Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended

philo wrote:

Before the service packs , Vista was essentially unusable.

Never had a problem with Vista, it worked perfectly from the first RTM
until I replaced it.

Of course I RTFM, that might have something to do with it?

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On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 17:11:55 -0700, XS11E
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philo wrote:

Before the service packs , Vista was essentially unusable.

Never had a problem with Vista, it worked perfectly from the first RTM
until I replaced it.



You're not the only one who said something similar here, and I'm glad
to see that I'm not the only one.

On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 18:19:05 -0500, philo wrote:


I have Vista Ultimate and it works very well.




yes, I found Vista to be very good once the service packs came out...it
was simply released too soon

Plus, the hardware was not sufficient, or too expensive, to run Aero at
the time. I heard Paul Thurrotte say Wed. on "Windows Weekly" that
Windows 7 was really Vista, SP3!

On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 15:21:55 -0000 (UTC), sctvguy1
wrote:

I heard Paul Thurrotte say Wed. on "Windows Weekly" that
Windows 7 was really Vista, SP3!


Yes, but something very similar is true of almost all versions of
Windows. Microsoft's marketing department gets to choose what
something is called, and they choose a name that they think will sell
more copies. For example, Windows 10 could have been called 8.2

Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 17:11:55 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

philo wrote:

Before the service packs , Vista was essentially unusable.

Never had a problem with Vista, it worked perfectly from the first
RTM until I replaced it.

You're not the only one who said something similar here, and I'm
glad to see that I'm not the only one.

The biggest problem with Vista was MSFT said it required 1/2 the ROM it
actually needed to run at a reasonable speed, HP, Dell, etc. all
delivered systems with insufficient ROM based on MSFTs specs.

The second problem was that some peripherals wouldn't work, I had to
replace my scanner others had to replace printers, etc. to use Vista
and that irked folks.

Personally, I liked it, it was the last OS that allowed classic menus,
etc. w/o needing Classic Shell to make it usable for me.

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On 04/13/2017 06:55 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/12/2017 10:56 PM, T wrote:
On 04/12/2017 08:43 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 14:27:11 -0500, philo wrote:


I gave Vista a try shortly after it was released and it was horrible
beyond belief...it took 15 minutes or more just to delete something.


A few years later I tried it and after the updates it seemed to work
quite well but it's reputation was ruined by releasing it too soon.


Many other people said much the same thing. But my experience with it
was fine. I ran it from RTM to Windows 7 release, and never had any
problems with it.

I take it you didn't watch what Windows Update
was doing very often :-) Vista is one ugly porker
to get updating. The secret was a hint from the
wsusoffline forums (a list of KBs to install manually).
Microsoft never made any attempt to put the Vista WU
upright.

I've only tested Vista SP2, which was pleasant enough,
with the exception of the *days* I spent researching
WU fixes.

Paul

You are now an "Official M$ Alpha Tester". (I won't
soil a "beta's" reputation by calling an "alpha"
a "beta".)

Tears




Before the service packs , Vista was essentially unusable.

When I tried to delete a file it sat there for over 15 minutes
calculating free space. I could not imagine why free space would need to
be calculated for a deletion, much less why it would take 15 minutes.

Actually I don't know how long it would have taken, 15 minutes was when
I shut the machine down

1+

Vista SP0 took the wind out of me

On 04/14/2017 09:09 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 15:21:55 -0000 (UTC), sctvguy1
wrote:

I heard Paul Thurrotte say Wed. on "Windows Weekly" that
Windows 7 was really Vista, SP3!


Yes, but something very similar is true of almost all versions of
Windows. Microsoft's marketing department gets to choose what
something is called, and they choose a name that they think will sell
more copies. For example, Windows 10 could have been called 8.2



I still call Windows 10, Windows Nein. Some times "Son-of-Frankenstein"
Nein really is a nice clean up of 8. But it is still 8.

On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:33:35 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 17:11:55 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

philo wrote:

Before the service packs , Vista was essentially unusable.

Never had a problem with Vista, it worked perfectly from the first
RTM until I replaced it.

You're not the only one who said something similar here, and I'm
glad to see that I'm not the only one.

The biggest problem with Vista was MSFT said it required 1/2 the ROM it
actually needed to run at a reasonable speed,


Yes, but that wasn't a particular program with Vista. Microsoft did
the same thing with almost all versions of Windows.

They were basically right: the requirement to run it, and how much RAM
you need to run it at a reasonable speed *are* two different things.
As far as I'm concerned, what they did wrong was not supplying *both*
figures


HP, Dell, etc. all
delivered systems with insufficient ROM based on MSFTs specs.

The second problem was that some peripherals wouldn't work, I had to
replace my scanner others had to replace printers, etc. to use Vista
and that irked folks.


Yes, but that wasn't a Vista problem; that was a problem with the
manufacturers not providing Vista drivers.


Personally, I liked it,


I did too.


it was the last OS that allowed classic menus,
etc. w/o needing Classic Shell to make it usable for me.


?? You thought Windows 7 required Classic Shell. I never did. I never
used Classic Shell until Windows 8, and I quickly replaced it with
Start 8, which I liked (and still like) even better.

Ken Blake wrote:

it was the last OS that allowed classic menus, etc. w/o needing
Classic Shell to make it usable for me.

?? You thought Windows 7 required Classic Shell.

Absolutely! My OS rule is that any OS I run will look and act EXACTLY
like Windows 2000 which was the last version of Windows I actually
liked! I've even got my Windows 2000 desktop wallpaper! G

If they made it 64 bit and added USB support I'd still be running it...

Don't like new-fangled stuff, if it was good enough for the cavemen
it's good enough for me... except modern dentistry, I'll accept that...
and flush toilets, those are OK... G

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In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:33:35 -0700, XS11E
wrote:
[]
The second problem was that some peripherals wouldn't work, I had to
replace my scanner others had to replace printers, etc. to use Vista
and that irked folks.


Yes, but that wasn't a Vista problem; that was a problem with the
manufacturers not providing Vista drivers.

That's a chicken-and-egg situation/argument (-:.

It is also related to the problem concerning drivers that every new
version of Windows (and other OSs) brings up: why drivers are _needed_
for each separate device, at least for printers and scanners. There
should be a default printer or scanner driver that all printers or
scanners work with, with manufacturers releasing extra - you could call
them "drivers" if you wished - that allowed any special features that a
model might have to be accessed. But there's no incentive to create such
a situation, and plenty of reasons not to (mainly the need to keep
selling hardware).

Personally, I liked it,

I didn't, but probably didn't give it a fair chance.

I did too.


it was the last OS that allowed classic menus,
etc. w/o needing Classic Shell to make it usable for me.


?? You thought Windows 7 required Classic Shell. I never did. I never
used Classic Shell until Windows 8, and I quickly replaced it with
Start 8, which I liked (and still like) even better.

Agreed, I didn't see the need under 7, and did under 8 (for anyone who'd
used earlier Windows, anyway - probably not for anyone who hadn't).
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.... of the two little boxes in the corner of your room, the one without the
pictures is the one that opens the mind. - Stuart Maconie in Radio Times,
2008/10/11-17

In message , XS11E
writes:
Ken Blake wrote:

it was the last OS that allowed classic menus, etc. w/o needing
Classic Shell to make it usable for me.

?? You thought Windows 7 required Classic Shell.

Absolutely! My OS rule is that any OS I run will look and act EXACTLY
like Windows 2000 which was the last version of Windows I actually
liked! I've even got my Windows 2000 desktop wallpaper! G

(I still have a soft spot for '98SElite.)

If they made it 64 bit and added USB support I'd still be running it...

Don't like new-fangled stuff, if it was good enough for the cavemen
it's good enough for me... except modern dentistry, I'll accept that...
and flush toilets, those are OK... G

What did the Romans ever do for us ...
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.... of the two little boxes in the corner of your room, the one without the
pictures is the one that opens the mind. - Stuart Maconie in Radio Times,
2008/10/11-17

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

What did the Romans ever do for us ...

One of 'em taught me that "All Gaul is divided into 3 parts" ("Gallia
est omnis divisa in partes tres",)

You'd probably be surprised at how seldom that comes up in conversation
and how poorly it works as a pickup line although it worked well for
Julius...

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On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:35:07 -0700, XS11E
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

What did the Romans ever do for us ...

One of 'em taught me that "All Gaul is divided into 3 parts" ("Gallia
est omnis divisa in partes tres",)

You'd probably be surprised at how seldom that comes up in conversation
and how poorly it works as a pickup line although it worked well for
Julius...



I studied Latin in High School. It was 1953, 64 years ago, that I
learned the lines "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres" and "Que
usque tandem Catalina patientia nostra," but I still remember them.

Unfortunately I remember very little else of Latin. g

On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 01:07:12 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:33:35 -0700, XS11E
wrote:
[]
The second problem was that some peripherals wouldn't work, I had to
replace my scanner others had to replace printers, etc. to use Vista
and that irked folks.


Yes, but that wasn't a Vista problem; that was a problem with the
manufacturers not providing Vista drivers.

That's a chicken-and-egg situation/argument (-:.

It is also related to the problem concerning drivers that every new
version of Windows (and other OSs) brings up: why drivers are _needed_
for each separate device, at least for printers and scanners. There
should be a default printer or scanner driver that all printers or
scanners work with, with manufacturers releasing extra - you could call
them "drivers" if you wished - that allowed any special features that a
model might have to be accessed. But there's no incentive to create such
a situation, and plenty of reasons not to (mainly the need to keep
selling hardware).


A strong ditto for everything in that paragraph!

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:35:07 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

What did the Romans ever do for us ...

(That was a line from one of the Monty Python films.)

One of 'em taught me that "All Gaul is divided into 3 parts" ("Gallia
est omnis divisa in partes tres",)

(The "omnis" seems in an odd position there - at least if the
translation is correct.)

You'd probably be surprised at how seldom that comes up in conversation
and how poorly it works as a pickup line although it worked well for
Julius...

Ah, Julius - I always think of that line "Infamy, infamy ..."


I studied Latin in High School. It was 1953, 64 years ago, that I
learned the lines "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres" and "Que
usque tandem Catalina patientia nostra," but I still remember them.

Unfortunately I remember very little else of Latin. g

I've never found any real _practical_ use for it, but I'm glad I did it
(1970s). Well, it helps somewhat in understanding several other
languages, though in my line of work (electronics) that's rarely been of
_much_ practical relevance. But odd bits are fun - such as

age, fac ut gaudeam
(literally: proceed, do [something] that I might rejoice. More freely:
Go ahead, ...)
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Science fiction is escape into reality - Arthur C Clarke