Windows 7 Saying "Windows is not genuine" ?

Per Clovis:

too easy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4z5e5zvWqU

you're welcome

Just finished the process.

I guess that makes the "slmgr -rearm" command more-or-less permanent by
keeping Windows from phoning home to check.

Am I even close?

System *looks* like it's back to normal now.... time will tell...
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VanguardLH Thu, 22
Jun 2017 21:48:06 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

The buyer that screwed me had been removed by eBay before I
returned years later to find out why my license key for Office
2003 would no longer work for a reinstall.

Aha. You didn't have a legit key that was ONLY used by you. As I
suspected. Salvaged keys (which is what alot of people via ebay, etc)
are selling are not technically legal keys. They were supposed to die
with the hardware they were lifted from. You are taking chances by
using a key like this.


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VanguardLH Thu, 22
Jun 2017 23:59:48 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

How long since the prior installation of Windows 7 that worked
okay for activation (NOT registration) has it been until you tried
another install with the new hardware? Maybe if you wait another
3-4 months the prior activation record will roll out from
Microsoft's database and you'll be activating anew again. Yeah,
who wants to wait that long.

Oh, do shut up blathering idiot. His key isn't going to be 'rolled
out', it's been blacklisted. ****canned, no longer valid. Ever. not
for activations, anyhow.

I'm guessing you have an OEM license for Windows 7. That means
you didn't pay for support from Microsoft and probably why they
didn't help you. As soon as they saw "OEM" somewhere in the key,
poof went their support. If you have an OEM license, who is/was
your OEM? Did you buy an OEM license separately or did it come
pre-installed on the computer? If bought separately, your OEM is
the seller. If pre-installed, your OEM is the computer maker.

Again, you're an idiot. They won't help him, because, politely
speaking, he violated oem license terms more than once, his key was
finally ****canned and now, it comes up as invalid on their screen.
NOTHING to do with oem/retail. Everything to do with a blacklisted
key!

By the way, when phoning in to get activation support, they should
tell you if a key has been invalidated due to piracy.

They don't have to tell you the reason it was invalidated. Especially
if he's called them previously from the same number for the same
issue. Yes, they keep those logged too.

That's how I found out my Office key got invalidated.

It's highly unlikely your key was keygenned. So, either you
'borrowed' somebody elses key, loaned yours out, OR, you loaded it on
one too many machines and you finally scored yourself a blacklisted
key for your trouble.

Maybe the Windows
techs are less helpful than the Office techs but I suspect it is
the same call center for both product activations.

You suspect wrong, and, it's more than one 'call center'

I did have to
push past the 1st-level call center tech that only knows his
canned responses and fixed procedures.

If he issued you a 'new' key and/or challenge/response key to
reactivate your copy of office without you buying a new key, be rest
assured, your account (the key really) has a note traveling along
with it. They won't do it for you again in the future.


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Dave Doe
Fri, 23 Jun
2017 00:26:12 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

In article , ,
VanguardLH says...

Dave Doe wrote:

In article ,
lid, (PeteCresswell) says...

Per Dave Doe:
Phone Microsoft. Activation support is free.

Been there, done that - there is no support once the person at
the other end types in one's product key and the system says
"Invalid".

Yeah, but what I meant to say, is phone them *back* - and don't
accept a no for an answer. You have a valid product key. Take
a picture beferehand, of the key, and then a shot of the PC
with the sticker on it (hopefully the key is still readable in
that pic too) - they *have* to accept it!

Not if an OEM license.

Why not? It's the same hardware - you're allowed to make changes,
such as new mobo, hard disk etc - as long as it's not so
significant to be called a 'new PC'.

Nope. Mainboard changeout counts as a 'new PC' When the mainboard
dies, the key goes with it. Hard disk, ram, video card, sure,
mainboard, most certainly not.





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On 22/06/2017 18:27, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Paul:
Summary - you didn't activate, it expired, best guess.
That seems tb the case, but begs the question of how I got through the
last five years or so....

You were just lucky you weren't found out using pirated copies. They
should really go after you and fine you about $5,000 to stop you from
being so stupid.


I am guessing that, before the rebuild, MS had not yet deactivated my
key so activation was successful back then.... but by the time I rebuilt
a month ago, MS had deactivated the key.

So you are in the business of pirating.

Is it true that you also installed Windows 10 to get your free license?
If so then re-install Windows 10 to see if it lets you your
entitlement. I think you will get free Windows 10 if you installed once
and activated when it was given away free of charge. However, you were
the first one to say that Microsoft is spying on you so now we know why
they were spying on you. You are a serial thief and you get what you
deserve,.

Go back to that crapware aka LinJunk, which you liked more than Windows.



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On 22/06/2017 22:24, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
From what I have read so far, the most likely explanation is that:

Cut the crap. The most likely explanation is that you are a known thief
and now you are trying to justify that it is not your fault. It is pure
common sense. You paid $15.00 to an ebay vendor for Windows 7
professional (which normally cost $250.00) and expected to use it for
life! Now you have been found out that you are a lair and a thief. So
don't try to explain your way out.

Go and buy Windows 10 or go and get a new laptop from DELL or HP to be
on the safe side. People like you should be executed for making up stories.
..



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Dave Doe wrote:

In article , , VanguardLH
says...

Dave Doe wrote:

In article , lid,
(PeteCresswell) says...

Per Dave Doe:
Phone Microsoft. Activation support is free.

Been there, done that - there is no support once the person at the other
end types in one's product key and the system says "Invalid".

Yeah, but what I meant to say, is phone them *back* - and don't accept a
no for an answer. You have a valid product key. Take a picture
beferehand, of the key, and then a shot of the PC with the sticker on it
(hopefully the key is still readable in that pic too) - they *have* to
accept it!

Not if an OEM license.

Why not? It's the same hardware - you're allowed to make changes, such
as new mobo, hard disk etc - as long as it's not so significant to be
called a 'new PC'.

I was referring to *Microsoft* not supporting OEM licenses. Microsoft
still validates OEM licenses using their automated system but that
doesn't mean they provide manpower (call center) to support OEM
licenses. That it is OEM means you didn't pay Microsoft for support.

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...lume-licenses/
"OEM software ... is the responsibility of the computer manufacturer or
installer to provide support rather than Microsoft."

http://www.zdnet.com/article/what-mi...s-7-licensing/
"Your Windows license agreement is between you and the PC maker, not
between you and Microsoft."
"The PC maker is required to provide support for Windows. Except for
security issues, Microsoft will not provide free support for any issues
you have with Windows purchased from an OEM."

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Frequently-a...0087985/g.html
"OEM Windows doesn't include free phone support from Microsoft because
you, as the 'system builder', are supposed to provide it."

This is news to you? Do you OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer?
Microsoft is the manufacturer of their software product, not an OEMer.
You cannot buy OEM versions from Microsoft, just FPP (fully packaged
product) or VLK (volume) licenses. You as an end-user are not a
Microsoft OEM Partner or Microsoft Reseller.

The OP already discovered what happens when he attempts to get phone
support for an OEM license. "We don't support OEM software" or "Contact
your OEM".

On 22/06/2017 23:38, Diesel wrote:
Well, technically Pete, when you changed out the mainboard the first
time... you were in violation of the license agreement. That key dies
with the system it was initially loaded on. Technically.



But he is a seasoned thief who has already done it before. You can't
convince him not to do it. A thief is a thief. There is no way to
change that crooked mind set. If it was possible, we won't have our
prisons of thieves, serial killers and rapists. Once a thief always a
thief.

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On 23/06/2017 00:02, Dave Doe wrote:
Yeah, but what I meant to say, is phone them *back* - and don't accept a
no for an answer.

Any what gives you the right to bully those Indian Call Centre workers?
You are also asking this thief join you to do the same. Have you all
have been like this since 2001 when activation came in to force with
Windows XP?

It's not going to help. Those workers have been told to put the phone
down (and to report to the authorities) all thieves who shouts at them.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!





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On 23/06/2017 00:08, Stan Brown wrote:
What is the Microsoft Toolkit? A quick Google revealed zillions of
variations, none from Microsoft as far as I noticed.

NOW EVEN STUPID STAN BROWN WANTS TO LEARN HOW TO STEAL MICROSOFT
SOFTWARE. Free Windows 10 was not enough to excite them so they are now
resorting to stealing old software. Are these people on some drugs or what?




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On 23/06/2017 01:26, Dave Doe wrote:
Why not? It's the same hardware - you're allowed to make changes, such
as new mobo, hard disk etc - as long as it's not so significant to be
called a 'new PC'.

No a thief is not allowed anything like this so just **** off and stop
teaching people how to bully indian call worker. Microsoft is spying on
you and the head of Microsoft is an Indian if you need to know this.




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(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Clovis:
too easy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4z5e5zvWqU

you're welcome

Just finished the process.

I guess that makes the "slmgr -rearm" command more-or-less permanent by
keeping Windows from phoning home to check.

Am I even close?

System *looks* like it's back to normal now.... time will tell...

You won't know that for a day or two, after you've rebooted
and so on.

I didn't think a re-arm would work, if you allow the grace period
to expire.

Note that some of the behaviors differ a bit with Enterprise. And
I think you're running Pro, which is a non-business SKU.

The purpose of grace periods and re-arms, is to help IT people.
It has little to do with end-users. Some IT people install the
OS, do all sorts of customization, do sysprep or whatever, and
apply the key quite late (using whatever method is appropriate
for a small or large business).

All that re-arm does, is extend the grace period. And the grace
period is a period where you're "allowed a little time to decide you
want to use your license and make the OS a permanent install".

For example, say you bumble an install, and mess up while moving
your programs over. I did something like that once (don't remember
the details now), but something I did made such a mess, it was just
better to start over again. If I'd loaded the key, then that
would only have made things worse (you don't want too many
install-attempts in a short calendar period).

So all this grace crap, is (mainly) giving IT people time to work
up an image, before mass deployment. Usually, 30 days would be sufficient
for an end-user to "abort" an install and start over again, so an end-user
doesn't normally need that much grace.

The idea is, eventually, you enter some key, you push a button
to "activate", which sends the key to Microsoft, and some "token" comes
back. You can use "slmgr /dlv" to verify the activation worked.

You're also allowed to change keys, even if it's a financial disaster
for you. For example, on Windows 10, if I wanted, I could install and
"accidentally" have the Digital Entitlement I previously used, activate
my OS. Maybe I wanted a certain retail key to be associated with the
machine (because I'm selling it to someone maybe). So I can do a key
change, re-activate, and it's all above board again. I give them
the retail package, the COA sticker, the purchase receipt, and if
there is ever a question of legitimacy later, they have all the
materials in hand. I've left a paper trail, but it cost someone
$150 to do that. There should never be any questions later
about what was done.

*******

So let's get back to your situation.

We know the grace period expired.

Notification Reason: 0xC004F009 (grace time expired).

The version is retail. So the disc you used to install,
is more likely to be Home Premium or Pro, and not
Enterprise, and isn't an OEM one like a Dell DVD.

Windows License Type: Retail

The part that doesn't add up, is

*****-*****-CM74G-RPHKF-PW487

which is a publicly known key used to bypass key entry.

Where did you get that value ?

I suspect you did not type that in.

At some point, there should have been a license
key box. Did you enter some *other* key off the
COA sticker.

AAAAA-BBBBB-CCCCC-DDDDD-EEEEE

or did you just hit the "Skip entering key" thing
and not enter any key at all ? On Win7 you can "skip",
on Win8 you must enter a key, or the install stops.

If you didn't enter any (value) key, then PW487 is
not going to activate, neither is it going to impress
the phone-support person. It's a known "non-key".

If you entered no key, then it couldn't possibly activate.

Send-valid-key --------- MS
Receive token --------

If you don't send a valid key, you never really tried
to redeem your key at all.

When you had the phone support person on the phone,
did you read off the PW487 key to them ?

Did you read off the actual COA one

AAAAA-BBBBB-CCCCC-DDDDD-EEEEE

and they gave some sort of negative response ?

I'm wondering if something got lost in the translation
here. Because I've received no positive feedback from
you, as to where (physically) you retrieved a key for
doing this install. Was it on a COA sticker ?
Written on the sleeve of your shirt ?
Or what ?

Normally the "too bad, so sad" sequence would be

1) User enters AAAAA-BBBBB-CCCCC-DDDDD-EEEEE (which happens
to be blacklisted for some reason).
2) A phone number appears on the screen.
3) User calls.
4) Support person asks questions, and provides feedback.
"Too bad, so sad."

I'm not seeing any evidence a "regular" key was
even offered to anyone. To the computer. Or to
the phone-support person. If you'd entered the

AAAAA-BBBBB-CCCCC-DDDDD-EEEEE

key, I should be seeing that in the MGADiag ?

It's like a steeplechase, where it appears the
runner stumbled before the first hurdle. Where
are we on that racetrack right now ? You seem to
think you're three-quarters of the way around
the track. And I can't tell from this thread right
now, where you are. You've fallen - but where ?

Paul

Diesel wrote:
Dave Doe
Fri, 23 Jun
2017 00:26:12 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

In article , ,
VanguardLH says...
Dave Doe wrote:

In article ,
lid, (PeteCresswell) says...
Per Dave Doe:
Phone Microsoft. Activation support is free.
Been there, done that - there is no support once the person at
the other end types in one's product key and the system says
"Invalid".
Yeah, but what I meant to say, is phone them *back* - and don't
accept a no for an answer. You have a valid product key. Take
a picture beferehand, of the key, and then a shot of the PC
with the sticker on it (hopefully the key is still readable in
that pic too) - they *have* to accept it!
Not if an OEM license.
Why not? It's the same hardware - you're allowed to make changes,
such as new mobo, hard disk etc - as long as it's not so
significant to be called a 'new PC'.

Nope. Mainboard changeout counts as a 'new PC' When the mainboard
dies, the key goes with it. Hard disk, ram, video card, sure,
mainboard, most certainly not.

There is some lee-way.

The machine I'm typing on, has a System Builder OEM, and
I changed to a different motherboard, and they still
activated it. All I had to do was explain the previous
motherboard was defective (which it was). And it was
a *design* defect, not a hardware failure. It simply
didn't work right, whenever a WinTV card was installed,
so I had to get rid of it. (The design defect, is the
VIA Southbridge hack for the PCI bus controller bug,
which changes the max burst size.) The replacement motherboard
was another LGA775 board, but with an Intel chipset instead
of a VIA chipset.

Normally, that would be the end of the license...
except it wasn't.

And people will tell you all sorts of outrageous stories
about badgering the phone people for a one-time activation
and getting it. So if you cook up a decent story,
you can still get it through.

The phone-support mainly wants to be convinced you bought
something (valid), and that you haven't been abusing it
(seventy nine reinstalls in the last week).

The thing is, consistently, there is a difference between
the printed terms of the license, and the enforcement policy.
We can quote the crap we read on a web page all we want,
but, there are still humans in the process, and they can
do anything they want (until their supervisor catches up
with them).

Paul

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Paul:
At some point, you must have been prompted to enter a key.
Did you actually enter

HYF8J-CVRMY-CM74G-RPHKF-PW487

by hand ? Or for some reason, did the install you were doing,
completely bypass key entry ?

No, never, not ever at any time.]

I entered the same key that I have been entering for five-or-so years
since I bought this copy of Win 7.

Dunno where the HYF8J... came from and the install did ask me for a key
and I did enter the one I have been using all this time, *NOT* HYF8J...


OK, now if I was playing around at home here, if
I type in some random key, it will reject it right
away. So your key (apparently) passed the key
formulation check, and allowed the install to
proceed.

Then it must have been when the activation attempt
happened, the OS removed your key and put that
"non-key" in its place ? You would think it would
leave your crappy key there, so you could discuss
it with the phone-guy.

I've never heard of that before.

I could find one reference to not installing a key,
and the key ends up with that value above. What's funny
is, Googling really doesn't reveal a lot of cases
like this. You would think a gazillion people cheated
by mom&pop computer stores, would be leaving a steady
stream of these cases behind them.

So I guess it's possible for the OS to end up that
way, via a key that uses the right letters and
numbers and passes a structural check, but then
the key is outright rejected when actual activation
is attempted.

I wonder why the OS chooses to "lay low" and wait
for the grace period to end. And leave all of this
a mystery. I know they want to prevent people from
"vetting" keys from key generators, and maybe that's
why it is done this way ?

Paul

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Paul:
At some point, you must have been prompted to enter a key.
Did you actually enter

HYF8J-CVRMY-CM74G-RPHKF-PW487

by hand ? Or for some reason, did the install you were doing,
completely bypass key entry ?

No, never, not ever at any time.]

I entered the same key that I have been entering for five-or-so years
since I bought this copy of Win 7.

Dunno where the HYF8J... came from and the install did ask me for a key
and I did enter the one I have been using all this time, *NOT* HYF8J...


Did you Google a portion of your bought key, to see
if it's a well known one ?

Maybe your purchased key has a "story" and a "history".

Paul