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  #31  
Old April 20th 17, 04:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 23:26:35 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
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In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:35:07 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

What did the Romans ever do for us ...


(That was a line from one of the Monty Python films.)

One of 'em taught me that "All Gaul is divided into 3 parts" ("Gallia
est omnis divisa in partes tres",)


(The "omnis" seems in an odd position there - at least if the
translation is correct.)



The translation is correct and the position is correct. One of the
hardest things for me about Latin was that almost all the words were
in odd positions. g


You'd probably be surprised at how seldom that comes up in conversation
and how poorly it works as a pickup line although it worked well for
Julius...


Ah, Julius - I always think of that line "Infamy, infamy ..."


I studied Latin in High School. It was 1953, 64 years ago, that I
learned the lines "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres" and "Que
usque tandem Catalina patientia nostra," but I still remember them.



Note the typo: that should be Quo usque..." of course.


Unfortunately I remember very little else of Latin. g

I've never found any real _practical_ use for it, but I'm glad I did it
(1970s).



I'm glad I did too. Not only did it help me in learning the small
amounts I know of other languages (Italian, French, Spanish, and
German), but still today, my English grammar is very good (but not
perfect, I hasten to add, before you or someone else points out errors
I've made g), largely because of the Latin grammar I learned umpteen
years ago.
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  #32  
Old April 20th 17, 08:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:14:59 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2017-04-20 11:25, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 23:26:35 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:35:07 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:

What did the Romans ever do for us ...

(That was a line from one of the Monty Python films.)

One of 'em taught me that "All Gaul is divided into 3 parts" ("Gallia
est omnis divisa in partes tres",)

(The "omnis" seems in an odd position there - at least if the
translation is correct.)



The translation is correct and the position is correct. One of the
hardest things for me about Latin was that almost all the words were
in odd positions. g


Latin has synthetic grammar: the words carry the markers that define
their syntactic functions (roles). English has analytic grammar: the
position of the word is its syntactic function.



Yes, thanks; I knew that, but I didn't know the terms "synthetic
grammar" and "analytic grammar." I always thought of it as the
difference between morphology and syntax.



English grammar is _not_ Latin,



Right, but much of Latin and English grammar are the same.
  #33  
Old June 15th 17, 08:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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T news 2017 20:50:16 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On 04/12/2017 12:27 PM, philo wrote:


[snip]

I gave Vista a try shortly after it was released and it was
horrible beyond belief...it took 15 minutes or more just to
delete something.


A few years later I tried it and after the updates it seemed to
work quite well but it's reputation was ruined by releasing it
too soon.


After Service Pack 2, it settled down. Getting to SP2 was
a gargantuan task. I still see some folks with Vista.
And it is still a pain-in-the-ass to deal with, but not
so bad since SP2. Windows Nein, oops, Ten is a bigger
pain in the ass


Ten is horrid. Cartoony looking too.




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  #34  
Old June 17th 17, 12:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ken Blake
Thu, 13 Apr 2017
17:03:57 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:55:32 -0500, philo
wrote:


Before the service packs , Vista was essentially unusable.



To *you*. But as I said, not to me. And not to many others I know.


As a tech in the trenches, I can't agree with your statement. I
didn't encounter many individuals or small businesses who were
pleased with vista prior to the service packs. And even then, the
happiness factor didn't increase by a wide margin. Vista was in the
market place for a short period of time for a reason. It was junk.
Rushed to market far too soon with too many bugs.


When I tried to delete a file it sat there for over 15 minutes
calculating free space. I could not imagine why free space would
need to


be calculated for a deletion, much less why it would take 15
minutes.



I never had such a problem.


The thing with PCs is that they aren't all the same. Various hardware
and software differences can cause issues with poorly written OSes.

So what works for you, specifically, may not work so well for other
system configurations, if, at all.

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The German doctor said, "That's nothing, in Germany we take part of a
brain, put it in another man and in 4 weeks he is looking for work."
The Russian doctor said, "Gentlemen, we take half a heart from a man,
put it in another man's chest and in 2 weeks he is looking for work."
The Scottish doctor just laughed and commented, "You are all way
behind us. Thirteen months ago, we took a woman with no brains, no
heart, and no balls and made her first minister of Scotland. Now,
the whole of Scotland is looking for work!!"
  #35  
Old June 17th 17, 12:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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XS11E
Fri, 14 Apr 2017
19:33:35 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 17:11:55 -0700, XS11E
wrote:

philo wrote:

Before the service packs , Vista was essentially unusable.

Never had a problem with Vista, it worked perfectly from the
first RTM until I replaced it.


You're not the only one who said something similar here, and I'm
glad to see that I'm not the only one.


The biggest problem with Vista was MSFT said it required 1/2 the
ROM it actually needed to run at a reasonable speed, HP, Dell,
etc. all delivered systems with insufficient ROM based on MSFTs
specs.

The second problem was that some peripherals wouldn't work, I had
to replace my scanner others had to replace printers, etc. to use
Vista and that irked folks.


Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that
thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no longer
worked at all, or worked marginally from that point forward. All due
to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for the hardware
components that MS was surely aware many still used. There was no
reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware components. MS
took the lazy way out on this.

Personally, I liked it, it was the last OS that allowed classic
menus, etc. w/o needing Classic Shell to make it usable for me.


Did you ever run it in a networked environment? It was a dog there.
And, I don't mean a loyal one.




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  #36  
Old June 17th 17, 03:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:34:48 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Ken Blake
Thu, 13 Apr 2017
17:03:57 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:55:32 -0500, philo
wrote:


Before the service packs , Vista was essentially unusable.



To *you*. But as I said, not to me. And not to many others I know.


As a tech in the trenches, I can't agree with your statement.



That's fine. We all have different experiences and different opinions.


I
didn't encounter many individuals or small businesses who were
pleased with vista prior to the service packs.



I did.


And even then, the
happiness factor didn't increase by a wide margin. Vista was in the
market place for a short period of time for a reason. It was junk.
Rushed to market far too soon with too many bugs.



As I said, I don't agree.


The thing with PCs is that they aren't all the same. Various hardware
and software differences can cause issues with poorly written OSes.

So what works for you, specifically, may not work so well for other
system configurations, if, at all.




Absolutely right! I completely agree with you there.
  #37  
Old June 17th 17, 07:44 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Diesel wrote:

XS11E
Fri, 14 Apr 2017
19:33:35 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:


The second problem was that some peripherals wouldn't work, I had
to replace my scanner others had to replace printers, etc. to use
Vista and that irked folks.


Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that
thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no
longer worked at all, or worked marginally from that point
forward. All due to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for
the hardware components that MS was surely aware many still used.
There was no reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware
components. MS took the lazy way out on this.


Totally wrong, of course, MSFT doesn't supply drivers, they make
available drivers supplied by the manufacturers. If your printer or
scanner or ?? doesn't work in a new OS it's because Epson or HP or
whoever has decided to sell you a new one rather than update their
drivers for the old device.

Absolutely nothing to do with MS.

Personally, I liked it, it was the last OS that allowed classic
menus, etc. w/o needing Classic Shell to make it usable for me.


Did you ever run it in a networked environment? It was a dog
there. And, I don't mean a loyal one.


Yes, it failed miserably for people who didn't RTFM.

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  #38  
Old June 17th 17, 08:59 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:34:49 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
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Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that
thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no longer
worked at all, or worked marginally from that point forward. All due
to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for the hardware
components that MS was surely aware many still used. There was no
reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware components. MS
took the lazy way out on this.



Sorry, but that is not at all true. Don't blame Microsoft for this.

Drivers are supplied by the hardware manufacturers, not by Microsoft.
If a driver for an older piece of hardware isn't available for a new
version of Windows, it's because the hardware manufacturer doesn't
want you to continue using older hardware; he wants you buy new
models.

  #39  
Old June 18th 17, 01:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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XS11E news:XnsA797777756702xs11eyahoocom@
127.0.0.1 Sat, 17 Jun 2017 18:44:38 GMT in alt.windows7.general,
wrote:

Diesel wrote:

XS11E
Fri, 14 Apr 2017
19:33:35 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:


The second problem was that some peripherals wouldn't work, I had
to replace my scanner others had to replace printers, etc. to use
Vista and that irked folks.


Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that
thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no
longer worked at all, or worked marginally from that point
forward. All due to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for
the hardware components that MS was surely aware many still used.
There was no reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware
components. MS took the lazy way out on this.


Totally wrong, of course, MSFT doesn't supply drivers, they make
available drivers supplied by the manufacturers.


Erm, not exactly. MS does supply some drivers, actually. And, had
they not altered the way in which vista chose to use already existing
drivers, and/or added code to support XP legacy drivers, those
hardware devices for the most part, would have worked properly. MS
altered the code base enough to fuxor older NT based drivers. Vista
and XP are both NT kernel. One is slightly 'newer'

If your printer or scanner or ?? doesn't work in a new OS it's
because Epson or HP or whoever has decided to sell you a new one
rather than update their drivers for the old device.
Absolutely nothing to do with MS.


See above.

Personally, I liked it, it was the last OS that allowed classic
menus, etc. w/o needing Classic Shell to make it usable for me.


Did you ever run it in a networked environment? It was a dog
there. And, I don't mean a loyal one.


Yes, it failed miserably for people who didn't RTFM.


ROFL. Some of us did read the manual, though...




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  #40  
Old June 18th 17, 01:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ken Blake
Sat, 17 Jun 2017
19:59:11 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:34:49 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that
thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no
longer worked at all, or worked marginally from that point
forward. All due to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for
the hardware components that MS was surely aware many still used.
There was no reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware
components. MS took the lazy way out on this.



Sorry, but that is not at all true. Don't blame Microsoft for
this.


I'm unfairly placing all of the blame on MS, true enough. The
hardware vendors have an equal share, but, ONLY because MS altered
the code base enough to make the XP drivers no longer compatible.
Vista and XP aren't completely seperate beasts under the hood. They
share *alot* of common code, actually. MS *could have* continued
supporting the older drivers, had they wanted to do so.


Drivers are supplied by the hardware manufacturers, not by
Microsoft.


*Some* (most) drivers are manufacturer supplied, yes. However, MS
does infact do their own too.

If a driver for an older piece of hardware isn't available for a
new version of Windows, it's because the hardware manufacturer
doesn't want you to continue using older hardware; he wants you
buy new models.


I don't disagree, but, were not talking about a complete from the
ground up code rewrite here, either. Vista and XP share a ****load
of common code under the hood. Despite the differences in
appearance. Granted, Vista *does* have code that is *not* present in
any flavor of XP, but, I digress. MS *could have* supported that
older hardware by allowing vista to use the previous OS drivers. They
chose not to do so.



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  #41  
Old June 19th 17, 11:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:34:49 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that
thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no longer
worked at all, or worked marginally from that point forward. All due
to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for the hardware
components that MS was surely aware many still used. There was no
reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware components. MS
took the lazy way out on this.



Sorry, but that is not at all true. Don't blame Microsoft for this.

Drivers are supplied by the hardware manufacturers, not by Microsoft.
If a driver for an older piece of hardware isn't available for a new
version of Windows, it's because the hardware manufacturer doesn't
want you to continue using older hardware; he wants you buy new
models.

The majority of hardware so involved is/are printers and scanners.

There should be a standard interface which all such devices work with,
so that each new OS (or whatever) just has to be able to drive the
standard interface. (Special features additional to each model, fair
enough could be only supported by the then-current OS, if the
manufacturer wishes.)

[TWAIN you'd have thought would be the answer (for scanners at least),
but no, that's OS-specific too.]

It'll never happen, though, for the reason you have given.
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