XP Activation Needed !

Not running 7 Pro, only 7 Home, so probably can't run XP mode. I
thought I'd tried something like it a while back and didn't work, but
I'm probably mistaken. Thanks anyway ...

In article ,
, Dave Doe says...

In article ,
, SteveGG says...

Software won't run in Windows XP Mode either ...

Runs fine in XP installed.

Would gladly pay if I could avoid the 30 day reinstallation ...

As Ralph says, XP Mode *is* a *full* version of XP, in Windows 7 Virtual
PC - come pre-configured. You need Win 7 Pro or better to run XP Mode.

So this is *not* XP *compatibility* mode.

Download is here...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...s.aspx?id=8002

This is what she looks like on my Win7 Pro PC...
Screenshot on OneDrive...
https://1drv.ms/i/s!AjwgsYmRt63ph_FCipUSa-3u1utNrA


--
Duncan.

In article ,
, SteveGG says...

Not running 7 Pro, only 7 Home, so probably can't run XP mode. I
thought I'd tried something like it a while back and didn't work, but
I'm probably mistaken. Thanks anyway ...

Ah. Bugger!

--
Duncan.

On 09.06.17 0:43, Dave Doe wrote:
In article ,
, SteveGG says...

Software won't run in Windows XP Mode either ...

Runs fine in XP installed.

Would gladly pay if I could avoid the 30 day reinstallation ...

As Ralph says, XP Mode *is* a *full* version of XP, in Windows 7 Virtual
PC - come pre-configured. You need Win 7 Pro or better to run XP Mode.

So this is *not* XP *compatibility* mode.

Download is here...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...s.aspx?id=8002

Download running now. Two files, but the page is not clear
why there are 2.

In article ,
, Sjouke Burry says...

On 09.06.17 0:43, Dave Doe wrote:
In article ,
, SteveGG says...

Software won't run in Windows XP Mode either ...

Runs fine in XP installed.

Would gladly pay if I could avoid the 30 day reinstallation ...

As Ralph says, XP Mode *is* a *full* version of XP, in Windows 7 Virtual
PC - come pre-configured. You need Win 7 Pro or better to run XP Mode.

So this is *not* XP *compatibility* mode.

Download is here...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...s.aspx?id=8002

Download running now. Two files, but the page is not clear
why there are 2.

Basically, one is the XP Mode environment (about a 500MB virtual hard
disk (VHD), IIRC), the other will be the Virtual PC installer.

--
Duncan.

In article ,
, SteveGG says...

Not running 7 Pro, only 7 Home, so probably can't run XP mode. I
thought I'd tried something like it a while back and didn't work, but
I'm probably mistaken. Thanks anyway ...

Hey drop me an e-mail at:

--
Duncan.

In article ,
, Dave Doe says...

In article ,
, Sjouke Burry says...

On 09.06.17 0:43, Dave Doe wrote:
In article ,
, SteveGG says...

Software won't run in Windows XP Mode either ...

Runs fine in XP installed.

Would gladly pay if I could avoid the 30 day reinstallation ...

As Ralph says, XP Mode *is* a *full* version of XP, in Windows 7 Virtual
PC - come pre-configured. You need Win 7 Pro or better to run XP Mode.

So this is *not* XP *compatibility* mode.

Download is here...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...s.aspx?id=8002

Download running now. Two files, but the page is not clear
why there are 2.

Basically, one is the XP Mode environment (about a 500MB virtual hard
disk (VHD), IIRC), the other will be the Virtual PC installer.

Ah, I see...
WindowsXPMode_en-us.exe

WindowsXPMode_N_en-us.exe

The 'N' version is the old UK version??? - can't really remember now,
that MS had to put out way back then, without erm, um, something they
agreed not to include in XP (Windows Media Player?? - something like
that). It was an EU / MS disagreement thing.

Don't use the N version.

--
Duncan.

On 6/8/2017 3:50 PM, SteveGG wrote:
Not running 7 Pro, only 7 Home, so probably can't run XP mode. I
thought I'd tried something like it a while back and didn't work, but
I'm probably mistaken. Thanks anyway ...

Again, if you'd post what isn't running, maybe someone could try it
in xp mode for you.
For the long term, upgrading to 7pro might pay more dividends than fixing
your current xp activation problem.

It is very common for people to get fixated on solving one problem
when a fresh look at the OBJECTIVE might open up alternative solutions
that are
easier.

There's one more wrinkle. I've had an upgrade to virtualbox
deactivate XP. Same thing has happened when I changed the
amount of RAM allocated to an XP virtual system. I had the key,
so it wasn't a big problem. I've been told that that doesn't happen,
but my XP requesting activation was unmoved by that argument.

If you're dead set on activating your current XP, you'd be far more
likely to find a way to do it in a newsgroup with XP or "crack" in the
name.

On 09.06.17 1:10, Dave Doe wrote:
In article ,
, Sjouke Burry says...

On 09.06.17 0:43, Dave Doe wrote:
In article ,
, SteveGG says...

Software won't run in Windows XP Mode either ...

Runs fine in XP installed.

Would gladly pay if I could avoid the 30 day reinstallation ...

As Ralph says, XP Mode *is* a *full* version of XP, in Windows 7 Virtual
PC - come pre-configured. You need Win 7 Pro or better to run XP Mode.

So this is *not* XP *compatibility* mode.

Download is here...

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/down...s.aspx?id=8002

Download running now. Two files, but the page is not clear
why there are 2.

Basically, one is the XP Mode environment (about a 500MB virtual hard
disk (VHD), IIRC), the other will be the Virtual PC installer.

Checked google.
The files were with and without mediaplayer.
Google also told me I needed Windows6.1-KB958559-x86.msu to get
the virtual environment.(for 32 bit w7pro).
I still have to buy a new computer, but now I am prepared for that.
Btw, Thanks.

On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 16:56:44 -0700, mike wrote:

For the long term, upgrading to 7pro might pay more dividends than fixing
your current xp activation problem.

OR, he could install Linux and run XP in VirtualBox. Not only
faster and cheaper(the cost of the download), but probably safer too.
[]'s
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mike wrote:
On 6/8/2017 3:50 PM, SteveGG wrote:
Not running 7 Pro, only 7 Home, so probably can't run XP mode. I
thought I'd tried something like it a while back and didn't work, but
I'm probably mistaken. Thanks anyway ...

Again, if you'd post what isn't running, maybe someone could try it
in xp mode for you.
For the long term, upgrading to 7pro might pay more dividends than fixing
your current xp activation problem.

It is very common for people to get fixated on solving one problem
when a fresh look at the OBJECTIVE might open up alternative solutions
that are
easier.

There's one more wrinkle. I've had an upgrade to virtualbox
deactivate XP. Same thing has happened when I changed the
amount of RAM allocated to an XP virtual system. I had the key,
so it wasn't a big problem. I've been told that that doesn't happen,
but my XP requesting activation was unmoved by that argument.

If you're dead set on activating your current XP, you'd be far more
likely to find a way to do it in a newsgroup with XP or "crack" in the
name.

WinXP Mode uses Windows Virtual PC and Terminal Services (for screen
rendering). That's different than VPC2007, which just rendered to a
virtual frame buffer.

VirtualBox renders to a virtual frame buffer, and has as an added
bonus, true USB passthru. VirtualBox does intercept at USB packet
level. WinXP Mode, when passthru is supported, is at device
level, and typically works for storage devices (maybe a USB stick).
Whereas VirtualBox, you could run a WinXP era USB scanner or USB
webcam, as the device type doesn't matter. You identify the VID/PID
of the device you want to intercept, and it moves over to the Guest.

And that to me is a benefit of running actual WinXP in VirtualBox.
Instead of the pretend version of WinXP in Windows Virtual PC (on
Win7 Pro or better).

And Steves license key could still be kicking around. But the
key isn't going to be useful, if it's a Dell OEM generic key. The
key has value, if it was a retail copy of WinXP that got installed.
Even a backup image of the C: on the discarded PC, could be
used for forensic recovery. But how that OS was installed, gives
you some idea how useful the key will be. Since Steve seems to have
no related materials from the discarded PC, it sounds like he dumped a Dell
box, and that's that. Even the COA on the outside of that, isn't likely
to work on some random Guest VM. The WinXP activation server is now
"relaxed", it's also not "dead" either. It's not going to accept
any random 25 character key.

Paul

In article ,
says...

I tried a few and none worked.

Can you cite some you know are good ?

In my experience almost any old key you can find off any old pc will
likely work. Grab one off something thrown in your local recycler's bin
for thatr matter. I've even used the same key for two different installs
and both of them activated and have stayed activated for some time now.
I believe it to be something like wait 3 months between uses. Therefore
you have some friend with or some old pc of your own then don't
hesistate to try that key. Any problem is likely "what version", e.g.
basic, home, pro etc.

On 6/8/2017 8:15 PM, Paul wrote:
mike wrote:
On 6/8/2017 3:50 PM, SteveGG wrote:
Not running 7 Pro, only 7 Home, so probably can't run XP mode. I
thought I'd tried something like it a while back and didn't work, but
I'm probably mistaken. Thanks anyway ...

Again, if you'd post what isn't running, maybe someone could try it
in xp mode for you.
For the long term, upgrading to 7pro might pay more dividends than fixing
your current xp activation problem.

It is very common for people to get fixated on solving one problem
when a fresh look at the OBJECTIVE might open up alternative solutions
that are
easier.

There's one more wrinkle. I've had an upgrade to virtualbox
deactivate XP. Same thing has happened when I changed the
amount of RAM allocated to an XP virtual system. I had the key,
so it wasn't a big problem. I've been told that that doesn't happen,
but my XP requesting activation was unmoved by that argument.

If you're dead set on activating your current XP, you'd be far more
likely to find a way to do it in a newsgroup with XP or "crack" in the
name.

WinXP Mode uses Windows Virtual PC and Terminal Services (for screen
rendering). That's different than VPC2007, which just rendered to a
virtual frame buffer.

VirtualBox renders to a virtual frame buffer, and has as an added
bonus, true USB passthru. VirtualBox does intercept at USB packet
level. WinXP Mode, when passthru is supported, is at device
level, and typically works for storage devices (maybe a USB stick).
Whereas VirtualBox, you could run a WinXP era USB scanner or USB
webcam, as the device type doesn't matter. You identify the VID/PID
of the device you want to intercept, and it moves over to the Guest.

And that to me is a benefit of running actual WinXP in VirtualBox.
Instead of the pretend version of WinXP in Windows Virtual PC (on
Win7 Pro or better).

I'd agree. I elected to stay with virtualbox.
I did publish a link to a tutorial on using XP mode via virtualbox.
Don't know if that gives you the best of both worlds or the sum of
the limitations of each. It seems to require an activated version
of XPmode to start.

Best for the OP is difficult to determine because we haven't a clue
what he's attempting to do. If it's one program and a workaround for
seven can be found, that might be best.

Another thing I've done is made my machine running a CAD app
available on the internet and let someone else run it via VNC.
I do most of my linux tinkering via VNC to another host in the
back room.

The cleanest thing is to go down to the thrift store and buy
another derelict XP machine and use that. Stick it on the network
and VNC into it. They're cheaper
than dirt. I gave away several a few weeks ago.

Optimum strategy is buried deep in the details.

And Steves license key could still be kicking around. But the
key isn't going to be useful, if it's a Dell OEM generic key. The
key has value, if it was a retail copy of WinXP that got installed.
Even a backup image of the C: on the discarded PC, could be
used for forensic recovery. But how that OS was installed, gives
you some idea how useful the key will be. Since Steve seems to have
no related materials from the discarded PC, it sounds like he dumped a Dell
box, and that's that. Even the COA on the outside of that, isn't likely
to work on some random Guest VM. The WinXP activation server is now
"relaxed", it's also not "dead" either. It's not going to accept
any random 25 character key.

Do we know what identity virtualbox presents to XP?
Is it the identity of the virtualbox version or the underlying PC?

Most of my XP keys are from stickers on old dell machines.
I can't see any pattern in how MS decides whether to activate.
I've had dell hard drives swapped into asus motherboards and ran just fine.
I've had virtualbox .vdi run in virtualbox on disparate hardware.
I've had XP deactivate on updating virtualbox. I've had XP
deactivate on changing the memory allocation to that VM.

I built an XP virtual machine to host my taxes. I tested it on
several different hardwares with virtualbox. Worked fine.
The whole system worked fine until, one day, it deactivated itself.
I've moved back to plug-in hard drives.

Paul

mike wrote:


Do we know what identity virtualbox presents to XP?
Is it the identity of the virtualbox version or the underlying PC?

Most of my XP keys are from stickers on old dell machines.
I can't see any pattern in how MS decides whether to activate.
I've had dell hard drives swapped into asus motherboards and ran just fine.
I've had virtualbox .vdi run in virtualbox on disparate hardware.
I've had XP deactivate on updating virtualbox. I've had XP
deactivate on changing the memory allocation to that VM.

I built an XP virtual machine to host my taxes. I tested it on
several different hardwares with virtualbox. Worked fine.
The whole system worked fine until, one day, it deactivated itself.
I've moved back to plug-in hard drives.

Paul

Some of the emulated hardware, has names which identify that you're
looking at VirtualBox.

Typically, installed OSes don't go looking for those strings.

There can be exceptions though. Linux could detect it was virtualized,
and could use a "platform" driver. For a while, it was trying to use
Hyper-V storage drivers, when the host was actually VPC2007. It only
took them a year and a half to figure that out, and flush all the
kernels with the erroneous logic.

I keep seeing claims that each guest installation has *some*
sort of unique identifier. For example, it would be a slam-dunk,
to assign a unique MAC address to the virtual NIC. But yet I
keep seeing references to the virtual disk having an identifier.
I've yet to see someone provide proof just what is used
for identification, but whatever it is, it appears to be enough
to do the job. I don't see anyone claiming they're running
a hundred VMs off the same license key, for example.

Paul

On Thu, 08 Jun 2017 08:19:08 -0400, SteveGG
wrote:

Software won't run in Windows XP Mode either ...

Runs fine in XP installed.

Would gladly pay if I could avoid the 30 day reinstallation ...

Steve, what version of XP. ie sp3 sp2? I might have something kicking
around.
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JT