for example, currently D:\genealog.y\PETER\!pending\Gilliver - the view _remains_ on large icons. Any suggestions, other than live with it? I know about Make All Folders Like This One, and so on - doesn't work (at least not for ever). http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813711 I upped mine to 8000. Note that I've seen this data item's name referenced as "BagMRU Size" and "Bag MRU Size". I've added both since whichever is the wrong one won't have an effect. If you don't want to edit the registry, use the TweakUI powertoy for Windows XP (under the Explorer - Customizations tree node) to alter the value. That modifies the the "Bag MRU Size" (with space between "Bag" and "MRU") data item in the registry hence why I have both data items defined there. Microsoft says "BagMRU Size" into the KB articles but TweakUI and other tweakers create and modify "Bag MRU Size". Note that increasing this cache size merely extends how long before customizations get lost. If you have more than 8000 folders than increase this value further. I don't know what is its max value but I'm sure there is one (after all, DWORD values in the registry can have up to a max of 8 hexidemcal digits for a max value of FFFFFFFF hex or 4,294,967,295 decimal). When I run "cd /d c:\" and then "dir /ad /s" in a command shell (aka DOS prompt), the total directory (folder) count is over 21,000. Yet I've not noticed loss of folder customizations after upping the count to 8000. That's probably this value only applies to customized folders and I haven't done that much that I can recall. |
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I keep getting large icons?
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813711
| | I upped mine to 8000. Note that I've seen this data item's name | referenced as "BagMRU Size" and "Bag MRU Size". I've added both since | whichever is the wrong one won't have an effect. There are several issues going on there. One is the option to increase the cache limit for remembering folder settings. If you really open 8,000 folders then there's no reason not to set the cache that big, but just picking a gigantic number won't provide any improvement. The various "bags" keys are where the settings are stored. Usually the display type (details, list, etc.) will hold if you've set it and if the folder is of type "Documents". The setting doesn't apply to other folder types. (The various specialty folders that MS cooked up for folders that contain mostly images, for instance.) The actions Microsoft suggests work because it involves deleting the entire record of folder settings. The cache then starts fresh. That might work for J. P. Gilliver if the problem was that he went over the cache limit. (It won't change the specialty folder behavior that designates some folders to show thumbnails.) Aside from that there are entirely different issues. The settings to choose the folder view for all folders only specify the display type. (details, list, etc.) And they don't always work unless the cache is first deleted. Not just because of cache limits but also because the whole system is not designed properly. The bags settings are actually designed to store window sizes, display type, folder style, etc. Explorer writes those settings at every folder close and checks those settings at every folder open. But Explorer doesn't save the settings correctly in the first place, so it doesn't read them back properly! The point of the utility I wrote is to fix all current settings and add settings to apply to future folders. It records folder window size settings, display type, and provides the option to override all special folder types. (Never show thumbnails unless they're selected in a given folder window.) By recording all of the necessary settings properly it causes Explorer to actually use those settings when a folder window is opened. If you don't care about folder size or imposed thumbnail view then Microsoft's advice should work to fix wrong style display. (Though after you delete the cache settings, when you open the first folder, you should set the style and then go to Tools - Folder Options - View - Apply to All Folders) If you want more control then you have to do something like what my utility does. You have to fix the settings. My utility fixes all existing settings for thoroughness, then sets the standard settings values for future folders. But if you wanted to do it yourself by hand it might also work to first delete all of the bags subkeys and then create this key: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell NoRoam\Bags\AllFolders\Shell\ Then save your preferences in that key. But note that you have to save them just so. The system is somewhat nonsensical. If certain specific values are not added it may not work, it may require two clicks to open a folder, or you may see other odd behavior. (If you have any familiarity with VBScript and/or with these settings, you can find a fuller explanation of all this in the comments inside the FolFix.vbs file in the utility download. But be prepared for tedium. This is just one of many cases where the Microsofties seem to have assigned the task to a new intern and told him that he would be paid in direct proportion to the level of complexity and abstruseness that he could produce. This particular intern was quite bright. |
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I keep getting large icons?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:25:35 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote: | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813711 | | I upped mine to 8000. Note that I've seen this data item's name | referenced as "BagMRU Size" and "Bag MRU Size". I've added both since | whichever is the wrong one won't have an effect. There are several issues going on there. One is the option to increase the cache limit for remembering folder settings. If you really open 8,000 folders then there's no reason not to set the cache that big, but just picking a gigantic number won't provide any improvement. snip Your posts are all missing an attribution line. Who are you replying to? |
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I keep getting large icons?
| Your posts are all missing an attribution line. Who are you replying
| to? If you read posts in a real newsreader instead of reading via webpages then you'll be able to see the thread and posting order. |
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