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Good Reasons to Avoid 10, Summary
Updating when it wants to and not when you want it to.
Adverts in your face. Incessant telemetry. Higher overhead on resources. |
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On 18/05/2017 21:31, SteveGG wrote:
Updating when it wants to and not when you want it to. Adverts in your face. Incessant telemetry. Higher overhead on resources. **** OFF **** OFF **** OFF **** OFF **** OFF **** OFF **** OFF **** OFF **** OFF **** OFF **** OFF **** OFF -- With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Good Reasons to Avoid 10, Summary
Per SteveGG:
Adverts in your face. Can somebody expound on that? Sales guy at Micro Center almost had me convinced that there was nothing to worry about if I bought a 10 machine.... *almost*.... -- Pete Cresswell |
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Good Reasons to Avoid 10, Summary
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per SteveGG: Adverts in your face. Can somebody expound on that? Sales guy at Micro Center almost had me convinced that there was nothing to worry about if I bought a 10 machine.... *almost*.... The more you do with the OS, the more advertising you are likely to see. Promoted games can be put in your Tiles. You can remove those. An example might be Candy Crush. In the Notification thing, I get quite a few "Get Office 365" or similar. I now just ignore the notification side-bar at startup. If I hear "Ding", I don't look :-) Pavlovs Anti-Dog. For the rest of the mechanisms, like a promotion to increase the size of Onedrive (rental) or something, I don't use OneDrive (never touched it) or DropBox, so there are no "triggers" for me to receive targeted advertising. I haven't been annoyed to the point of deleting the Win10 OS from its hard drive. Win10 Release has its own 500GB drive. And Win10 Insider is a dual boot install on a separate 500GB drive. Getting Win10 Insider OS upgrades to install, is a hair-pulling exercise. What was neat, the last one I did, is if you keep hitting the "Retry" button, the outcome actually changes from one attempt to the next, until it works! I thought that was pretty neat. It should have been the definition of insanity, and somehow the install procedure is adapting, between tries. Since my Win10 is a dual boot, upgrading the first OS, I tried "the usual methods" to coax it along. Once I realized what was going on with Retry, when I updated the second OS, I just kept hammering the button after each failure. Maybe some day, this feature will show up in the September 2017 Release stream upgrade. Paul |
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Good Reasons to Avoid 10, Summary
"(PeteCresswell)" wrote | Sales guy at Micro Center almost had me convinced that there was nothing | to worry about if I bought a 10 machine.... *almost*.... Just as there's almost no issue with product activation. Easy as pie. Until you run into your present situation and come face to face with the fact that you paid for a Windows license and it's actually a crippled, partial license. You can almost completely stop all the spying. The automatic updates may be almost effortless. There are almost no ads, anyway..... I see many people say such things. Windows 10 is not so bad... But just as with product activation, you grant them power by accepting the terms and then they're in charge. That makes it a moving target. Mostly ads for games now? OK. Setting aside the fact that implies they're spying on your what you do with your computer, what's to prevent popups for hemmorhoid cream and acid reflux drugs down the line? What's to stop the local drug store or supermarket sending you ads sourced in their partnership with Microsoft? |
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Good Reasons to Avoid 10, Summary
"Mayayana" on Thu, 18 May 2017 18:43:22
-0400 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: "(PeteCresswell)" wrote | Sales guy at Micro Center almost had me convinced that there was nothing | to worry about if I bought a 10 machine.... *almost*.... Just as there's almost no issue with product activation. Easy as pie. Until you run into your present situation and come face to face with the fact that you paid for a Windows license and it's actually a crippled, partial license. You can almost completely stop all the spying. The automatic updates may be almost effortless. There are almost no ads, anyway..... I see many people say such things. Windows 10 is not so bad... But just as with product activation, you grant them power by accepting the terms and then they're in charge. That makes it a moving target. Mostly ads for games now? OK. Setting aside the fact that implies they're spying on your what you do with your computer, what's to prevent popups for hemmorhoid cream and acid reflux drugs down the line? What's to stop the local drug store or supermarket sending you ads sourced in their partnership with Microsoft? Bingo. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On Thu, 18 May 2017 16:31:35 -0400, SteveGG
wrote: Updating when it wants to and not when you want it to. Adverts in your face. Incessant telemetry. Higher overhead on resources. This is not a summary, this is you just wanting to bitch. You keep posting the same thing and many people have told you they don't see ads. I have never seen an ad. Telemetry is controllable if you wanted to learn. I have not had any problems with high overhead on resources. Why don't you take the time to learn how to control the OS instead of these whiney repetitious posts? Nobody is forcing you to use Win10. You should move on to Linux, then you would have something to legitimately whine about. -- JT |
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On Thu, 18 May 2017 17:56:56 -0400, Paul wrote:
Getting Win10 Insider OS upgrades to install, is a hair-pulling exercise. What was neat, the last one I did, is if you keep hitting the "Retry" button, the outcome actually changes from one attempt to the next, until it works! I thought that was pretty neat. It should have been the definition of insanity, and somehow the install procedure is adapting, between tries. Since my Win10 is a dual boot, upgrading the first OS, I tried "the usual methods" to coax it along. Once I realized what was going on with Retry, when I updated the second OS, I just kept hammering the button after each failure. Maybe some day, this feature will show up in the September 2017 Release stream upgrade. What was Einstein's definition of stupidity? - something like 'repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome'. MS seems to have cracked it! -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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In message , Justin Tyme
writes: [] This is not a summary, this is you just wanting to bitch. You keep posting the same thing and many people have told you they don't see ads. I have never seen an ad. Telemetry is controllable if you wanted to learn. I have not had any problems with high overhead on resources. Why don't you take the time to learn how to control the OS instead of these whiney repetitious posts? Nobody is forcing you to use Win10. All true (well I'm not sure how controllable it all is in total, but I'm willing to believe that a _lot_ _can_ be controlled with effort), but with earlier versions you didn't _have_ to do all this "learning" to turn off such things. It's the _default_ settings that are irritating. (Not that as-delivered defaults being bad are anything new - for example, not showing filename extensions has been there since I think Windows 3, and - especially with it being such a common malware aspect - you'd have thought they'd have changed that one, but they haven't; however, the telemetry etc. were less _there_ in earlier versions.) You should move on to Linux, then you would have something to legitimately whine about. Or wine ... (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Diplomacy is the art of letting someone have your way. |
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On 19/5/2017 4:31 AM, SteveGG wrote:
Updating when it wants to and not when you want it to. Adverts in your face. Incessant telemetry. Higher overhead on resources. Just disable the Window$ Update service to disable automatic update. M$ would soon offer control over the update process after Creator Update. -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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"Justin Tyme" wrote
| Telemetry is controllable if you wanted to learn. | Why don't you take the time to learn how to control the OS instead of | these whiney repetitious posts? Nobody is forcing you to use Win10. What are the options? Paying through the nose for Apple kiddie-ware? Installing Linux and giving up most of the software one uses? This is not just theory. Win7 is still available, but for anyone buying a computer at the store for a reasonable price, and needing to use Windows software, Win10 is pretty much it. That's how Windows got so popular in the first place. Software. Your view is exactly the pooh-poohing attitude I described above. First, telemtry is not realistically controllable by most people. MS know that. All software companies know that anything they hide behind a button marked "Advanced" will never be seen by most people. Here's an example of Win10 callouts: https://packetfactory.wordpress.com/...-cheesuscrust/ Here's one of many articles about the difficulty of really stopping Win10: http://arstechnica.com/information-t...-to-microsoft/ From the EULA: "By accepting this agreement and using the software you agree that Microsoft may collect, use, and disclose the information as described in the Microsoft Privacy Statement" From the privacy terms (which can and do change!): "Microsoft collects data... recording how you interact with our products... We also obtain data from third parties... we purchase demographic data... [read: We have partners in spying on you. You should read the 3rd-party list. Interesting stuff.] There are disclaimers about how you don't have to provide all data, but also caveats about how many things won't work unless you do. Especially clever is that they've created an umbrella. The Windows agreement comes under the all-our-stuff agreement, which includes online services. So you don't have to allow them to collect data from Skype, hotmail, or any Windows software, as long as you don't mind that software not working. By mashing it all together they essentially redefine Windows itself as a service. On the one hand, it's not easy to track down *exactly* which spying can't be disabled. On the other hand, MS are not hiding a lot of it. This link is full of bragging about *exactly* how much time people have spent on various MS software. So if you use, say, Edge, they know exactly how many minutes you've used it!: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...llion-devices/ The point being that people can debate the fine points, but Win10 is defined as a service. You can't fully control it. you can't refuse updates that change it. Whatever freedom you might have to adjust various tracking functions, it's still their computer now. You gave it to them. You're sitting in a prison cell saying, "Wha?! They can't stop me from looking out the window, so why all the whining?" For anyone who wants to know the gory details, you can start with the privacy policy.... or at least today's version of it: https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/ |
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"PeterC" wrote
| What was Einstein's definition of stupidity? - something like 'repeating the | same action and expecting a different outcome'. | MS seems to have cracked it! Not arguing with your point, but I've never understood that saying. I wonder if Einstein really said it. It doesn't apply to hammering, for instance. I might bang a sledge on an old cast iron bathtub dozens of times. I fully expect that one of those times will result in a broken tub, even if the first 17 bangs didn't. Or turning a key in a tricky lock. Sometimes it takes a few tries. Or watering the lawn. The effect will be different on a dry day compared to after a recent rain. Or having sex after having cleared up a disagreement. Same action, much better outcome. There's no action that's not interconnected with numerous other factors, so we might actually more accurately say that stupidity is doing the same action and expecting the *same* outcome. Or more to the point, that stupidity is thinking it's possible to repeat an action at all. It's easy to think of good examples of that "stupidity". We all tend to try to repeat pleasures: Cancun was nice last year. Let's do that again. But this year it rained. Woops. That chocolate ice cream was so good. Let's get some more. But now I have a stomach ache. Woops. That sex was incredible the first two times. Let's do it again. But now we've just done it too many times and we both feel awkward. Woops. That beer... That joint... It's often tempting to think we can repeat pleasures, but then it turns out that it's actually not the same act and we've only "prostituted the present to the future", trying to get a cheap thrill at the expense of actually relating to what's happening. |
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On Fri, 19 May 2017 08:07:39 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Justin Tyme writes: [] This is not a summary, this is you just wanting to bitch. You keep posting the same thing and many people have told you they don't see ads. I have never seen an ad. Telemetry is controllable if you wanted to learn. I have not had any problems with high overhead on resources. Why don't you take the time to learn how to control the OS instead of these whiney repetitious posts? Nobody is forcing you to use Win10. All true (well I'm not sure how controllable it all is in total, but I'm willing to believe that a _lot_ _can_ be controlled with effort), but with earlier versions you didn't _have_ to do all this "learning" to turn off such things. There's not really a whole lot that as to be learnt. It's not that difficult to control. It's the _default_ settings that are irritating. Yes, I agree. (Not that as-delivered defaults being bad are anything new - for example, not showing filename extensions has been there since I think Windows 3, and - especially with it being such a common malware aspect - you'd have thought they'd have changed that one, but they haven't; however, the telemetry etc. were less _there_ in earlier versions.) You should move on to Linux, then you would have something to legitimately whine about. Or wine ... (-: Yes, a *much* better choice than whine. g |
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On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:17:18 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote: "Justin Tyme" wrote | Telemetry is controllable if you wanted to learn. | Why don't you take the time to learn how to control the OS instead of | these whiney repetitious posts? Nobody is forcing you to use Win10. What are the options? Paying through the nose for Apple kiddie-ware? Installing Linux and giving up most of the software one uses? This is not just theory. Win7 is still available, but for anyone buying a computer at the store for a reasonable price, and needing to use Windows software, Win10 is pretty much it. That's how Windows got so popular in the first place. Software. Your view is exactly the pooh-poohing attitude I described above. First, telemtry is not realistically controllable by most people. MS know that. All software companies know that anything they hide behind a button marked "Advanced" will never be seen by most people. Here's an example of Win10 callouts: https://packetfactory.wordpress.com/...-cheesuscrust/ Here's one of many articles about the difficulty of really stopping Win10: http://arstechnica.com/information-t...-to-microsoft/ From the EULA: "By accepting this agreement and using the software you agree that Microsoft may collect, use, and disclose the information as described in the Microsoft Privacy Statement" From the privacy terms (which can and do change!): "Microsoft collects data... recording how you interact with our products... We also obtain data from third parties... we purchase demographic data... [read: We have partners in spying on you. You should read the 3rd-party list. Interesting stuff.] There are disclaimers about how you don't have to provide all data, but also caveats about how many things won't work unless you do. Especially clever is that they've created an umbrella. The Windows agreement comes under the all-our-stuff agreement, which includes online services. So you don't have to allow them to collect data from Skype, hotmail, or any Windows software, as long as you don't mind that software not working. By mashing it all together they essentially redefine Windows itself as a service. On the one hand, it's not easy to track down *exactly* which spying can't be disabled. On the other hand, MS are not hiding a lot of it. This link is full of bragging about *exactly* how much time people have spent on various MS software. So if you use, say, Edge, they know exactly how many minutes you've used it!: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...llion-devices/ The point being that people can debate the fine points, but Win10 is defined as a service. You can't fully control it. you can't refuse updates that change it. Whatever freedom you might have to adjust various tracking functions, it's still their computer now. You gave it to them. You're sitting in a prison cell saying, "Wha?! They can't stop me from looking out the window, so why all the whining?" For anyone who wants to know the gory details, you can start with the privacy policy.... or at least today's version of it: https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/ No argument with your post. The points you make are valid. I have used Windows since 3.1 came out and each version of Windows has had issues and complaints, we have no choice but adapt or move on. The strategy of hanging on to an old OS only works for a time, eventually most of us have to move on to new systems at some point. Privacy is not easily achievable with most of the devices we use today be it computers or cell phones. Microsoft is not alone, Android (Google), Apple etc. are all the same or even worse. This is the world we live in. There are some steps we can take. I have Win10 pretty much locked down but I am sure there are many things that MS does that users are not aware of. MS is in control and I am not that naive to think that I can shut them out completely but I try. I was feeling a bit cranky yesterday and I took issue with Steve. His post was trolling. He posted the same thing yesterday as he has before. He did not want to get advice or to give it. He just wanted to bitch. I get a little sick of reading bitch posts from W10Hater and Steve. If they have something constructive to say fine, but they do not. I am all for a good discussion but Steve just made a statement and that was it. His intent was to troll. -- JT |
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On Fri, 19 May 2017 10:50:38 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Fri, 19 May 2017 08:07:39 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Justin Tyme writes: [] This is not a summary, this is you just wanting to bitch. You keep posting the same thing and many people have told you they don't see ads. I have never seen an ad. Telemetry is controllable if you wanted to learn. I have not had any problems with high overhead on resources. Why don't you take the time to learn how to control the OS instead of these whiney repetitious posts? Nobody is forcing you to use Win10. All true (well I'm not sure how controllable it all is in total, but I'm willing to believe that a _lot_ _can_ be controlled with effort), but with earlier versions you didn't _have_ to do all this "learning" to turn off such things. There's not really a whole lot that as to be learnt. It's not that difficult to control. It's the _default_ settings that are irritating. Yes, I agree. (Not that as-delivered defaults being bad are anything new - for example, not showing filename extensions has been there since I think Windows 3, and - especially with it being such a common malware aspect - you'd have thought they'd have changed that one, but they haven't; however, the telemetry etc. were less _there_ in earlier versions.) You should move on to Linux, then you would have something to legitimately whine about. Or wine ... (-: Yes, a *much* better choice than whine. g LOL. After I hit the post button I thought that 'wine' would have been a better choice. -- JT |
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