Windows 7 Saying "Windows is not genuine" ?

On 23-Jun-17 2:04 AM, Good Guy wrote:
Once a thief always a thief.

Once a 'BlackHat' always a 'BlackHat'?

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Sometimes man stumbles over the truth. (W.Churchill)

Per Paul:
I'm wondering if something got lost in the translation
here. Because I've received no positive feedback from
you, as to where (physically) you retrieved a key for
doing this install. Was it on a COA sticker ?
Written on the sleeve of your shirt ?
Or what ?

Normally the "too bad, so sad" sequence would be

1) User enters AAAAA-BBBBB-CCCCC-DDDDD-EEEEE (which happens
to be blacklisted for some reason).
2) A phone number appears on the screen.
3) User calls.
4) Support person asks questions, and provides feedback.
"Too bad, so sad."

I'm not seeing any evidence a "regular" key was
even offered to anyone. To the computer. Or to
the phone-support person. If you'd entered the

AAAAA-BBBBB-CCCCC-DDDDD-EEEEE

key, I should be seeing that in the MGADiag ?

Dunno what COA is, but what I used was the key value from the box that
the Windows 7 CD came in - transcribed/written onto the actual disk with
a sharpie..... The obvious possibility is transcription error, but I
think the 5+ years of successful operation make that unlikely.

I got the part about the dump showing a different key - but I figured
that, since my key failed validation, it never got recorded into my
system.

Somebody else seemed to think that I was violating the license terms by
using different physical PCs. This is not the case. Same PC on each
rebuild except for the last where I had to replace a toasted mobo with
one of the same brand and *almost* the same model.... but others have
reported doing this with no problems, so I do not see it as a likely
cause.

Water over the dam for me now.... "Interesting" experience, and I
learned something - but I would think there is no way we will ever know
for sure what really happened - although the Salvage Key scenario rings
truest.

If you were in the same situation and a few bucks either way were not a
consideration, would you go for 7, 8, or 10?

I've been leery of 10 because of the forced updates and an impression
that it was vulnerable to pop-up advertisements by MS and whoever else.

I don't even know that 7 is available from trusted sources... so maybe
that leaves 8.

What think you?
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Per Paul:

Did you Google a portion of your bought key, to see
if it's a well known one ?

Maybe your purchased key has a "story" and a "history".

No hits.

Nice idea, though....
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Pete Cresswell

Per VanguardLH:
This is news to you? Do you OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer?
Microsoft is the manufacturer of their software product, not an OEMer.
You cannot buy OEM versions from Microsoft, just FPP (fully packaged
product) or VLK (volume) licenses. You as an end-user are not a
Microsoft OEM Partner or Microsoft Reseller.

What I am taking away from that is that whenever an advertisement
specifies that the version is OEM, it's probably not legit.

Or are some vendors able to purchase OEM versions from MS in bulk even
though they do not use them to manufacture PCs?
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(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Paul:
I'm wondering if something got lost in the translation
here. Because I've received no positive feedback from
you, as to where (physically) you retrieved a key for
doing this install. Was it on a COA sticker ?
Written on the sleeve of your shirt ?
Or what ?

Normally the "too bad, so sad" sequence would be

1) User enters AAAAA-BBBBB-CCCCC-DDDDD-EEEEE (which happens
to be blacklisted for some reason).
2) A phone number appears on the screen.
3) User calls.
4) Support person asks questions, and provides feedback.
"Too bad, so sad."

I'm not seeing any evidence a "regular" key was
even offered to anyone. To the computer. Or to
the phone-support person. If you'd entered the

AAAAA-BBBBB-CCCCC-DDDDD-EEEEE

key, I should be seeing that in the MGADiag ?

Dunno what COA is, but what I used was the key value from the box that
the Windows 7 CD came in - transcribed/written onto the actual disk with
a sharpie..... The obvious possibility is transcription error, but I
think the 5+ years of successful operation make that unlikely.

I got the part about the dump showing a different key - but I figured
that, since my key failed validation, it never got recorded into my
system.

Somebody else seemed to think that I was violating the license terms by
using different physical PCs. This is not the case. Same PC on each
rebuild except for the last where I had to replace a toasted mobo with
one of the same brand and *almost* the same model.... but others have
reported doing this with no problems, so I do not see it as a likely
cause.

Water over the dam for me now.... "Interesting" experience, and I
learned something - but I would think there is no way we will ever know
for sure what really happened - although the Salvage Key scenario rings
truest.

If you were in the same situation and a few bucks either way were not a
consideration, would you go for 7, 8, or 10?

I've been leery of 10 because of the forced updates and an impression
that it was vulnerable to pop-up advertisements by MS and whoever else.

I don't even know that 7 is available from trusted sources... so maybe
that leaves 8.

What think you?

I'm in Canada, and this is where I got mine.

http://www.ncix.com/detail/microsoft...n-31-45275.htm

They claim to service both Canada and US, but I don't know how
smooth they are at US sales. Canadians aren't very good at running
storefronts. (I can tell you some stories...)

You have to make sure that's the right SKU for you. There's a different
SKU for a US DVD versus a Canadian one, even though the content is
going to be very very similar. Only the SKU police at Microsoft,
care about the difference :-)

Canadian purchases, may include French Canadian versus English
keyboard setup choices. Maybe the US one includes English and
Spanish or something ? So that's a possible difference.

And on your side of the border, one of these is $150 USD.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16832416804

Mine just came in a sleeve, and there was no "concealment" as
shown in the picture on that web page. But you know Microsoft,
they could change packaging at any time. Or switch to three-point
font so you can't read the 25 characters. Exactly what the point
is, of making that part a PITA, escapes me.

If you were expecting a $50 one, a chopped up MSDN subscription
one or the like, well, that's gambling.

Paul

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 10:05:01 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

What think you?

It seems to me that you've nothing to lose either way by going down
the route I suggested earlier, quoted below.

I bought a Windows 7 Ultimate DVD which turned out to be dodgy. eBay
alerted me after the purchase was made (What good is that? Why not
before?) so by the time the DVD arrived I was expecting the worst, and
the worst duly happened, W7 would not authenticate. I complained to
eBay about the seller, to the seller him/herself, and also reported it
to MS as per the link below. The seller offered a refund, but by then
I'd reported it to MS, so I said that it was too late for that. The
upshot was that MS sent me a free legitimate replacement which I've
been using since without problem, but meanwhile the seller did refund
me anyway, even though I hadn't asked him/her to do so. So, with
rather pleasant irony, in essence I got a free copy of Windows 7
Ultimate.

I think if you negotiate the obstacle course below, you should get
some chance to tell your tale, and perhaps get a replacement. However,
if they do offer you something tangible, it might be, for some extra
cost, 10 rather than 7.

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 23:29:25 +0100, Java Jive
wrote:

You could try complaining here, they *may*, or *may not*, offer you a
free, genuine replacement copy, as they once did myself:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/howt...fr/Report.aspx
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(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per VanguardLH:
This is news to you? Do you OEM means Original Equipment Manufacturer?
Microsoft is the manufacturer of their software product, not an OEMer.
You cannot buy OEM versions from Microsoft, just FPP (fully packaged
product) or VLK (volume) licenses. You as an end-user are not a
Microsoft OEM Partner or Microsoft Reseller.

What I am taking away from that is that whenever an advertisement
specifies that the version is OEM, it's probably not legit.

Or are some vendors able to purchase OEM versions from MS in bulk even
though they do not use them to manufacture PCs?

There are at least a couple kinds of OEM. A third exists,
but is not all that noteworthy.

1) Royalty OEM. Dell or HP. $50 a copy (royalty).
SLIC or MSDM activated (BIOS tables).

2) System Builder OEM. Microsoft keeps changing the
legal definition. You can probably build your own PC
with older versions. On newer versions, it's "supposed to
be used when you build a computer for someone else".
The key is tied to the original equipment, with the
concept it stays with the motherboard. Repairing
motherboard with like motherboard (different NIC MAC)
is supposed to be possible. Changing motherboards, if original
motherboard is unavailable, is subject to negotiation.

Cheaper than "Full" or "Rerail" SKUs. OEM stays with one
PC. But "Retail" may not be available, and you might not
have the option of buying any old version you like. I don't
think there are any "accidents" as to what magically is
available in the channel, and what isn't. Another example,
is the disappearance of Anytime Upgrade kits. Nobody cached
those ? Why ? Obviously the terms of sale are enforced
somehow, like "we won't ship any more software to you, unless
you play the game our way".

3) Joy Systems ships refurbished systems, with the Dell or HP
stuff removed. There is a "refurbisher OEM" specifically for
this purpose. It would be close to (2), but cheap, like (1).
The only OS available in refurbisher format today, is Win10.
Win7 Refurbisher disappeared around November last year, and
cannot be shipped by the refurbisher factory today. However,
private sale refurbished Win7 machines are still for sale on
places like Ebay. The off-lease machines that ship today,
are typically LGA775 era.

HTH,
Paul

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 19:08:26 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:49:17 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
Depending on how strongly you feel that you already paid for your
current copy of Windows and shouldn't have to pay again, you could
simply download the Microsoft Toolkit and be fully activated in a few
seconds. The tool can be used for both good and evil.


What is the Microsoft Toolkit? A quick Google revealed zillions of
variations, none from Microsoft as far as I noticed. So perhaps my
question actually should be: which Microsoft Toolkit?

"Microsoft Toolkit developed by CODYQX4 at MDL Forums", version 2.65B5
or later. It's clearly not something provided by Microsoft. It can be
used to activate Windows Vista through 10, and Office 2010 through 2016.

Out of curiosity, I used it on a fully licensed Win 7 system back in
2009 and that system continues to report that it's activated today.

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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 18:06:00 -0400, Paul wrote:

I mean, if you wanted to get on with life, there's always
Daz Loader (where Daz is some person on MDL or similar, who
invented the technique).

Even Daz says that no one uses his loader anymore. Back around 2009
everyone moved away from loaders toward AutoKMS.

Apparently the method used is good
enough, to prevent flagging, or so I've read.

Yep, no issues for the supported versions of Windows and Office.

I never did
see feedback, on how the people that did Win10 upgrades
using a Daz Win7, eventually made out.

Same as above, no issues.

All my keys here are purchased.

Likewise, but I replaced the license on one Win 7 box with AutoKMS via
the MS Toolkit to see what would happen. Worst case, I would simply put
the original license back on, but it's coming up on 7 or 8 years now
(2009) and still no issues.

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On 23/06/2017 15:05, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Somebody else seemed to think that I was violating the license terms
by using different physical PCs. This is not the case.

This doesn't make sense because 6 months ago you were still using
Windows XP and recently you bought Windows 7 from eBay because somebody
told you that Microsoft is spying in Windows 10. Now in 6 months you
have already installed this Windows 7 on three different machines. If
this is not violating license terms than what is?




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Per Paul:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16832416804

If you were expecting a $50 one, a chopped up MSDN subscription
one or the like, well, that's gambling.

Nah.... A hundred bucks is chicken feed in the context of 5+ years of
use. I have no recollection of what I paid for my current version,
but it wasn't anything even close to as low as fifty bucks. If
somebody put a gun to my head and forced me to guess, I would guess
closer to two-hundred.

NewEgg is one of my "GoTo" suppliers - they and B&H Photo have proven
themselves on the occasional times when things have gone sideways over
the years.... It's not whether things go wrong, it's what the supplier
does when they do go wrong.
--
Pete Cresswell

Per Good Guy:
This doesn't make sense because 6 months ago you were still using
Windows XP and recently you bought Windows 7 from eBay because somebody
told you that Microsoft is spying in Windows 10. Now in 6 months you
have already installed this Windows 7 on three different machines. If
this is not violating license terms than what is?


How on *earth* did you come to that conclusion?
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On 23/06/2017 00:02, Dave Doe wrote:


Yeah, but what I meant to say, is phone them *back* - and don't accept a
no for an answer.

Any what gives you the right to bully those Indian Call Centre workers? You are also asking this thief join you to do the same. Have you all have been like this since 2001 when activation came in to force with Windows XP?

It's not going to help. Those workers have been told to put the phone down (and to report to the authorities) all thieves who shouts at them. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!







99+% or your posts in this ng are bullying, etc
Go away or start reading your own posts or just go away.
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"(PeteCresswell)"
Fri, 23 Jun 2017
14:05:01 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

Somebody else seemed to think that I was violating the license
terms by using different physical PCs. This is not the case.
Same PC on each rebuild except for the last where I had to replace
a toasted mobo with one of the same brand and *almost* the same
model.... but others have reported doing this with no problems, so
I do not see it as a likely cause.

When the mainboard dies, the key goes with it.



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Paul news Jun 2017 04:03:35 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:


Nope. Mainboard changeout counts as a 'new PC' When the mainboard
dies, the key goes with it. Hard disk, ram, video card, sure,
mainboard, most certainly not.

There is some lee-way.

To a point, yes. As with most things.

The machine I'm typing on, has a System Builder OEM, and
I changed to a different motherboard, and they still
activated it. All I had to do was explain the previous
motherboard was defective (which it was). And it was
a *design* defect, not a hardware failure. It simply
didn't work right, whenever a WinTV card was installed,
so I had to get rid of it. (The design defect, is the
VIA Southbridge hack for the PCI bus controller bug,
which changes the max burst size.) The replacement motherboard
was another LGA775 board, but with an Intel chipset instead
of a VIA chipset.

You got them on defective and a pleasant csr to deal with. Had they
not been so friendly though, you would have been told something along
the lines of "I'm sorry about your hardware issue, but, the key was
tied to that mainboard and since you no longer use that mainboard,
I'm not going to validate the key for you." - not quite to script,
but, close.

And people will tell you all sorts of outrageous stories
about badgering the phone people for a one-time activation
and getting it. So if you cook up a decent story,
you can still get it through.

Yes, you can. But, you get something else you didn't ask for and many
know nothing about; a little 'note' that travels with the key/phone
number used to call, etc, that tells the story. IE: don't attempt to
renew that key again for a good while.

The phone-support mainly wants to be convinced you bought
something (valid), and that you haven't been abusing it
(seventy nine reinstalls in the last week).



The thing is, consistently, there is a difference between
the printed terms of the license, and the enforcement policy.
We can quote the crap we read on a web page all we want,
but, there are still humans in the process, and they can
do anything they want (until their supervisor catches up
with them).


Very true. Sometimes, it's a crap shoot to be sure.

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