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Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 23:26:35 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Ken Blake writes: On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:35:07 -0700, XS11E wrote: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: What did the Romans ever do for us ... (That was a line from one of the Monty Python films.) One of 'em taught me that "All Gaul is divided into 3 parts" ("Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres",) (The "omnis" seems in an odd position there - at least if the translation is correct.) The translation is correct and the position is correct. One of the hardest things for me about Latin was that almost all the words were in odd positions. g You'd probably be surprised at how seldom that comes up in conversation and how poorly it works as a pickup line although it worked well for Julius... Ah, Julius - I always think of that line "Infamy, infamy ..." I studied Latin in High School. It was 1953, 64 years ago, that I learned the lines "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres" and "Que usque tandem Catalina patientia nostra," but I still remember them. Note the typo: that should be Quo usque..." of course. Unfortunately I remember very little else of Latin. g I've never found any real _practical_ use for it, but I'm glad I did it (1970s). I'm glad I did too. Not only did it help me in learning the small amounts I know of other languages (Italian, French, Spanish, and German), but still today, my English grammar is very good (but not perfect, I hasten to add, before you or someone else points out errors I've made g), largely because of the Latin grammar I learned umpteen years ago. |
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Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:14:59 -0400, Wolf K
wrote: On 2017-04-20 11:25, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 23:26:35 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Ken Blake writes: On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:35:07 -0700, XS11E wrote: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: What did the Romans ever do for us ... (That was a line from one of the Monty Python films.) One of 'em taught me that "All Gaul is divided into 3 parts" ("Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres",) (The "omnis" seems in an odd position there - at least if the translation is correct.) The translation is correct and the position is correct. One of the hardest things for me about Latin was that almost all the words were in odd positions. g Latin has synthetic grammar: the words carry the markers that define their syntactic functions (roles). English has analytic grammar: the position of the word is its syntactic function. Yes, thanks; I knew that, but I didn't know the terms "synthetic grammar" and "analytic grammar." I always thought of it as the difference between morphology and syntax. English grammar is _not_ Latin, Right, but much of Latin and English grammar are the same. |
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Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended
T news
2017 20:50:16 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:
On 04/12/2017 12:27 PM, philo wrote: [snip] I gave Vista a try shortly after it was released and it was horrible beyond belief...it took 15 minutes or more just to delete something. A few years later I tried it and after the updates it seemed to work quite well but it's reputation was ruined by releasing it too soon. After Service Pack 2, it settled down. Getting to SP2 was a gargantuan task. I still see some folks with Vista. And it is still a pain-in-the-ass to deal with, but not so bad since SP2. Windows Nein, oops, Ten is a bigger pain in the ass Ten is horrid. Cartoony looking too. -- Don't hate yourself in the morning - sleep till noon. |
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Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended
Ken Blake
Thu, 13 Apr 2017 17:03:57 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote: On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:55:32 -0500, philo wrote: Before the service packs , Vista was essentially unusable. To *you*. But as I said, not to me. And not to many others I know. As a tech in the trenches, I can't agree with your statement. I didn't encounter many individuals or small businesses who were pleased with vista prior to the service packs. And even then, the happiness factor didn't increase by a wide margin. Vista was in the market place for a short period of time for a reason. It was junk. Rushed to market far too soon with too many bugs. When I tried to delete a file it sat there for over 15 minutes calculating free space. I could not imagine why free space would need to be calculated for a deletion, much less why it would take 15 minutes. I never had such a problem. The thing with PCs is that they aren't all the same. Various hardware and software differences can cause issues with poorly written OSes. So what works for you, specifically, may not work so well for other system configurations, if, at all. -- https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php An Israeli doctor said, "In Israel, medicine is so advanced that we cut off a man's testicles, put them on another man, and in 6 weeks, he is looking for work. The German doctor said, "That's nothing, in Germany we take part of a brain, put it in another man and in 4 weeks he is looking for work." The Russian doctor said, "Gentlemen, we take half a heart from a man, put it in another man's chest and in 2 weeks he is looking for work." The Scottish doctor just laughed and commented, "You are all way behind us. Thirteen months ago, we took a woman with no brains, no heart, and no balls and made her first minister of Scotland. Now, the whole of Scotland is looking for work!!" |
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Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended
XS11E
Fri, 14 Apr 2017 19:33:35 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote: Ken Blake wrote: On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 17:11:55 -0700, XS11E wrote: philo wrote: Before the service packs , Vista was essentially unusable. Never had a problem with Vista, it worked perfectly from the first RTM until I replaced it. You're not the only one who said something similar here, and I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one. The biggest problem with Vista was MSFT said it required 1/2 the ROM it actually needed to run at a reasonable speed, HP, Dell, etc. all delivered systems with insufficient ROM based on MSFTs specs. The second problem was that some peripherals wouldn't work, I had to replace my scanner others had to replace printers, etc. to use Vista and that irked folks. Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no longer worked at all, or worked marginally from that point forward. All due to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for the hardware components that MS was surely aware many still used. There was no reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware components. MS took the lazy way out on this. Personally, I liked it, it was the last OS that allowed classic menus, etc. w/o needing Classic Shell to make it usable for me. Did you ever run it in a networked environment? It was a dog there. And, I don't mean a loyal one. -- https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php If you are what you eat, I could be you by morning. |
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Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:34:48 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote: Ken Blake Thu, 13 Apr 2017 17:03:57 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote: On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:55:32 -0500, philo wrote: Before the service packs , Vista was essentially unusable. To *you*. But as I said, not to me. And not to many others I know. As a tech in the trenches, I can't agree with your statement. That's fine. We all have different experiences and different opinions. I didn't encounter many individuals or small businesses who were pleased with vista prior to the service packs. I did. And even then, the happiness factor didn't increase by a wide margin. Vista was in the market place for a short period of time for a reason. It was junk. Rushed to market far too soon with too many bugs. As I said, I don't agree. The thing with PCs is that they aren't all the same. Various hardware and software differences can cause issues with poorly written OSes. So what works for you, specifically, may not work so well for other system configurations, if, at all. Absolutely right! I completely agree with you there. |
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Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended
Diesel wrote:
XS11E Fri, 14 Apr 2017 19:33:35 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote: The second problem was that some peripherals wouldn't work, I had to replace my scanner others had to replace printers, etc. to use Vista and that irked folks. Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no longer worked at all, or worked marginally from that point forward. All due to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for the hardware components that MS was surely aware many still used. There was no reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware components. MS took the lazy way out on this. Totally wrong, of course, MSFT doesn't supply drivers, they make available drivers supplied by the manufacturers. If your printer or scanner or ?? doesn't work in a new OS it's because Epson or HP or whoever has decided to sell you a new one rather than update their drivers for the old device. Absolutely nothing to do with MS. Personally, I liked it, it was the last OS that allowed classic menus, etc. w/o needing Classic Shell to make it usable for me. Did you ever run it in a networked environment? It was a dog there. And, I don't mean a loyal one. Yes, it failed miserably for people who didn't RTFM. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended
On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:34:49 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote: Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no longer worked at all, or worked marginally from that point forward. All due to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for the hardware components that MS was surely aware many still used. There was no reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware components. MS took the lazy way out on this. Sorry, but that is not at all true. Don't blame Microsoft for this. Drivers are supplied by the hardware manufacturers, not by Microsoft. If a driver for an older piece of hardware isn't available for a new version of Windows, it's because the hardware manufacturer doesn't want you to continue using older hardware; he wants you buy new models. |
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Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended
XS11E news:XnsA797777756702xs11eyahoocom@
127.0.0.1 Sat, 17 Jun 2017 18:44:38 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote: Diesel wrote: XS11E Fri, 14 Apr 2017 19:33:35 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote: The second problem was that some peripherals wouldn't work, I had to replace my scanner others had to replace printers, etc. to use Vista and that irked folks. Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no longer worked at all, or worked marginally from that point forward. All due to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for the hardware components that MS was surely aware many still used. There was no reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware components. MS took the lazy way out on this. Totally wrong, of course, MSFT doesn't supply drivers, they make available drivers supplied by the manufacturers. Erm, not exactly. MS does supply some drivers, actually. And, had they not altered the way in which vista chose to use already existing drivers, and/or added code to support XP legacy drivers, those hardware devices for the most part, would have worked properly. MS altered the code base enough to fuxor older NT based drivers. Vista and XP are both NT kernel. One is slightly 'newer' If your printer or scanner or ?? doesn't work in a new OS it's because Epson or HP or whoever has decided to sell you a new one rather than update their drivers for the old device. Absolutely nothing to do with MS. See above. Personally, I liked it, it was the last OS that allowed classic menus, etc. w/o needing Classic Shell to make it usable for me. Did you ever run it in a networked environment? It was a dog there. And, I don't mean a loyal one. Yes, it failed miserably for people who didn't RTFM. ROFL. Some of us did read the manual, though... -- https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php Thank you velly much. I'm not Wan King the chef, I'm Fu King the owner. |
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Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended
Ken Blake
Sat, 17 Jun 2017 19:59:11 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote: On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:34:49 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote: Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no longer worked at all, or worked marginally from that point forward. All due to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for the hardware components that MS was surely aware many still used. There was no reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware components. MS took the lazy way out on this. Sorry, but that is not at all true. Don't blame Microsoft for this. I'm unfairly placing all of the blame on MS, true enough. The hardware vendors have an equal share, but, ONLY because MS altered the code base enough to make the XP drivers no longer compatible. Vista and XP aren't completely seperate beasts under the hood. They share *alot* of common code, actually. MS *could have* continued supporting the older drivers, had they wanted to do so. Drivers are supplied by the hardware manufacturers, not by Microsoft. *Some* (most) drivers are manufacturer supplied, yes. However, MS does infact do their own too. If a driver for an older piece of hardware isn't available for a new version of Windows, it's because the hardware manufacturer doesn't want you to continue using older hardware; he wants you buy new models. I don't disagree, but, were not talking about a complete from the ground up code rewrite here, either. Vista and XP share a ****load of common code under the hood. Despite the differences in appearance. Granted, Vista *does* have code that is *not* present in any flavor of XP, but, I digress. MS *could have* supported that older hardware by allowing vista to use the previous OS drivers. They chose not to do so. -- https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php Beating your wife is like keying your own car. |
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Windows Vista Support Has Officially Ended
In message , Ken Blake
writes: On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:34:49 -0000 (UTC), Diesel wrote: Why wouldn't it irk people. You had perfectly good hardware that thanks to a single software update (the os itself) either no longer worked at all, or worked marginally from that point forward. All due to MS lack of interest in providing drivers for the hardware components that MS was surely aware many still used. There was no reason vista couldn't have supported those hardware components. MS took the lazy way out on this. Sorry, but that is not at all true. Don't blame Microsoft for this. Drivers are supplied by the hardware manufacturers, not by Microsoft. If a driver for an older piece of hardware isn't available for a new version of Windows, it's because the hardware manufacturer doesn't want you to continue using older hardware; he wants you buy new models. The majority of hardware so involved is/are printers and scanners. There should be a standard interface which all such devices work with, so that each new OS (or whatever) just has to be able to drive the standard interface. (Special features additional to each model, fair enough could be only supported by the then-current OS, if the manufacturer wishes.) [TWAIN you'd have thought would be the answer (for scanners at least), but no, that's OS-specific too.] It'll never happen, though, for the reason you have given. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf What's awful about weird views is not the views. It's the intolerance. If someone wants to worship the Duke of Edinburgh or a pineapple, fine. But don't kill me if I don't agree. - Tim Rice, Radio Times 15-21 October 2011. |
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