Create Backup For XP

Purchased a refurbished laptop with XP Pro installed.
Everything works.

I did a Macrium Reflect Image to a NAS and created a Rescue disk.

There is no Windows partition only the C:

Now I want to create backup dvds.

Is there a best way to do this ?

Please humor me and give me the simple steps to do this.

Anything else I need to do ?

Thank you.

On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 08:03:49 -0700, XP4Me wrote:

Purchased a refurbished laptop with XP Pro installed.
Everything works.

I did a Macrium Reflect Image to a NAS and created a Rescue disk.



I would suggest you keep this rescue disk, and perhaps make another
copy.

I had upgraded my Macrium to a later version, only to find that
restores done with the later version rescue disk did not result in a
bootable system. The same rescue disk did work with the backups
created with that version.

-dan z-



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slate_leeper wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jun 2017 08:03:49 -0700, XP4Me wrote:

Purchased a refurbished laptop with XP Pro installed.
Everything works.

I did a Macrium Reflect Image to a NAS and created a Rescue disk.



I would suggest you keep this rescue disk, and perhaps make another
copy.

I had upgraded my Macrium to a later version, only to find that
restores done with the later version rescue disk did not result in a
bootable system. The same rescue disk did work with the backups
created with that version.

-dan z-

Did you use the boot repair in the rescue CD, on the broken case ?

I find the best order, for things like Windows 10, is to use the
Macrium Rescue CD repair first, followed by trying to get Windows
to repair it with the features on the Windows installer DVD. The
Macrium repair seldom fixes things on its own, but I notice
that (usually) the Windows repair is able to work with the
results and get it running again. It ends up being a two-step
process.

Paul

I am trying to create a Win XP Pro Installer DVD since the laptop came
preloaded and with no DVDs.

I would like to create a DVD (or set) that will boot from the DVD drive
and do a Windows Install with or without the currently installed apps is OK.

Some app that will compress the currently loaded drive info and write to
a DVD or set of DVDs to create a bootable DVD for a re-install..



Paul wrote:
slate_leeper wrote:
Did you use the boot repair in the rescue CD, on the broken case ?

I find the best order, for things like Windows 10, is to use the
Macrium Rescue CD repair first, followed by trying to get Windows
to repair it with the features on the Windows installer DVD. The
Macrium repair seldom fixes things on its own, but I notice
that (usually) the Windows repair is able to work with the
results and get it running again. It ends up being a two-step
process.

Paul

XP4Me wrote:
Purchased a refurbished laptop with XP Pro installed.
Everything works.

I did a Macrium Reflect Image to a NAS and created a Rescue disk.

There is no Windows partition only the C:

Now I want to create backup dvds.

Is there a best way to do this ?

Please humor me and give me the simple steps to do this.

Anything else I need to do ?

Thank you.

I had a chance to test this.

1) The optical disc set will not be integrated. Your
Macrium Rescue CD will be separate from the data discs.

2) You do your Macrium backup as normal, however you go
to the options panel in Macrium and set the "output data size"
to 4GB. I didn't optimize that, and that's just a guess at
a good size for a DVD.

3) My WinXP test disk was around 20GB in size, and I had the
compression in Macrium cranked up to high. I ended up
with four 4GB files and a single 2GB file (which likely
contains the Index, which is used during restore).

4) Now, at this point, the MRIMG files are stored on your
NAS or some hard drive.

5) Using the build-in Windows disc burning, drop a file onto
each blank DVD and burn as you normally work. I faked this
step using mkisofs. Because I'm not waiting 5*30 minutes
for my rat**** DVD blanks to burn.

6) OK, now I have the Macrium boot CD in hand, and five data discs.

What I noticed at this point, is Macrium would *not* play nice,
with a pretend 6 optical drive configuration. It seemed to be
insisting that each file it find, be on the original optical
drive. So I had to dump that config and try again.

I set up a one-optical-drive config, booted the Macrium CD and
browsed for my backup (on the optical drive). Of the optical
discs 0,1,2,3,4, I inserted disc 4 at this point, and requested
verify. I flipped in the discs one at a time, and that seemed to
work for verify.

You can use the test case, of booting the Macrium CD, then running
a verify, then inserting discs 4,0,1,2,3. If it accepts that process,
then chances are very very good, it'll do the actual restore to the
hard drive when you need it. This allows testing the restoration
procedure a little bit, without messing anything up.

For my WinXP test, after feeding the five images and
rebooting, WinXP promptly got a 7B STOP error. This was
to be expected, because for my test case, my WinXP restoration
drive was on an AHCI port, and not an IDE port, and WinXP
doesn't have an AHCI driver. So I consider the test a "success",
because it did try to boot, and it must have accessed the boot.ini
to get that far.

In general, I don't recommend DVD backup, because it's so slow.
I tried testing the Windows 7 build-in backup to DVD, and it took
over two hours, just to prep and burn the discs. So it's a painful
process. The procedure above with Macrium, does have the advantage
that the generation of the 4GB files is independent of the
burning of DVDs. But that's not saying much. It's still going to
take two to three hours that way. With the virtual test method
I was using the restore only took 4 minutes 30 seconds, so I
didn't have to wait too long.

I realize your NAS could crash, or it could catch file, or
the power supply in it could overvolt and ruin the hard drive.
If it was me, I'd simply get a USB hard drive, and put my
second copy of the OS on that. Then use the Macrium emergency
boot CD, and restore from the USB drive. You will suffer less
hair loss this way. You could just put the file you already
have on the NAS, onto the USB hard drive. USB hard drives are
available in 2.5" form factor now, with the largest 2.5" USB
drive being around 2TB and being 15mm high. (That's taller
than a laptop drive, and the drive inside those USB enclosures,
cannot be put in the laptop bay at some later date, because
the laptop bay is 9.5mm high, and these big drives are
15mm high.) That's if you wanted the least intrusive USB
storage solution (that used a hard drive).

Obviously, you can buy a Sandisk Extreme 128GB and put your
copy of WinXP backup on that. But you have to be drenched in money
to afford one of those. There is at least one USB3.1 SSD product,
that writes at 700MB/sec, and again, it's pointless for this
job, as the laptop likely only has USB2 and the restore
could only go at 30MB/sec. If you use the DVD method, the
restore might run at 6MB/sec.

Depending on the NIC on the laptop, if it was a GbE chip,
that might be the fastest restore path (from your NAS). Make
sure the Macrium Emergency CD, when booted, can see your NAS.
Make a new disc, with a later WinPE version, if the network
cannot be seen. The Macrium menu is quite deceiving, and it'll
take a few seconds to find where the "Network" entry is hidden.
I missed it the first time, and got one of my other Macrium CDs
to try and find it.

Paul

XP4Me wrote:

I am trying to create a Win XP Pro Installer DVD since the laptop came
preloaded and with no DVDs.

I would like to create a DVD (or set) that will boot from the DVD drive
and do a Windows Install with or without the currently installed apps is
OK.

Some app that will compress the currently loaded drive info and write to
a DVD or set of DVDs to create a bootable DVD for a re-install..

This is Pro SP2 English. You'd need to install SP3 after this.

Is the link still there ? Dunno.

https://ia801903.us.archive.org/31/i...o_with_sp2.iso

Paul

On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:57:06 -0700, XP4Me wrote:


I am trying to create a Win XP Pro Installer DVD since the laptop came
preloaded and with no DVDs.

I would like to create a DVD (or set) that will boot from the DVD drive
and do a Windows Install with or without the currently installed apps is OK.


Almost certainly the laptop came with a recovery partition in lieu of
a DVD. It probably also came with instructions on how to burn its
contents to a DVD, so you would not be up the creek without a paddle
if the drive died,

Burning it to a DVD should have been the first thing you did when you
got the computer. Since you apparently didn't, I urge you to do it
ASAP.

Thanks for all of that !!!

I just think that a DVD is the best way to store important stuff.

The laptop is USB2 only so ...

It is a Lenovo T500

It has
a PC Card slot.
1394 connector
SIM card slot
SD slot - full size
3 USB2 ports (one used for mouse)
DVD burner
250G HDD
3G RAM
Audio ports on the front.

Recommendations for ...
Would a PC Card to USB3 be full speed ?
1394 external drive suggestions ?
Will SIM card work ? Not sure if I have drivers for that.

How about an external blueray burner and double-sided disks.
(too expensive but just a thought)

I cannot find a user's manual for it.
I can only find a tech manual but it does not explain it well for a user.

There is a hole for something on the frame above the screen.
What is that for ?

The T500 comes in so many flavors that it is confusing to track down
what is what.

I set up the fingerprint scanner and it worked until I changed the
computer name so according to some instructions I found I deleted all
fingerprints and booted and re-did the fingerprint set up.
At that point I had to reboot and after it came up the mouse pad and
little red joystick would not work so I plugged in a USB mouse for the
first time and the USB mouse got me going again. Now to the pad and
joystick problem. Where is that ?

As I said only the C: partition. Implying NO recovery partition.
NO DVDs.
I got a great price and it all works and battery is in good shape.
So I need to do some work myself to get stabilized.

Seems nobody makes an app to directly make a recovery DVD set.
Or even an app that makes the files and supports burning to DVD.

XP4Me wrote:
Thanks for all of that !!!

I just think that a DVD is the best way to store important stuff.

The laptop is USB2 only so ...

It is a Lenovo T500

It has
a PC Card slot.
1394 connector
SIM card slot
SD slot - full size
3 USB2 ports (one used for mouse)
DVD burner
250G HDD
3G RAM
Audio ports on the front.

Recommendations for ...
Would a PC Card to USB3 be full speed ?
1394 external drive suggestions ?
Will SIM card work ? Not sure if I have drivers for that.

How about an external blueray burner and double-sided disks.
(too expensive but just a thought)

I cannot find a user's manual for it.
I can only find a tech manual but it does not explain it well for a user.

There is a hole for something on the frame above the screen.
What is that for ?

The T500 comes in so many flavors that it is confusing to track down
what is what.

I set up the fingerprint scanner and it worked until I changed the
computer name so according to some instructions I found I deleted all
fingerprints and booted and re-did the fingerprint set up.
At that point I had to reboot and after it came up the mouse pad and
little red joystick would not work so I plugged in a USB mouse for the
first time and the USB mouse got me going again. Now to the pad and
joystick problem. Where is that ?

I don't think the PCCard slot is viable for high speed transfer.
It would be a bad joke, for USB3 purposes.

The 1394 is 50MB/sec theoretical, and 40MB/sec best case.
I own two enclosures, and using just one of them, I get 30MB/sec.
That's about the same as a USB2 drive will do, so there's
really no advantage to using Firewire 400 for this. Firewire 800
exists and was deployed a bit, but the connector is also
a bit different. Part of it having to do with trying to
stop the "blown port" problem. Firewire 800 would be worthwhile,
at least compared to USB2, but other standards are now better
than either of those.

As for the rest of your I/O experiments, carry on :-)

The best thing for Thinkpads, is to find the web site
of someone who really likes them, and has written up
all the stuff you want to know. You can find obscure
topics, such as replacing the optical drive, with
a carrier with a hard drive in it. So these things
do have features that are a bit different than other
manufacturers.

Paul

XP4Me wrote:
Thanks for all of that !!!

I just think that a DVD is the best way to store important stuff.

The laptop is USB2 only so ...

It is a Lenovo T500

It has
a PC Card slot.
1394 connector
SIM card slot
SD slot - full size
3 USB2 ports (one used for mouse)
DVD burner
250G HDD
3G RAM
Audio ports on the front.

Recommendations for ...
Would a PC Card to USB3 be full speed ?
1394 external drive suggestions ?
Will SIM card work ? Not sure if I have drivers for that.

How about an external blueray burner and double-sided disks.
(too expensive but just a thought)

I cannot find a user's manual for it.
I can only find a tech manual but it does not explain it well for a user.

There is a hole for something on the frame above the screen.
What is that for ?

The T500 comes in so many flavors that it is confusing to track down
what is what.

I set up the fingerprint scanner and it worked until I changed the
computer name so according to some instructions I found I deleted all
fingerprints and booted and re-did the fingerprint set up.
At that point I had to reboot and after it came up the mouse pad and
little red joystick would not work so I plugged in a USB mouse for the
first time and the USB mouse got me going again. Now to the pad and
joystick problem. Where is that ?

Why don't you consider getting an external HD enclosure that has a USB2
port. Sure seems like a better idea to me than having to rely on a bunch of
DVDs for backup purposes. (There are several to choose from). Plus a hard
drive is rewritable and faster than DVDs.

On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:15:01 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

XP4Me wrote:
Thanks for all of that !!!

I just think that a DVD is the best way to store important stuff.

The laptop is USB2 only so ...

It is a Lenovo T500

It has
a PC Card slot.
1394 connector
SIM card slot
SD slot - full size
3 USB2 ports (one used for mouse)
DVD burner
250G HDD
3G RAM
Audio ports on the front.

Recommendations for ...
Would a PC Card to USB3 be full speed ?
1394 external drive suggestions ?
Will SIM card work ? Not sure if I have drivers for that.

How about an external blueray burner and double-sided disks.
(too expensive but just a thought)

I cannot find a user's manual for it.
I can only find a tech manual but it does not explain it well for a user.

There is a hole for something on the frame above the screen.
What is that for ?

The T500 comes in so many flavors that it is confusing to track down
what is what.

I set up the fingerprint scanner and it worked until I changed the
computer name so according to some instructions I found I deleted all
fingerprints and booted and re-did the fingerprint set up.
At that point I had to reboot and after it came up the mouse pad and
little red joystick would not work so I plugged in a USB mouse for the
first time and the USB mouse got me going again. Now to the pad and
joystick problem. Where is that ?

Why don't you consider getting an external HD enclosure that has a USB2
port. Sure seems like a better idea to me than having to rely on a bunch of
DVDs for backup purposes. (There are several to choose from). Plus a hard
drive is rewritable and faster than DVDs.


I bought one of these a few years ago. It was cheaper then but really
works well. Put any SATA revision I/II/III (1.5/3.0/6.0 Gbps) drive
in it. I liked the idea of a built in fan to cool the drive.

StarTech.com USB 3.0 to 3.5-Inch SATA III Hard Drive Enclosure with
Fan and Upright Design

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-...ve+enc losure

DC

TRAVELING.
I can drop a DVD bag with DVD and suffer not damage.

Try that with a HDD or SSD. Packaging to bulky too.

Pen drive too easy to erase on or not on purpose.

DVDs best for storage.

In message , XP4Me
writes:
TRAVELING.
I can drop a DVD bag with DVD and suffer not damage.

Agreed.

Try that with a HDD or SSD. Packaging to bulky too.

Agreed (though some SSD enthusiasts might argue).

Pen drive too easy to erase on or not on purpose.

Agreed.

DVDs best for storage.

Not proven. I have some CDRs that are some years old and won't read (and
no, they weren't written at 52x, nor have they been left exposed to
light); I presume DVDRs to be _more_ prone to deterioration (I have at
least one _video_ one that is now problematic). Sure, you can get
archive-quality ones, but I'm still to be convinced (and I think they
cost an arm and a leg too).

I don't know what _is_ best; I incline to HDDs (with your caveat re
physical fragility), but will admit that's mainly due to convenience
rather than experience.
--
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Look out for #1. Don't step in #2 either.

In message , "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" writes
In message , XP4Me
writes:
TRAVELING.
I can drop a DVD bag with DVD and suffer not damage.

Agreed.

Try that with a HDD or SSD. Packaging to bulky too.

Agreed (though some SSD enthusiasts might argue).

Pen drive too easy to erase on or not on purpose.

Agreed.

DVDs best for storage.

Not proven. I have some CDRs that are some years old and won't read
(and no, they weren't written at 52x, nor have they been left exposed
to light); I presume DVDRs to be _more_ prone to deterioration (I have
at least one _video_ one that is now problematic). Sure, you can get
archive-quality ones, but I'm still to be convinced (and I think they
cost an arm and a leg too).

I don't know what _is_ best; I incline to HDDs (with your caveat re
physical fragility), but will admit that's mainly due to convenience
rather than experience.

The easiest way of backing up your hard drive is simply to clone it to
another hard drive. However, the OP seems determined to find reasons not
to do the obvious.

As the PC in question is a laptop, it presumably has a 2.5 inch drive.
These are small and light, and if he is worried about it being damaged,
can be stored in some suitable accident-proof packaging. If he is REALLY
worried, he can make several cloned copies. Of course, the backup drive
can also be a 3.5 inch drive, which will certainly hurt more if you drop
it on your foot.
--
Ian