Quick question: poor man's disk wipe?

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 07:19:16 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

3. Even if they were my least favorite brand or product, I would feel
the same way. I'm against any such poor-attempt-at-humor-jabs at *any*
brand or product.


I probably shouldn't bother, since my comments seem to have no effect
on you, but let me add that even your jab *was* funny, it would
quickly lose its humorous effect when you repeat it again and again
and again...

On 25-Jun-17 3:19 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 23:05:07 -0700, T wrote:

On 06/23/2017 12:59 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 10:23:08 -0700, T wrote:

On 06/23/2017 08:06 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 19:25:38 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

T wrote:

On 06/21/2017 12:36 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

On 06/20/2017 05:47 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 6/20/2017 5:54 PM, T wrote:
No, reformatting won't remove your data from someone who
it reading it sector by sector. It only updates the file tables.

I realized that, that's why I said, "I'm not talking about NSA-level"
wipe. Just enough to prevent a partition undelete, and therefore a file
undelete.

If you want to dispose of it, whack it with a hammer.

No, definitely don't want to whack it with a hammer, want to reuse
afterwards. Future reuse will automatically take care of overwriting
previous data, of course, but I want previous data locations to be
unknown. Thinking a change in filesystem formats would scramble up the
locations of previous data, making it impossible to restore, except by
sector-by-sector analysis.

Yousuf Khan

Hi Yousuf,

Well, if yo use it enough, you will eventually overwrite everything,
but it will take a while.

I have had to use the dd method on some weird Windows formatted
disks before as they were not readable by the OS. This happens
to me a lot when a take a Frankenstein the Elder (w8) disk and
try to do an install of Windows 7 on it. dd it is! Some
Apple formats do this too.

There are some Windows utilities out there that will scramble
all the empty space on your disk. I have one, but I forgot
what it is called. I can look it up for you if you wish.

-T

Does anyone other than you bother with the "Franken" slur? Don't you
think it's about time to quit trying to push your childish lingo onto
others? No one is adopting it.


Are you working for the M$ Marketing Police today? Someone ****
in your wheaties this morning? Go find your sense of humor.
A good cup of tea will help.

Do you keep using personal lingo when no one else adopts it? Maybe
that's why you're avoided at parties. You don't have the audience size
or endurance of Lewis Carroll. Neologisms work only if you can effect
change through literature or media or can effectively influence a large
audience. You've failed. Move on.

You're supposed to be a contracted consultant to customers (who comes
here to obtain help). Do you use your Franken lingo with your customers
to deliberately confuse them? Elevate your professionalism.

Accusing someone of being a Microsoft fanboy is a last resort inane
insult. Just detracts from being professional.


A very strong ditto to everything you say above. And one additional
point:

We all have different senses of humor. What I think is funny the next
person might not. T thinks that anyone who doesn't have the same sense
of humor he does has no sense of humor. That's absurd, and sound like
the opinion of a six-year-old.


You two should stay away from the Wheaties.


Working harder at making everyone think you're a six-year old?


Dear Messrs. Cranky Pants,

Harmless jabs at your favorite product(s)/brand(s)
are not juvenile or slurs.



You call them harmless, but I don't think they're harmless at all. I
think they are designed to turn people away from those products. They
don't achieve that goal for everyone, but they probably do for some.

Three other points:

1. Microsoft is not my favorite brand. They do many things wrong, as
far as I'm concerned.

2. Windows 10 is not my favorite product. As much as I like it, there
are many things about it that I would change.

3. Even if they were my least favorite brand or product, I would feel
the same way. I'm against any such poor-attempt-at-humor-jabs at *any*
brand or product.

If you, or anyone else, want to point out *real* deficiencies (not
fake deficiencies, as so many people who don't know what they're
talking about do) in a product (any product), I have no problem with
it. But remember that this is a newsgroup whose purpose is to help
people with problems, not to rant about deficiencies. Deficiencies
should only be pointed out in a thread where someone asks about a
problem, and the deficiency is related to the question.

As a single example of what I mean by that last statement, in the
Windows 10 newsgroup, I never rant about how terrible I think Edge is.
But if someone has a problem with Edge, I often suggest that the best
solution to the problem is to use a different browser, not Edge

Is this profile you, Ken?

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...icrosoft%20MVP

--
Sometimes man stumbles over the truth. (W.Churchill)

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:04:54 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Is this profile you ?

https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

[]'s

--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012

Wolf K on Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:29:05 -0400 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 2017-06-25 10:31, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 07:19:16 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

[etc]

For a "quick question", this sure has generated lot of posts.

Quick questions sometimes have multiple and complex answers. Cliff
Stoll, in his book "The Cuckoo's Egg" describes his orals for his
master's degree in astronomy. Towards the end, after most of the
questions have been asked, one of the committee, who had not said much
so far, asked "Why is the sky blue?" Abbadah, yammah,
Quote:
"Could you be more specific?"

An hour later, I'm sweating hard. His simple question—a
five-year-old's question—has drawn together oscillator theory,
electricity and magnetism, thermodynamics, even quantum mechanics.
Even in my miserable writhing, I admired the guy.
/endquote.

--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

In message , Shadow
writes:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:04:54 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Is this profile you ?

https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

[]'s

Can we have a this-group-specific version of whoever's law, the one that
says a thread is deemed null and void as soon as someone mentions Hitler
or the Nazis - which says the same when someone mentions stalking?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

- often six furlongs ahead of the field, but on the wrong racecourse. - Colin
Dexter on (his creation the character) Morse; Radio Times 12-18 May 2012.

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:04:54 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Is this profile you, Ken?

*sigh* Stalkers stalk. It's what they do.

--

Char Jackson

On 26-Jun-17 3:26 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:04:54 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Is this profile you, Ken?

*sigh* Stalkers stalk. It's what they do.

I've found that it's always folk who have something to hide who don't
respond to reasonable questions.

Why should 'our' Ken be ashamed of admitting that he's an MVP?

--
Sometimes man stumbles over the truth. (W.Churchill)

David B. wrote:
On 26-Jun-17 3:26 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:04:54 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Is this profile you, Ken?

*sigh* Stalkers stalk. It's what they do.

I've found that it's always folk who have something to hide who don't
respond to reasonable questions.

Why should 'our' Ken be ashamed of admitting that he's an MVP?


You have no actual interest in Ken.

You want to strike up a conversation with Ken such
as "*Why* does Winston have 29 email addresses".
In other words, you want to "pump" Ken, like a
country well, with that big pump handle.

This is why you keep asking random people to
look at some particular web pages - people who
would have no interest or knowledge of the web pages.

You expect Ken to "satisfy your fetish".

Why should he do that ?

You have a fetish.

There's nothing honorable about what you're doing.

Paul

On 06/25/2017 07:19 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
Dear Messrs. Cranky Pants,

Harmless jabs at your favorite product(s)/brand(s)
are not juvenile or slurs.


You call them harmless, but I don't think they're harmless at all. I
think they are designed to turn people away from those products.

Dear Mr. Cranky Pants,

Not in the slightest.

I deal with a lot of people in my business travels. Their biggest
issues is usually with I.T. people. Lets face it, in the aggregate,
our profession is a bunch of arrogant ass holes. One of the things
that gets me repeat customer and referrals is that I respect my
customers and do not treat them like idiots. Lets face it,
some of the things my customers do, I could never do in 1000 years.
Does that make me an idiot?

Now what does that have to do with harmless jags at certain
technologies/companies. Well, the user is typically
pretty upset when they call me. By listening to their
emotional responses to what happened, I am validating them.
I become a technology friend they can trust.

If I act like they are idiots, there is nothing wrong with
the technology, and it is all their problem, I would never
get called back.

The harmless names are noting more than harmless names.
NO ONE in my 22 years of this has stopped using a Windows
product because I made playful fun of it. NO ONE has
been turned away from Windows because I don't like
M$'s products. But they do trust me because I do not
act like a marketing rep.

Most business have no choice but to use Windows. All
the business apps are on Windows. And to be quite frank,
no one cares what operating system they are using AS LONG
as it runs their apps.

The jabs are meant for humor and validation, not to
get folks unto other systems.


They
don't achieve that goal for everyone, but they probably do for some.

Three other points:

1. Microsoft is not my favorite brand. They do many things wrong, as
far as I'm concerned.

That is a reasonable evaluation,


2. Windows 10 is not my favorite product. As much as I like it, there
are many things about it that I would change.

Also a reasonable evaluation.


3. Even if they were my least favorite brand or product, I would feel
the same way. I'm against any such poor-attempt-at-humor-jabs at*any*
brand or product.

You seems to complain more about jabs at M$'s stuff than
others, but I will give you that.

But you can't have it both ways. Stating "they are designed
to turn people away from those products" is bordering
on tech evangelism.


If you, or anyone else, want to point out*real* deficiencies (not
fake deficiencies, as so many people who don't know what they're
talking about do) in a product (any product), I have no problem with
it. But remember that this is a newsgroup whose purpose is to help
people with problems, not to rant about deficiencies. Deficiencies
should only be pointed out in a thread where someone asks about a
problem, and the deficiency is related to the question.

Windows is what it is. I agree with your that this group is
to help folks. Ranting is not helpful. Harmless jabs are not
rants. They are humor and validation.

As a single example of what I mean by that last statement, in the
Windows 10 newsgroup, I never rant about how terrible I think Edge is.
But if someone has a problem with Edge, I often suggest that the best
solution to the problem is to use a different browser, not Edge

I get a lot of complaints about Edge too. It is not ready
for prime time. If they are hermetically addicted to IE
or have some specific IE only site they must use, I remove
the Edge icon and give them back their IE icon. Otherwise
I install Firefox for them. Chrome is okay, but a bit
stripped for my tastes.

I do not say or imply with facial expressions, etc., that
the reason they are having trouble with Edge is because
they are idiots

On 26-Jun-17 6:19 PM, Paul wrote:
David B. wrote:
On 26-Jun-17 3:26 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:04:54 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Is this profile you, Ken?

*sigh* Stalkers stalk. It's what they do.

I've found that it's always folk who have something to hide who don't
respond to reasonable questions.

Why should 'our' Ken be ashamed of admitting that he's an MVP?


You have no actual interest in Ken.

That is correct.

You want to strike up a conversation with Ken such
as "*Why* does Winston have 29 email addresses".
In other words, you want to "pump" Ken, like a
country well, with that big pump handle.

THAT is INCORRECT.

This is why you keep asking random people to
look at some particular web pages - people who
would have no interest or knowledge of the web pages.

You expect Ken to "satisfy your fetish".

No, I don't.

Why should he do that ?

Because, like me, he is a granddad. UNLIKE me he never found time to
play with his son and his son's Meccano set. I have no doubt that he
regrets that now.

You have a fetish.

I have a firm belief that there is a small group of MVPs who have abused
the Microsoft forums for personal gain.

There's nothing honorable about what you're doing.

Endeavouring to identify folk who are trying to cause harm to others
*IS* an honourable thing to have as an objective.

--
Sometimes man stumbles over the truth. (W.Churchill)

On 25-Jun-17 9:51 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:04:54 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

Is this profile you, Ken?

https://social.technet.microsoft.com...icrosoft%20MVP

Your support is most welcome, Shadow. :-)

It's a simple question requiring a simple yes/no answer.

--
Sometimes man stumbles over the truth. (W.Churchill)

In message , T writes:
On 06/25/2017 07:19 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
Dear Messrs. Cranky Pants,

Harmless jabs at your favorite product(s)/brand(s)
are not juvenile or slurs.
You call them harmless, but I don't think they're harmless at all.

think they are designed to turn people away from those products.

I wouldn't go that far; I think they're just an attempt at humour.

Dear Mr. Cranky Pants,

:-|
[]
Now what does that have to do with harmless jags at certain
[]
The harmless names are noting more than harmless names.
[]
Most business have no choice but to use Windows. All
the business apps are on Windows. And to be quite frank,
Agreed ...
no one cares what operating system they are using AS LONG
as it runs their apps.
.... and agreed, and that applies to lots of private users as well. (My
brother for example: an Associate Editor on the OED, who has recently
published a history of it; he also co-runs a musical charity, and has a
first in maths from Cambridge. [So not a numpty, by any means.] He's
just not "into" computers the way we a he uses mail, browser, and WP.
Upgraded to an all-in-one in W8 era, from Vista - but as long as he can
use the app.s he wants, he's not bothered what the OS is.)

The jabs are meant for humor and validation, not to
get folks unto other systems.
[]
3. Even if they were my least favorite brand or product, I would feel
the same way. I'm against any such poor-attempt-at-humor-jabs at*any*
brand or product.

I agree to a limited extent, and would include people too.
[]
Windows is what it is. I agree with your that this group is
to help folks. Ranting is not helpful. Harmless jabs are not
rants. They are humor and validation.
[]
I think the person who first objected to your "Franken" ones (not sure
if that's the same person you're replying to here) _wasn't_ objecting
for the reasons you suggest, but that he was bored with them. FWIW, I
quite liked the "Franken" when I first saw them, and the "young and old"
Franken was quite inventive. I think the point was just that they're now
a bit past their sell-by date - at least here - as humour.

I also particularly liked "Windows Nein" the first few times I saw it,
as that works on various levels; was that one of yours?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Sarcasm: Barbed ire

David B. STALKER wrote:

I have a firm belief that there is a small group of MVPs who have abused
the Microsoft forums for personal gain.

Riiiighttt. There *is* a "small group of MVPs" who have BANNED your
various IDs ("BoaterDave", "David_B", "BDonTJ", "Commander_B", etc etc
etc) from the Microsoft Answers forums - for abuse and repetitive off-
topic stalking.

The only _personal_ gain they've gotten is the pleasure of seeing you
disappear for a day or two until you create yet *another* account.

--
-bts

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 20:35:49 +0100, "David B."
wrote:

On 26-Jun-17 6:19 PM, Paul wrote:

There's nothing honorable about what you're doing.

Endeavouring to identify folk who are trying to cause harm to others
*IS* an honourable thing to have as an objective.

OK, you've been identified as someone who wants to cause harm to others.
Now the question is, what do you plan to do about yourself?

--

Char Jackson

On 06/26/2017 12:50 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I think the person who first objected to your "Franken" ones (not sure
if that's the same person you're replying to here) _wasn't_ objecting
for the reasons you suggest, but that he was bored with them. FWIW, I
quite liked the "Franken" when I first saw them, and the "young and old"
Franken was quite inventive. I think the point was just that they're now
a bit past their sell-by date - at least here - as humour.

I also particularly liked "Windows Nein" the first few times I saw it,
as that works on various levels; was that one of yours?

The reason give was "I think they are designed to turn
people away from those products." And that I was "smearing"
and "acting like a 6 year old". This is all the trade
mark police. Not that my jokes were old.

One of the mistakes new wives make with their husbands
is to laugh at their jokes. Then they discover they
get to listen to the same jokes over and over and over
for the rest of their lives.

The Windows Nein is just to poke M$ marketing staff in
the eye for the bull s*** reason they foist on
us for skipping nine.

The Frankenstein actually serves two purposes. The
first is that it is funny, the second is to acknowledge
the stitched together aspect of Nein that is causing
so much havoc.

I have a customer that does not laugh at anything.
"I get the joke, it is just not funny" whilst every one
else is laughing their asses off around her. Her downfall
is that she laughs her butt off at dumb kid jokes.
So I endeavor to have one ready for her every time I
visit. It has become a ritual. I dare her not to laugh.
So far I am 100%.

I will work on more creative material.