Windows 10 email notification

"Brian Gregory" wrote in message
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On 22/07/2015 18:12, SC Tom wrote:


"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:50:56 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for
your
device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this will
be one
large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download to my
default
download folder, or is it going to create a new folder? Inquiring
minds want
to know :-)

Whatever it is, it'll probably total around 3.5GB, like all the
evaluation versions, so I hope you have an internet connection and
download allowance that are up to this. Nobody seems to be talking
about this aspect of the upgrade to Windows 10, but there must be
millions with slow and/or limited internet services whose computers
are going to be unusable for a long time.

Rod.

This is the reason that I am going to be very reluctant to update. I
am not against updating. My computer is current to all updates of the
OS
and programs.

However, if I am in the middle of doing something on the computer I do
not want it to be interrupted while the computer takes several minutes
to download and install and upgrade, and then take an equal amount of
time to reboot and install.

Nor do I want to stop for a cup of coffee at in Mc Donald's and while
checking email, MS wants to download and install an upgrade.

I would expect that it will be possible to set routine updates to
"prompt and approve" rather than "do it without asking", just as in
previous versions of Windows, so that shouldn't be any worse than
before. The real fun will happen when millions of computers all try to
download 3.5GB for the upgrade itself all on the same day. There's
already been a taskbar prompt icon to reserve the upgrade, and who
knows how many computer owners, or their children, have already
clicked this, and presumably there will be another prompt to go ahead
on the day. How many computer owners, or their children, will
understand the implications of clicking it?

Rod.

Going by the email, it will download in the background, on its own,
without asking, but WILL ask when you want to install it.

As for MS security updates, the choices are extremely limited, according
to the version of Win10 you're getting. The basic version will update,
install, and reboot without asking (from what I've read), and the Pro
version will at least let you schedule a time for rebooting, but will
still install without needing your approval. After all, you're just a
user; what do YOU know?

What makes you think that the feature where the reboot to finish updating
is scheduled for the middle of the night won't be present on the Home
version?

The Home version is the basic version; there's nothing lower. I would expect
it'll reboot when it wants to, not when you or I want it to.
--
SC Tom

On 24/07/2015 00:20, SC Tom wrote:


"Brian Gregory" wrote in message
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On 22/07/2015 18:12, SC Tom wrote:


"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:50:56 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for
your
device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this will
be one
large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download to my
default
download folder, or is it going to create a new folder? Inquiring
minds want
to know :-)

Whatever it is, it'll probably total around 3.5GB, like all the
evaluation versions, so I hope you have an internet connection and
download allowance that are up to this. Nobody seems to be talking
about this aspect of the upgrade to Windows 10, but there must be
millions with slow and/or limited internet services whose computers
are going to be unusable for a long time.

Rod.

This is the reason that I am going to be very reluctant to update. I
am not against updating. My computer is current to all updates of
the OS
and programs.

However, if I am in the middle of doing something on the computer I do
not want it to be interrupted while the computer takes several minutes
to download and install and upgrade, and then take an equal amount of
time to reboot and install.

Nor do I want to stop for a cup of coffee at in Mc Donald's and while
checking email, MS wants to download and install an upgrade.

I would expect that it will be possible to set routine updates to
"prompt and approve" rather than "do it without asking", just as in
previous versions of Windows, so that shouldn't be any worse than
before. The real fun will happen when millions of computers all try to
download 3.5GB for the upgrade itself all on the same day. There's
already been a taskbar prompt icon to reserve the upgrade, and who
knows how many computer owners, or their children, have already
clicked this, and presumably there will be another prompt to go ahead
on the day. How many computer owners, or their children, will
understand the implications of clicking it?

Rod.

Going by the email, it will download in the background, on its own,
without asking, but WILL ask when you want to install it.

As for MS security updates, the choices are extremely limited, according
to the version of Win10 you're getting. The basic version will update,
install, and reboot without asking (from what I've read), and the Pro
version will at least let you schedule a time for rebooting, but will
still install without needing your approval. After all, you're just a
user; what do YOU know?

What makes you think that the feature where the reboot to finish
updating is scheduled for the middle of the night won't be present on
the Home version?

The Home version is the basic version; there's nothing lower. I would
expect it'll reboot when it wants to, not when you or I want it to.

So basically it's just a feeling in your elbows, or whatever, that leads
you to think this?

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

"Brian Gregory" wrote in message
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On 24/07/2015 00:20, SC Tom wrote:


"Brian Gregory" wrote in message
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On 22/07/2015 18:12, SC Tom wrote:


"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:50:56 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for
your
device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this will
be one
large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download to my
default
download folder, or is it going to create a new folder? Inquiring
minds want
to know :-)

Whatever it is, it'll probably total around 3.5GB, like all the
evaluation versions, so I hope you have an internet connection and
download allowance that are up to this. Nobody seems to be talking
about this aspect of the upgrade to Windows 10, but there must be
millions with slow and/or limited internet services whose computers
are going to be unusable for a long time.

Rod.

This is the reason that I am going to be very reluctant to update.
I
am not against updating. My computer is current to all updates of
the OS
and programs.

However, if I am in the middle of doing something on the computer I
do
not want it to be interrupted while the computer takes several
minutes
to download and install and upgrade, and then take an equal amount of
time to reboot and install.

Nor do I want to stop for a cup of coffee at in Mc Donald's and while
checking email, MS wants to download and install an upgrade.

I would expect that it will be possible to set routine updates to
"prompt and approve" rather than "do it without asking", just as in
previous versions of Windows, so that shouldn't be any worse than
before. The real fun will happen when millions of computers all try to
download 3.5GB for the upgrade itself all on the same day. There's
already been a taskbar prompt icon to reserve the upgrade, and who
knows how many computer owners, or their children, have already
clicked this, and presumably there will be another prompt to go ahead
on the day. How many computer owners, or their children, will
understand the implications of clicking it?

Rod.

Going by the email, it will download in the background, on its own,
without asking, but WILL ask when you want to install it.

As for MS security updates, the choices are extremely limited,
according
to the version of Win10 you're getting. The basic version will update,
install, and reboot without asking (from what I've read), and the Pro
version will at least let you schedule a time for rebooting, but will
still install without needing your approval. After all, you're just a
user; what do YOU know?

What makes you think that the feature where the reboot to finish
updating is scheduled for the middle of the night won't be present on
the Home version?

The Home version is the basic version; there's nothing lower. I would
expect it'll reboot when it wants to, not when you or I want it to.

So basically it's just a feeling in your elbows, or whatever, that leads
you to think this?


It's just what I've read in this and other groups. Since the full versions
haven't been released, I can only go on what others have posted about what
THEY'VE read, and so on down the line. I have the preview version of
Win10Pro x64 (Build 10240), so I can tell for sure what the options are in
it, but will they be the same in the RTM version? Who knows?
--
SC Tom

Paul wrote:
SC Tom wrote:
Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for
your device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this
will be one large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download
to my default download folder, or is it going to create a new folder?
Inquiring minds want to know :-)

I'll probably try it out on my Win10 laptop drive first, just to see
how it goes. Then I can decide if I want to upgrade my Win8.1 and Win7
machines.

Download in the background, implies a BITS download.
It probably ends up in SoftwareDistribution somewhere.

And one cool aspect of the update, is Microsoft likes to update
the drivers before doing the OS installation. Which kinda seems
out of order. I can't really tell if I have the right video
driver or not, because I refused mine so that the stupid machine
would get on with the update.

Microsoft is supposed to have a new capability in Windows 10.
The "dosrv" service was supposed to allow a local machine to
check with other local machines, before downloading W10 Windows
Update stuff. So I presume it checks SoftwareDistribution
or it checks where ever those downloads end up, for the files.
This is supposed to reduce the number of downloads in
a "Family Pack" type household (i.e. several machines
that need upgrade). We'll see if this is working or not.
The first Preview Build with that feature, went nuts on a
few machines (creating gigabytes of files, and hundreds of
thousands of close-to-empty files0.

I suppose this cannot work on a Windows 7 or Windows 8.1
freebie upgrade machine, because the old OSes are running,
and BITS is under control of the old update logic. Only
one of those "greasing the rails" type updates, received
in advance, could change that behavior for the better.

When the update installs, it will likely leave
stuff in C:\$WINDOWS.~BT for you. I tried to make
an ISO from what I got (install.esd in there), but it
didn't work.

Anyway, you can determine some of what is going on, by
running Process Monitor while the download happens, and
you'll be able to see what BITSxxxx file it is using
for the download.

And on the second and subsequent machines, you might get
lucky and test this new "dosvr" thing they had cookin.
That's if they manage to get it running on the old
OSes, before the upgrade installs.

Paul

This sounds like trouble to me. Hope they check things like the free
space on the HDD of the machine being downloaded to and the amount of
available bandwidth on the internet connection. What happens to folks
on dial up connection? Or folks who have a limited amount of bandwidth
available per billing cycle before they get extra charges for using
extra bandwidth?

As an example, I have a friend who uses clear wireless cellular internet
and manages to stream netflix over this connection. It's not super fast
internet connection to begin with and it noticably slows down when she
streams a movie or show from netflix. If she is doing this and MS tried
to pump win10 down the connection I could see complications.

I know others who use their cell phone tethering as their internet
connection, which means if they surpass a few GBs in bandwidth, they get
charged extra fees. If they pump win 10 down this connection, could be
problems.

On 7/30/15 11:23 AM, misanthrope wrote:
Paul wrote:
SC Tom wrote:
Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for
your device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this
will be one large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download
to my default download folder, or is it going to create a new folder?
Inquiring minds want to know :-)

I'll probably try it out on my Win10 laptop drive first, just to see
how it goes. Then I can decide if I want to upgrade my Win8.1 and
Win7 machines.

Download in the background, implies a BITS download.
It probably ends up in SoftwareDistribution somewhere.

And one cool aspect of the update, is Microsoft likes to update
the drivers before doing the OS installation. Which kinda seems
out of order. I can't really tell if I have the right video
driver or not, because I refused mine so that the stupid machine
would get on with the update.

Microsoft is supposed to have a new capability in Windows 10.
The "dosrv" service was supposed to allow a local machine to
check with other local machines, before downloading W10 Windows
Update stuff. So I presume it checks SoftwareDistribution
or it checks where ever those downloads end up, for the files.
This is supposed to reduce the number of downloads in
a "Family Pack" type household (i.e. several machines
that need upgrade). We'll see if this is working or not.
The first Preview Build with that feature, went nuts on a
few machines (creating gigabytes of files, and hundreds of
thousands of close-to-empty files0.

I suppose this cannot work on a Windows 7 or Windows 8.1
freebie upgrade machine, because the old OSes are running,
and BITS is under control of the old update logic. Only
one of those "greasing the rails" type updates, received
in advance, could change that behavior for the better.

When the update installs, it will likely leave
stuff in C:\$WINDOWS.~BT for you. I tried to make
an ISO from what I got (install.esd in there), but it
didn't work.

Anyway, you can determine some of what is going on, by
running Process Monitor while the download happens, and
you'll be able to see what BITSxxxx file it is using
for the download.

And on the second and subsequent machines, you might get
lucky and test this new "dosvr" thing they had cookin.
That's if they manage to get it running on the old
OSes, before the upgrade installs.

Paul

This sounds like trouble to me. Hope they check things like the free
space on the HDD of the machine being downloaded to and the amount of
available bandwidth on the internet connection. What happens to folks
on dial up connection? Or folks who have a limited amount of bandwidth
available per billing cycle before they get extra charges for using
extra bandwidth?

As an example, I have a friend who uses clear wireless cellular internet
and manages to stream netflix over this connection. It's not super fast
internet connection to begin with and it noticably slows down when she
streams a movie or show from netflix. If she is doing this and MS tried
to pump win10 down the connection I could see complications.

I know others who use their cell phone tethering as their internet
connection, which means if they surpass a few GBs in bandwidth, they get
charged extra fees. If they pump win 10 down this connection, could be
problems.

I used the page link for the media creation tool yesterday on my Win7
desktop to get a copy for another machine (laptop 8.1) Starting at 1 p.m
the download creeped along at 37.kb per second until midnight then it
zoomed up to 550kb per sec. Between midnight and 1.00 a.m 1.5Gb
downloaded. I thought it was finished.
NOT so....then there is a 'checking' the files which went on for another
hour.
So it was a 12 hour session....meanwhile the downloading box says ' Feel
Free to Use the Computer while this download proceeds'
I'm connected via a wireless tower advertised at 5Gb but in reality it
is within 3 and occasionally 4 at less than peak times grin.
I'm not going through this download/install process for the Win7. I'll
get a faster download place/hire a shop to download the Win7 iso to be
installed later this fall. There are fiberoptic services locally but not
in the rural areas.

misanthrope wrote:


This sounds like trouble to me. Hope they check things like the free
space on the HDD of the machine being downloaded to and the amount of
available bandwidth on the internet connection. What happens to folks
on dial up connection? Or folks who have a limited amount of bandwidth
available per billing cycle before they get extra charges for using
extra bandwidth?

As an example, I have a friend who uses clear wireless cellular internet
and manages to stream netflix over this connection. It's not super fast
internet connection to begin with and it noticably slows down when she
streams a movie or show from netflix. If she is doing this and MS tried
to pump win10 down the connection I could see complications.

I know others who use their cell phone tethering as their internet
connection, which means if they surpass a few GBs in bandwidth, they get
charged extra fees. If they pump win 10 down this connection, could be
problems.

Windows 8 has Metered Internet Connection designation.
Windows 10 probably has the same thing.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...sked-questions

I don't know about Win7 though. It can prioritize networks.
But I don't think it has Metered Internet, to help the
computer maintenance systems to distinguish between
"expensive" and "cheap" network connections.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...ndows-7-a.html

Paul