OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted on
the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred to a
similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but when
I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get this pop-up
asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png

A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password -
it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it is a
free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need to
supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to require
me to have to supply them?

--
David B.
Devon, UK

On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted on
the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred to a
similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but when
I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get this pop-up
asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png


A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password -
it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it is a
free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need to
supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to require
me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not. You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security Settings I think.

Also there is a thunderbird news group you should use.
news.mozilla.org is the server, and this one is also open with no login
required. mozilla.support.thunderbird is the group.

Al

On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted on
the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred to a
similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get this
pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png


A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password -
it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it is
a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not.Â* You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security SettingsÂ*Â* I think.

Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png

Also there is a thunderbird news group you should use.
news.mozilla.org is the server,Â* and this one is also open with no login
required.Â*Â* mozilla.support.thunderbird is the group.

Thanks for reminding me. I did use the Mozilla server many moons ago and
had forgotten all about it! I'm *not* getting the pop-up there. sigh
I did, though, also find my old posts - from two years ago! I didn't
solve the conundrum then, either!

--
David B.
Devon, UK

On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png


A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not.Â* You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security SettingsÂ*Â* I think.

Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png

No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication. But the news server can demand authentication from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 18/03/2019 22:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png


A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not.Â* You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security SettingsÂ*Â* I think.

Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png

No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication. But the news server can demand authentication from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.

*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

Any clue, Carlos?

--
David B.
Devon, UK

David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png



A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not. You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security Settings I think.

Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png


No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication. But the news server can demand authentication from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.

*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

Any clue, Carlos?

Oh, my.

Have you considered a community college hackers course ?

They must really have your number, if it's this hard
to break in. Maybe they have geolocation software and
can see "Devon is calling".

Grab a dictionary, and work your way through the words.

aardvark:aarfvark

aardvark:12345678

aardvark:87654321

...

zebra:zebra

zebra:12345678

zebra:87654321

...

aardvark:11335577

And so on. Eventually you'll discover a working
usernameassword pair.

You've been trying to break into this server for at least
the last two years. You could have made it through the
dictionary at least once, if you had head down and
made a real effort to enter those usernames and passwords.

Now get cracking.

If you're not going to be smart about breaking in,
you might as well keep busy. It shouldn't take
more than around 4 billion years to find a working
username and password.

I can imagine the moment now.

Username: aardvark
Password: zebra

"Welcome back, aardvark"

From: DavidsBrotherMelvin
Subject: Why did you ban David

...

Sincerely,
DavidsBrotherMelvin

Paul

On 19/03/2019 00.09, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png



A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not.Â* You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security SettingsÂ*Â* I think.

Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png


No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication.Â* But the news server can demand authentication from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.

*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

Any clue, Carlos?

By requesting them from the site. Seriously. Or do you intend illegal entry?

You can, of course, try the empty login/pass pair.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
David in Devon wrote:
David in Devon wrote:

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png

That .png is Tb 'saying' that the server wants a user/pass. However, Tb
is known to say that under other 'unexpected' circumstances. That is,
historically, Tb interprets server-client problems (in general) with an
indication that there is a user/pass problem.

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png

No, not the same thing.

The cited .png just above your reply is different than the first. That
one is showing that he has left the authentication box unchecked.

That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication.

No; the earlier .png was that. The next one was his settings including
the unchecked box for authenticating.



--
Mike Easter

David in Devon, Mon, 18 Mar 2019 19:57:18 GMT

Subject: OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

The simple explanation is that the owner has banned you from the server.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password -
it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it is a
free-for-all.

It is 'protected' when you can be banned. It is no longer a
'free-for-all' for you any more (now that you are banned).

These simple facts are not difficult to grasp.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need to
supply a username and password?

Yes. I am not banned.

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to require
me to have to supply them?

Your Thunderbird's requests to the server all receive an NNTP '480'
error response from the server, because you are banned.

⎘
David in Devon, Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:09:59 GMT

*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

I expect that *you* (David in Devon) cannot. It is just their way of
banning you.

⎘
David in Devon, Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:56:56 GMT

If I connect
to the myplugbox server, albeit through Thunderbird as a news server, I
suspect that the server owner can determine much about my computer in a
similar way to what's shown at THIS link:-

https://web.archive.org/web/20160424...al/tektest.php

If that is the case, armed with such information a server owner could, I
believe, carry out all kinds of nefarious activity. Do you agree?

The owner has the absolute right to allow or disallow any guest into his
home and into his server. The principle is that "an Englishman's home is
his castle".