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Issue with new Samsung Magician
I'm using 256GB Samsung SSD 840 Pro as C disks on my Win 7 Pro SP1
64-bit machines. Samsung Magician software has been loaded on all of them. I recently updated Magician on one machine from Version 4.x.y to Version 5.0.0. The GUI interface is totally different. The most important difference, to me, is that there is no mention or control of "over-partitioning" in the GUI or any discussion in the documentation I could find. My C disk dedicated the default 10% (about 24GB) to this task. That dedication was set up while running Version 4.x.y. My question is whether I can take that 24GB and merge it with the usable part of my C disk now that I'm using Version 5.0.0? I searched for information and some opinions were that Samsung no longer believes that over-partitioning is necessary (in Win 10?) but I could find no Samsung statement to that effect nor any described method to safely reclaim that previously dedicate chunk of the SSD. Samsung phone support is mostly useless - ask the same question twice and get at least two different answers. Does anyone of you know 1) what is going on with the Samsung Magician, 2) does Version 5.0.0 still use disk for over-partitioning, or 3) if not, how to reclaim and use the now wasted space? TIA -- Jeff Barnett |
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:38:42 -0600, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Does anyone of you know 1) what is going on with the Samsung Magician, 2) does Version 5.0.0 still use disk for over-partitioning, or 3) if not, how to reclaim and use the now wasted space? V5 doesn't use over provisioning and you can see any free space previously used in storage manager. I used Paragon Hard Disk Manager to extend my partition to use the space previously reserved for over-partitioning but any other tools should be able to do it. -- Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2 and built in 5 years; UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/ |
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Issue with new Samsung Magician
Jeff Barnett wrote:
I'm using 256GB Samsung SSD 840 Pro as C disks on my Win 7 Pro SP1 64-bit machines. Samsung Magician software has been loaded on all of them. I recently updated Magician on one machine from Version 4.x.y to Version 5.0.0. The GUI interface is totally different. After installing v5, I found some functions were missing. For example, the manual TRIM was gone. The OS is supposed to send a TRIM command to the drive but there is a series of dependencies: the computer has to be idle for awhile (how long is not specified), the OS has to send the TRIM command, the driver has to support TRIM (not all do), and the drive has to support TRIM (not all old SSDs do). I'm using Windows 7 so it should issue a TRIM command to the SSD when the OS has been idle awhile; however, my computer remains busy during the day and has scheduled jobs during the night that it rarely is is idle for long. In fact, most times the screen saver won't engage (set to timeout after 30 minutes). I've found no mention on how long the OS or SSD must be idle before the OS will issue a TRIM command. It may not only be a threshold on idle but an algorithm that accounts for the number of previously written memory blocks that are no longer allocated to a file. I was running in irregular speed problems when writing to the SSD. A manual TRIM corrected that. However, v5 of Samsung Magician no longer had the manual TRIM function. Luckily I still had the download of v4.96, so I uninstalled v5 and went back to v4.96. I discard the v5 download since I won't ever bother installing it again. If you never downloaded the updates from Samsung to retain for later use, you'll have to dig out the CD that came with the SSD to install Magician from there. I only noticed the loss of manual TRIM in the v5 version of Magician (when I wanted to test if it helped the slowdown of my SSD which it did). I did not bother checking if over-provisioning settings were missing in v5. The most important difference, to me, is that there is no mention or control of "over-partitioning" in the GUI or any discussion in the documentation I could find. My C disk dedicated the default 10% (about 24GB) to this task. That dedication was set up while running Version 4.x.y. My question is whether I can take that 24GB and merge it with the usable part of my C disk now that I'm using Version 5.0.0? Over-provisioning (not over-partitioning) has nothing to do with the software. That is a requirement of the *drive* so it can perform wear levelling. http://www.seagate.com/tech-insights...its-master-ti/ TRIM (erasing the previously used memory blocks so they are reusable again) takes time. It is also not constantly issued. TRIM gets issued when the drive has been idle for awhile. That means used blocks remain unusable until sometime later when TRIM is issued and after TRIM has completed. In the meantime, you still want to write to the SSD so extra space is needed to mask the TRIMming. If space gets so cramped that you have to wait for a TRIM to get issued and completed, your SSD will get a lot slower. Over-provisioning is also part of wear-levelling. The writes go to the over-provisioned area (if there is no free space left) rather than constantly erase a previously used memory block to reuse it and do so over and over. https://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/a-...visioning.html "Over Provisioning (OP) is when a certain percentage of an SSD's free space has been allocated to help maximize the lifetime, endurance, and overall performance of the drive itself." and "SSD Safeguard - Guaranteed "swap space" acts as a safeguard to make sure the user doesn't completely fill the drive to ensure there is sufficient unused capacity available on the SSD and enough idle time to run TRIM, Garbage Collection, and more." I'd rather have the far more expensive SSD last longer. I also want the performance that the more expensive SSD was to afford me. I noticed when there was a slowdown of the SSD. I used several disk benchmark tools and found there was irregular slowdowns across the SSD. After a manual TRIM, the benchmarks all looked good and the SSD was as snappy as when new. If the 10% over-provisioning is making free space too tight on the SSD, you need a bigger SSD. Using up the over-provisioning will slow down your SSD and you'll just run into the same capacity problem a little later. After all, you've put so much on the SSD that whatever you recover will fall victim to your current file management practices, anyway. Get your data off the SSD. Move your games off the SSD: they may load faster but they have long been designed to preload data into memory, like for textures, for better game-play performance. For my 256GB SSD, over-provisioning is set to 10%. The Kingston article has a guide on the amount of over-provisioning based on the size of the SSD and whether intended for mostly reads or mostly writes. I searched for information and some opinions were that Samsung no longer believes that over-partitioning is necessary (in Win 10?) but I could find no Samsung statement to that effect nor any described method to safely reclaim that previously dedicate chunk of the SSD. Samsung phone support is mostly useless - ask the same question twice and get at least two different answers. Again, over-provisioning has nothing to do with the software. It has to do with maintaining the performance (no interrupting background TRIMs) and increasing longevity of the *drive*. Doesn't matter OS you use. Without over-provisioning, *YOU* would have to always ensure there remains x% of free space on the SSD so TRIMming was possible. There must be sufficient free space to prevent write amplification. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_amplification Leave the over-provisioning set at whatever is the current default. If you need that space, start moving data and games off the SSD. You'll get insignicant load times for data files and games are designed to preload object definitions, tables, and textures into memory (load time is unimportant versus game-play response). Get a bigger SSD or stop putting files on it that shouldn't be there. Does anyone of you know 1) what is going on with the Samsung Magician, 2) does Version 5.0.0 still use disk for over-partitioning, or 3) if not, how to reclaim and use the now wasted space? Mentioned above. Go back to version 4.96 (or whatever pre-5 version is on the CD that came with the SSD). |
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Issue with new Samsung Magician
VanguardLH wrote:
Jeff Barnett wrote: I'm using 256GB Samsung SSD 840 Pro as C disks on my Win 7 Pro SP1 64-bit machines. Samsung Magician software has been loaded on all of them. I recently updated Magician on one machine from Version 4.x.y to Version 5.0.0. The GUI interface is totally different. After installing v5, I found some functions were missing. For example, the manual TRIM was gone. The OS is supposed to send a TRIM command to the drive but there is a series of dependencies: the computer has to be idle for awhile (how long is not specified), the OS has to send the TRIM command, the driver has to support TRIM (not all do), and the drive has to support TRIM (not all old SSDs do). I'm using Windows 7 so it should issue a TRIM command to the SSD when the OS has been idle awhile; however, my computer remains busy during the day and has scheduled jobs during the night that it rarely is is idle for long. In fact, most times the screen saver won't engage (set to timeout after 30 minutes). I've found no mention on how long the OS or SSD must be idle before the OS will issue a TRIM command. It may not only be a threshold on idle but an algorithm that accounts for the number of previously written memory blocks that are no longer allocated to a file. I was running in irregular speed problems when writing to the SSD. A manual TRIM corrected that. However, v5 of Samsung Magician no longer had the manual TRIM function. Luckily I still had the download of v4.96, so I uninstalled v5 and went back to v4.96. I discard the v5 download since I won't ever bother installing it again. If you never downloaded the updates from Samsung to retain for later use, you'll have to dig out the CD that came with the SSD to install Magician from there. I only noticed the loss of manual TRIM in the v5 version of Magician (when I wanted to test if it helped the slowdown of my SSD which it did). I did not bother checking if over-provisioning settings were missing in v5. The most important difference, to me, is that there is no mention or control of "over-partitioning" in the GUI or any discussion in the documentation I could find. My C disk dedicated the default 10% (about 24GB) to this task. That dedication was set up while running Version 4.x.y. My question is whether I can take that 24GB and merge it with the usable part of my C disk now that I'm using Version 5.0.0? Over-provisioning (not over-partitioning) has nothing to do with the software. That is a requirement of the *drive* so it can perform wear levelling. http://www.seagate.com/tech-insights...its-master-ti/ TRIM (erasing the previously used memory blocks so they are reusable again) takes time. It is also not constantly issued. TRIM gets issued when the drive has been idle for awhile. That means used blocks remain unusable until sometime later when TRIM is issued and after TRIM has completed. In the meantime, you still want to write to the SSD so extra space is needed to mask the TRIMming. If space gets so cramped that you have to wait for a TRIM to get issued and completed, your SSD will get a lot slower. Over-provisioning is also part of wear-levelling. The writes go to the over-provisioned area (if there is no free space left) rather than constantly erase a previously used memory block to reuse it and do so over and over. https://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/a-...visioning.html "Over Provisioning (OP) is when a certain percentage of an SSD's free space has been allocated to help maximize the lifetime, endurance, and overall performance of the drive itself." and "SSD Safeguard - Guaranteed "swap space" acts as a safeguard to make sure the user doesn't completely fill the drive to ensure there is sufficient unused capacity available on the SSD and enough idle time to run TRIM, Garbage Collection, and more." I'd rather have the far more expensive SSD last longer. I also want the performance that the more expensive SSD was to afford me. I noticed when there was a slowdown of the SSD. I used several disk benchmark tools and found there was irregular slowdowns across the SSD. After a manual TRIM, the benchmarks all looked good and the SSD was as snappy as when new. If the 10% over-provisioning is making free space too tight on the SSD, you need a bigger SSD. Using up the over-provisioning will slow down your SSD and you'll just run into the same capacity problem a little later. After all, you've put so much on the SSD that whatever you recover will fall victim to your current file management practices, anyway. Get your data off the SSD. Move your games off the SSD: they may load faster but they have long been designed to preload data into memory, like for textures, for better game-play performance. For my 256GB SSD, over-provisioning is set to 10%. The Kingston article has a guide on the amount of over-provisioning based on the size of the SSD and whether intended for mostly reads or mostly writes. I searched for information and some opinions were that Samsung no longer believes that over-partitioning is necessary (in Win 10?) but I could find no Samsung statement to that effect nor any described method to safely reclaim that previously dedicate chunk of the SSD. Samsung phone support is mostly useless - ask the same question twice and get at least two different answers. Again, over-provisioning has nothing to do with the software. It has to do with maintaining the performance (no interrupting background TRIMs) and increasing longevity of the *drive*. Doesn't matter OS you use. Without over-provisioning, *YOU* would have to always ensure there remains x% of free space on the SSD so TRIMming was possible. There must be sufficient free space to prevent write amplification. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_amplification Leave the over-provisioning set at whatever is the current default. If you need that space, start moving data and games off the SSD. You'll get insignicant load times for data files and games are designed to preload object definitions, tables, and textures into memory (load time is unimportant versus game-play response). Get a bigger SSD or stop putting files on it that shouldn't be there. Does anyone of you know 1) what is going on with the Samsung Magician, 2) does Version 5.0.0 still use disk for over-partitioning, or 3) if not, how to reclaim and use the now wasted space? Mentioned above. Go back to version 4.96 (or whatever pre-5 version is on the CD that came with the SSD). In addition, whether for v4 or v5, Magician wants to leave itself loaded. There is no reason to do so. Samsung just wants to advertise themself in your system tray. I use the following batch file to load Magician. Upon exiting Magician, I tap a key in the command shell to make sure it gets killed. There is no graceful exit/unload option in Magician. --- Batch file --- @echo off cls echo Loading Samsung Magician ... start "Samsung Magician" "C:\Program Files (x86)\Samsung\Samsung Magician\Samsung Magician.exe" echo. echo Samsung Magician remains loaded even after exiting its window. echo After exiting its window, hit a key to kill the program ... pause nul echo. echo Forcing exit of Samsung Magician (not needed for Rapid that runs as a service) ... taskkill.exe /im "Samsung Magician.exe" /f echo. echo -DONE- echo. |
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Issue with new Samsung Magician
Rodney Pont wrote on 6/25/2017 1:59 PM:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:38:42 -0600, Jeff Barnett wrote: Does anyone of you know 1) what is going on with the Samsung Magician, 2) does Version 5.0.0 still use disk for over-partitioning, or 3) if not, how to reclaim and use the now wasted space? V5 doesn't use over provisioning and you can see any free space previously used in storage manager. I used Paragon Hard Disk Manager to extend my partition to use the space previously reserved for over-partitioning but any other tools should be able to do it. Thanks for the info. Any reason you didn't just use the Windows "Disk Management" interface to reclaim the space? -- Jeff Barnett |
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Issue with new Samsung Magician
VanguardLH wrote on 6/25/2017 2:19 PM:
VanguardLH wrote: Jeff Barnett wrote: I'm using 256GB Samsung SSD 840 Pro as C disks on my Win 7 Pro SP1 64-bit machines. Samsung Magician software has been loaded on all of them. I recently updated Magician on one machine from Version 4.x.y to Version 5.0.0. The GUI interface is totally different. After installing v5, I found some functions were missing. For example, the manual TRIM was gone. The OS is supposed to send a TRIM command to the drive but there is a series of dependencies: the computer has to be idle for awhile (how long is not specified), the OS has to send the TRIM command, the driver has to support TRIM (not all do), and the drive has to support TRIM (not all old SSDs do). I'm using Windows 7 so it should issue a TRIM command to the SSD when the OS has been idle awhile; however, my computer remains busy during the day and has scheduled jobs during the night that it rarely is is idle for long. In fact, most times the screen saver won't engage (set to timeout after 30 minutes). I've found no mention on how long the OS or SSD must be idle before the OS will issue a TRIM command. It may not only be a threshold on idle but an algorithm that accounts for the number of previously written memory blocks that are no longer allocated to a file. I was running in irregular speed problems when writing to the SSD. A manual TRIM corrected that. However, v5 of Samsung Magician no longer had the manual TRIM function. Luckily I still had the download of v4.96, so I uninstalled v5 and went back to v4.96. I discard the v5 download since I won't ever bother installing it again. If you never downloaded the updates from Samsung to retain for later use, you'll have to dig out the CD that came with the SSD to install Magician from there. I only noticed the loss of manual TRIM in the v5 version of Magician (when I wanted to test if it helped the slowdown of my SSD which it did). I did not bother checking if over-provisioning settings were missing in v5. The most important difference, to me, is that there is no mention or control of "over-partitioning" in the GUI or any discussion in the documentation I could find. My C disk dedicated the default 10% (about 24GB) to this task. That dedication was set up while running Version 4.x.y. My question is whether I can take that 24GB and merge it with the usable part of my C disk now that I'm using Version 5.0.0? Over-provisioning (not over-partitioning) has nothing to do with the software. That is a requirement of the *drive* so it can perform wear levelling. http://www.seagate.com/tech-insights...its-master-ti/ TRIM (erasing the previously used memory blocks so they are reusable again) takes time. It is also not constantly issued. TRIM gets issued when the drive has been idle for awhile. That means used blocks remain unusable until sometime later when TRIM is issued and after TRIM has completed. In the meantime, you still want to write to the SSD so extra space is needed to mask the TRIMming. If space gets so cramped that you have to wait for a TRIM to get issued and completed, your SSD will get a lot slower. Over-provisioning is also part of wear-levelling. The writes go to the over-provisioned area (if there is no free space left) rather than constantly erase a previously used memory block to reuse it and do so over and over. https://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/a-...visioning.html "Over Provisioning (OP) is when a certain percentage of an SSD's free space has been allocated to help maximize the lifetime, endurance, and overall performance of the drive itself." and "SSD Safeguard - Guaranteed "swap space" acts as a safeguard to make sure the user doesn't completely fill the drive to ensure there is sufficient unused capacity available on the SSD and enough idle time to run TRIM, Garbage Collection, and more." I'd rather have the far more expensive SSD last longer. I also want the performance that the more expensive SSD was to afford me. I noticed when there was a slowdown of the SSD. I used several disk benchmark tools and found there was irregular slowdowns across the SSD. After a manual TRIM, the benchmarks all looked good and the SSD was as snappy as when new. If the 10% over-provisioning is making free space too tight on the SSD, you need a bigger SSD. Using up the over-provisioning will slow down your SSD and you'll just run into the same capacity problem a little later. After all, you've put so much on the SSD that whatever you recover will fall victim to your current file management practices, anyway. Get your data off the SSD. Move your games off the SSD: they may load faster but they have long been designed to preload data into memory, like for textures, for better game-play performance. For my 256GB SSD, over-provisioning is set to 10%. The Kingston article has a guide on the amount of over-provisioning based on the size of the SSD and whether intended for mostly reads or mostly writes. I searched for information and some opinions were that Samsung no longer believes that over-partitioning is necessary (in Win 10?) but I could find no Samsung statement to that effect nor any described method to safely reclaim that previously dedicate chunk of the SSD. Samsung phone support is mostly useless - ask the same question twice and get at least two different answers. Again, over-provisioning has nothing to do with the software. It has to do with maintaining the performance (no interrupting background TRIMs) and increasing longevity of the *drive*. Doesn't matter OS you use. Without over-provisioning, *YOU* would have to always ensure there remains x% of free space on the SSD so TRIMming was possible. There must be sufficient free space to prevent write amplification. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write_amplification Leave the over-provisioning set at whatever is the current default. If you need that space, start moving data and games off the SSD. You'll get insignicant load times for data files and games are designed to preload object definitions, tables, and textures into memory (load time is unimportant versus game-play response). Get a bigger SSD or stop putting files on it that shouldn't be there. Does anyone of you know 1) what is going on with the Samsung Magician, 2) does Version 5.0.0 still use disk for over-partitioning, or 3) if not, how to reclaim and use the now wasted space? Mentioned above. Go back to version 4.96 (or whatever pre-5 version is on the CD that came with the SSD). In addition, whether for v4 or v5, Magician wants to leave itself loaded. There is no reason to do so. Samsung just wants to advertise themself in your system tray. I use the following batch file to load Magician. Upon exiting Magician, I tap a key in the command shell to make sure it gets killed. There is no graceful exit/unload option in Magician. --- Batch file --- @echo off cls echo Loading Samsung Magician ... start "Samsung Magician" "C:\Program Files (x86)\Samsung\Samsung Magician\Samsung Magician.exe" echo. echo Samsung Magician remains loaded even after exiting its window. echo After exiting its window, hit a key to kill the program ... pause nul echo. echo Forcing exit of Samsung Magician (not needed for Rapid that runs as a service) ... taskkill.exe /im "Samsung Magician.exe" /f echo. echo -DONE- echo. There is a lot of information in your two replies. I however am having difficulty deciding what I should do based on that information. You say that over-provisioning is not a software thing but given that Magician and Win OS have to cooperate in the allocation renders that statement somewhat moot. The Version 4 Magician, in fact, had controls of that feature but 5 doesn't. Is your recommendation, with Version 5, to leave the unallocated space as is? I'm not sure what you are talking about with "manual" trim. With the prior Magician, I was simply told that trim was on; I was given no options to control that feature. -- Jeff Barnett |
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:42:03 -0600, Jeff Barnett wrote:
snip Vangguard's v. useful info. There is a lot of information in your two replies. I however am having difficulty deciding what I should do based on that information. You say that over-provisioning is not a software thing but given that Magician and Win OS have to cooperate in the allocation renders that statement somewhat moot. The Version 4 Magician, in fact, had controls of that feature but 5 doesn't. Is your recommendation, with Version 5, to leave the unallocated space as is? An SSD certainly needs unallocated space - I might have overdone it a tad as I've a Samsung 512GB 850 Pro and it has 194GB for that! There's still more room than I'll need for the forseeable future. I'm not sure what you are talking about with "manual" trim. With the prior Magician, I was simply told that trim was on; I was given no options to control that feature. When I cloned the HGST HDD to the SSD (using Macrium Reflect Free - and it booted and worked perfectly) there was an option to enable TRIM. The version of Magician (4.something) that was on the CD worked well, but I foolishly updated to 5.1. That had far less functionality and wanted to get out to t'net; it also said that it didn't support my drive, although it's supposed to. I didn't see any option for TRIM in v5, but it was such a nuisance that I uninstalled it. Being on W7 Pro, SP1, I'm not confident in the OS handling things. BTW, I saw an article recently that claimed V4 to have some sort of vulnarability - another reason to keep it in-house, and shut down most of the time. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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Issue with new Samsung Magician
Jeff Barnett wrote:
You say that over-provisioning is not a software thing but given that Magician and Win OS have to cooperate in the allocation renders that statement somewhat moot. The Version 4 Magician, in fact, had controls of that feature but 5 doesn't. Is your recommendation, with Version 5, to leave the unallocated space as is? The software doesn't say where on the SSD the data will be written. Allocation units (clusters) are a property of the file system. The drive decides where will be those AUs. Wear-levelling means the AUs can change to which memory blocks in the drive they belong. The file system and OS will never know which physcial memory blocks are used for a particular AU. There is the logical layout that the OS knows and there is the physical layout that the drive knows. That an AU is mapped to a particular LBA sector address does NOT equate to which memory block the AU is currently using in the physical media. Over-provisioning has the *drive* perform new writes into the over-provision area if there is insufficient free space in the non-provisioned area. Without over-provisioning, and when free space is small or neglible, the OS would have to keep issuing TRIM commands on every write so previously written blocks get erased and become eligible for reuse. Writing to SSDs requires erase before write. Erasing takes time and interrupts the write. My recommendation is you go back to version 4.96 of Samsung Magician. Not only does the old version have a manual TRIM function (called Performance Optimization) but also has the Over-Provisioning setting. You might achieve more capacity by removing the over-provisioned area but at the sacrifice of speed and endurance. I'm not sure what you are talking about with "manual" trim. With the prior Magician, I was simply told that trim was on; I was given no options to control that feature. For TRIM to work: - The OS must support TRIM to SSDs (which also means the drives must recognized as SSDs). Windows XP, and prior, do not support TRIM. - There must be sufficient idle time during which the OS can issue the TRIM command as a background operation. This prevents impacting the responsiveness of the device. Erasing interrupts writing. - The driver (to interface between OS and hardware) must support TRIM. Some old drivers do not. - The drive controller must support a sufficient subset of the SATA protocol to include support of TRIM. Some old SATA controllers don't. - The SSD must support TRIM. Some ancient ones did not. Only if ALL those conditions are met is TRIM available. Only takes one condition to fail for TRIM to fail. Running "fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify" in a command shell to see if the value is 1 (TRIM enabled) or 0 (TRIM disabled) only tells you if the first requirement above is satisfied (that the OS supports TRIM). The rest you won't know until you notice or benchmark your SSD when new and later when perceived to be slow to know TRIM isn't working. |
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 14:29:12 -0600, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Does anyone of you know 1) what is going on with the Samsung Magician, 2) does Version 5.0.0 still use disk for over-partitioning, or 3) if not, how to reclaim and use the now wasted space? V5 doesn't use over provisioning and you can see any free space previously used in storage manager. I used Paragon Hard Disk Manager to extend my partition to use the space previously reserved for over-partitioning but any other tools should be able to do it. Thanks for the info. Any reason you didn't just use the Windows "Disk Management" interface to reclaim the space? Familiarity with Paragon and a recovery partition between the C drive and the free space so the recovery partition had to be moved up. -- Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2 and built in 5 years; UKUltraspeed http://www.500kmh.com/ |
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VanguardLH wrote on 6/25/2017 3:32 PM:
My recommendation is you go back to version 4.96 of Samsung Magician. Not only does the old version have a manual TRIM function (called Performance Optimization) but also has the Over-Provisioning setting. I tried to find a place to download Magician 4.9.6 and ran into difficulties: Samsung had a pointer to download it that didn't work and I tried another place that fired off my AV and Malware software, etc. Do you happen to know a safe place to download 4.9.6 or any other late minor version of version 4? -- Jeff Barnett |
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Issue with new Samsung Magician
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 22:08:51 -0600, Jeff Barnett wrote:
VanguardLH wrote on 6/25/2017 3:32 PM: My recommendation is you go back to version 4.96 of Samsung Magician. Not only does the old version have a manual TRIM function (called Performance Optimization) but also has the Over-Provisioning setting. I tried to find a place to download Magician 4.9.6 and ran into difficulties: Samsung had a pointer to download it that didn't work and I tried another place that fired off my AV and Malware software, etc. Do you happen to know a safe place to download 4.9.6 or any other late minor version of version 4? I was about to ask the same question - the number of hits is very low and most range from irrelevant to (looking) dangerous. I've just run "fsutil..." and it returns "0", so the foray with v5.1 has borked something - is there any way in W7 to change this without Magician? On my CD it's v4.5.1. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:32:34 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Running "fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify" in a command shell to see if the value is 1 (TRIM enabled) or 0 (TRIM disabled) only tells you if the first requirement above is satisfied (that the OS supports TRIM). The rest you won't know until you notice or benchmark your SSD when new and later when perceived to be slow to know TRIM isn't working. Yipes! Ran SM v4.5.1 to set it for Max. Reliability (then changed some power settings a bit), re-checked TRIM and still got 0. Did a search and found that 0 indicates that TRIM is enabled (5 sites - 1 site said the opposite!). Bloody Magician is a PITA. It tells me that it can't continue, probably because it's looking for updates and it blocked by the firewall, then start automatically but nowhere can I find that and Win Patrol didn't even wimper. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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Issue with new Samsung Magician
On 06/25/2017 10:38 AM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
I'm using 256GB Samsung SSD 840 Pro as C disks on my Win 7 Pro SP1 64-bit machines. Samsung Magician software has been loaded on all of them. I recently updated Magician on one machine from Version 4.x.y to Version 5.0.0. The GUI interface is totally different. The most important difference, to me, is that there is no mention or control of "over-partitioning" in the GUI or any discussion in the documentation I could find. My C disk dedicated the default 10% (about 24GB) to this task. That dedication was set up while running Version 4.x.y. My question is whether I can take that 24GB and merge it with the usable part of my C disk now that I'm using Version 5.0.0? I searched for information and some opinions were that Samsung no longer believes that over-partitioning is necessary (in Win 10?) but I could find no Samsung statement to that effect nor any described method to safely reclaim that previously dedicate chunk of the SSD. Samsung phone support is mostly useless - ask the same question twice and get at least two different answers. Does anyone of you know 1) what is going on with the Samsung Magician, 2) does Version 5.0.0 still use disk for over-partitioning, or 3) if not, how to reclaim and use the now wasted space? TIA Hi Jeff, Samsung's tech support is extraordinary. Here is my contact info on them: Samsung Tech Support 800-726-7864 hours of operation: m-f: 6:00 - 21:00 pst; sat: 6-18:00 pst HTH, -T |
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Issue with new Samsung Magician
Jeff Barnett wrote:
VanguardLH wrote on 6/25/2017 3:32 PM: My recommendation is you go back to version 4.96 of Samsung Magician. Not only does the old version have a manual TRIM function (called Performance Optimization) but also has the Over-Provisioning setting. I tried to find a place to download Magician 4.9.6 and ran into difficulties: Samsung had a pointer to download it that didn't work and I tried another place that fired off my AV and Malware software, etc. Do you happen to know a safe place to download 4.9.6 or any other late minor version of version 4? What about the CD that came with the SSD? That's likely where I got the old version although I also have a Downloads folder (under which there are Hardware and Software subfolders, and subfolders under each for category, and so one until down to a subfolder for the vendor or product). So I'm not sure where I found the 4.96 version of Magician but the CD should have an old version. |
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Issue with new Samsung Magician
VanguardLH wrote:
Jeff Barnett wrote: VanguardLH wrote on 6/25/2017 3:32 PM: My recommendation is you go back to version 4.96 of Samsung Magician. Not only does the old version have a manual TRIM function (called Performance Optimization) but also has the Over-Provisioning setting. I tried to find a place to download Magician 4.9.6 and ran into difficulties: Samsung had a pointer to download it that didn't work and I tried another place that fired off my AV and Malware software, etc. Do you happen to know a safe place to download 4.9.6 or any other late minor version of version 4? What about the CD that came with the SSD? That's likely where I got the old version although I also have a Downloads folder (under which there are Hardware and Software subfolders, and subfolders under each for category, and so one until down to a subfolder for the vendor or product). So I'm not sure where I found the 4.96 version of Magician but the CD should have an old version. Sometimes you can find still-active download links by finding copies of old web pages at the Web Archive (web.archive.org). I went there and entered Samsung's current download page at: http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor...oad/tools.html Alas, their Javascript does not work for the archived web page. On hovering over the download link at Samsung's download page, I was hoping a version number would be included in the URL or filename. Then I would try changing 5.1[whatever] to 4.96. Alas, Samsung does not include a version number in the URL or filename. I suppose you could contact Samsung's support to ask for a copy of their 4.96 version of Magician. I could upload the file to a public online server but would you really trust some joker from Usenet? I found a web site with the 4.97 download (4.96 was the last that I got from Samsung so I don't know if there was an office 4.97 release); however, you would have to trust some unknown web site's download. It's a French site so perhaps that Magician copy is a French language version. They're at: https://www.touslesdrivers.com/php/c...p?v_code=49390 Oooh, here's another place (it has downloads for 5.1, 5.0, and 4.96): http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/...ician-4-5.html |
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