Windows 10 email notification

Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for your
device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this will be one
large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download to my default
download folder, or is it going to create a new folder? Inquiring minds want
to know :-)

I'll probably try it out on my Win10 laptop drive first, just to see how it
goes. Then I can decide if I want to upgrade my Win8.1 and Win7 machines.
--
SC Tom

SC Tom wrote:
Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for your
device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this will be
one large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download to my
default download folder, or is it going to create a new folder?
Inquiring minds want to know :-)

I'll probably try it out on my Win10 laptop drive first, just to see how
it goes. Then I can decide if I want to upgrade my Win8.1 and Win7
machines.

Download in the background, implies a BITS download.
It probably ends up in SoftwareDistribution somewhere.

And one cool aspect of the update, is Microsoft likes to update
the drivers before doing the OS installation. Which kinda seems
out of order. I can't really tell if I have the right video
driver or not, because I refused mine so that the stupid machine
would get on with the update.

Microsoft is supposed to have a new capability in Windows 10.
The "dosrv" service was supposed to allow a local machine to
check with other local machines, before downloading W10 Windows
Update stuff. So I presume it checks SoftwareDistribution
or it checks where ever those downloads end up, for the files.
This is supposed to reduce the number of downloads in
a "Family Pack" type household (i.e. several machines
that need upgrade). We'll see if this is working or not.
The first Preview Build with that feature, went nuts on a
few machines (creating gigabytes of files, and hundreds of
thousands of close-to-empty files0.

I suppose this cannot work on a Windows 7 or Windows 8.1
freebie upgrade machine, because the old OSes are running,
and BITS is under control of the old update logic. Only
one of those "greasing the rails" type updates, received
in advance, could change that behavior for the better.

When the update installs, it will likely leave
stuff in C:\$WINDOWS.~BT for you. I tried to make
an ISO from what I got (install.esd in there), but it
didn't work.

Anyway, you can determine some of what is going on, by
running Process Monitor while the download happens, and
you'll be able to see what BITSxxxx file it is using
for the download.

And on the second and subsequent machines, you might get
lucky and test this new "dosvr" thing they had cookin.
That's if they manage to get it running on the old
OSes, before the upgrade installs.

Paul

On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:56:55 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:

Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for your
device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this will be one
large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download to my default
download folder, or is it going to create a new folder? Inquiring minds want
to know :-)

Whatever it is, it'll probably total around 3.5GB, like all the
evaluation versions, so I hope you have an internet connection and
download allowance that are up to this. Nobody seems to be talking
about this aspect of the upgrade to Windows 10, but there must be
millions with slow and/or limited internet services whose computers
are going to be unusable for a long time.

Rod.

On 7/22/2015 4:04 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 22:56:55 -0400, "SC Tom" wrote:

Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for your
device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this will be one
large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download to my default
download folder, or is it going to create a new folder? Inquiring minds want
to know :-)

Whatever it is, it'll probably total around 3.5GB, like all the
evaluation versions, so I hope you have an internet connection and
download allowance that are up to this. Nobody seems to be talking
about this aspect of the upgrade to Windows 10, but there must be
millions with slow and/or limited internet services whose computers
are going to be unusable for a long time.

Rod.

This is the reason that I am going to be very reluctant to update. I
am not against updating. My computer is current to all updates of the OS
and programs.

However, if I am in the middle of doing something on the computer I do
not want it to be interrupted while the computer takes several minutes
to download and install and upgrade, and then take an equal amount of
time to reboot and install.

Nor do I want to stop for a cup of coffee at in Mc Donald's and while
checking email, MS wants to download and install an upgrade.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:50:56 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for your
device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this will be one
large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download to my default
download folder, or is it going to create a new folder? Inquiring minds want
to know :-)

Whatever it is, it'll probably total around 3.5GB, like all the
evaluation versions, so I hope you have an internet connection and
download allowance that are up to this. Nobody seems to be talking
about this aspect of the upgrade to Windows 10, but there must be
millions with slow and/or limited internet services whose computers
are going to be unusable for a long time.

Rod.

This is the reason that I am going to be very reluctant to update. I
am not against updating. My computer is current to all updates of the OS
and programs.

However, if I am in the middle of doing something on the computer I do
not want it to be interrupted while the computer takes several minutes
to download and install and upgrade, and then take an equal amount of
time to reboot and install.

Nor do I want to stop for a cup of coffee at in Mc Donald's and while
checking email, MS wants to download and install an upgrade.

I would expect that it will be possible to set routine updates to
"prompt and approve" rather than "do it without asking", just as in
previous versions of Windows, so that shouldn't be any worse than
before. The real fun will happen when millions of computers all try to
download 3.5GB for the upgrade itself all on the same day. There's
already been a taskbar prompt icon to reserve the upgrade, and who
knows how many computer owners, or their children, have already
clicked this, and presumably there will be another prompt to go ahead
on the day. How many computer owners, or their children, will
understand the implications of clicking it?

Rod.

"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:50:56 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for your
device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this will be
one
large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download to my default
download folder, or is it going to create a new folder? Inquiring minds
want
to know :-)

Whatever it is, it'll probably total around 3.5GB, like all the
evaluation versions, so I hope you have an internet connection and
download allowance that are up to this. Nobody seems to be talking
about this aspect of the upgrade to Windows 10, but there must be
millions with slow and/or limited internet services whose computers
are going to be unusable for a long time.

Rod.

This is the reason that I am going to be very reluctant to update. I
am not against updating. My computer is current to all updates of the OS
and programs.

However, if I am in the middle of doing something on the computer I do
not want it to be interrupted while the computer takes several minutes
to download and install and upgrade, and then take an equal amount of
time to reboot and install.

Nor do I want to stop for a cup of coffee at in Mc Donald's and while
checking email, MS wants to download and install an upgrade.

I would expect that it will be possible to set routine updates to
"prompt and approve" rather than "do it without asking", just as in
previous versions of Windows, so that shouldn't be any worse than
before. The real fun will happen when millions of computers all try to
download 3.5GB for the upgrade itself all on the same day. There's
already been a taskbar prompt icon to reserve the upgrade, and who
knows how many computer owners, or their children, have already
clicked this, and presumably there will be another prompt to go ahead
on the day. How many computer owners, or their children, will
understand the implications of clicking it?

Rod.

Going by the email, it will download in the background, on its own, without
asking, but WILL ask when you want to install it.

As for MS security updates, the choices are extremely limited, according to
the version of Win10 you're getting. The basic version will update, install,
and reboot without asking (from what I've read), and the Pro version will at
least let you schedule a time for rebooting, but will still install without
needing your approval. After all, you're just a user; what do YOU know?
--
SC Tom

On 07/22/2015 03:04 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:

[snip]

Whatever it is, it'll probably total around 3.5GB, like all the
evaluation versions, so I hope you have an internet connection and
download allowance that are up to this. Nobody seems to be talking
about this aspect of the upgrade to Windows 10, but there must be
millions with slow and/or limited internet services whose computers
are going to be unusable for a long time.

Rod.


Interestingly, my internet was upgraded Friday to allow 50MB/s download.
This is too fast for DOCSIS 2, so I had to get a new modem.

Yes, I know some people still have a slower connection (sush as POTS or 3G).

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
false, and by rulers as useful." Seneca the Younger (4? B.C. - 65 A.D.)

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 07/22/2015 03:04 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:

[snip]

Whatever it is, it'll probably total around 3.5GB, like all the
evaluation versions, so I hope you have an internet connection and
download allowance that are up to this. Nobody seems to be talking
about this aspect of the upgrade to Windows 10, but there must be
millions with slow and/or limited internet services whose computers
are going to be unusable for a long time.

Rod.


Interestingly, my internet was upgraded Friday to allow 50MB/s download.
This is too fast for DOCSIS 2, so I had to get a new modem.

Yes, I know some people still have a slower connection (sush as POTS or
3G).


Dialup is definitely the worst.

It would take 150 hours to download the upgrade.

And the phone company places a limit on
call holding time, so the modem would hang
up after 24 hours of usage. Since the download
has resume capability, this is not a problem.

AFAIK, dialup doesn't have a cap. Because the
provider believes the inconvenience prevents
capacity abuse.

Whereas some faster services, like Satellite,
they have such a tiny cap, the speed and delivery
rate would be all over the place.

Read the jaw-dropping T&C here, for an example

http://www.galaxybroadband.ca/faq.html

Paul

On 07/22/2015 04:51 PM, Paul wrote:

[snip]

Interestingly, my internet was upgraded Friday to allow 50MB/s
download. This is too fast for DOCSIS 2, so I had to get a new modem.

Yes, I know some people still have a slower connection (sush as POTS
or 3G).




I guess you don't notice the mistake I made. The speed was 50Mb
(megabits) not 50MB (megabytes).

Dialup is definitely the worst.

It would take 150 hours to download the upgrade.

And the phone company places a limit on
call holding time, so the modem would hang
up after 24 hours of usage. Since the download
has resume capability, this is not a problem.

When I had dialup, it would disconnect after 4 hours, no matter how much
I used it.

AFAIK, dialup doesn't have a cap. Because the
provider believes the inconvenience prevents
capacity abuse.

Whereas some faster services, like Satellite,
they have such a tiny cap, the speed and delivery
rate would be all over the place.

One reason for not replacing my cable internet with 4G.

Also, they wouldn't tell me anything about the latency, which is often
more important than speed.

Read the jaw-dropping T&C here, for an example

http://www.galaxybroadband.ca/faq.html

Paul

I had satellite internet (Starband) once, when it was the only broadband
available here (not counting the really high-priced ones). No caps at
the time, but highly variable speed and latency (sometimes over 5000mS)
and erratic connections. Dialup was a big improvement over that.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"You didn't hear it You didn't see it..." ...how absurd it all seems
without any proof" -- from "Tommy" by 'The Who'

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 02:14:43 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 07/22/2015 04:51 PM, Paul wrote:

[snip]

Interestingly, my internet was upgraded Friday to allow 50MB/s
download. This is too fast for DOCSIS 2, so I had to get a new modem.

Yes, I know some people still have a slower connection (sush as POTS
or 3G).




I guess you don't notice the mistake I made. The speed was 50Mb
(megabits) not 50MB (megabytes).

I noticed, but I knew what you meant. My speed was recently upgraded (at no
additional charge) from 50Mbps to 300 Mbps, and it's usually hard to tell
the difference. Faster speeds help the ISP more than they help the
individual. Speed tests tell me I can achieve a consistent 220Mbps, but
during extended downloads I rarely see anything above 125-130Mbps. Still,
that's faster than my LAN was, as recently as about 10 years ago.




Dialup is definitely the worst.

It would take 150 hours to download the upgrade.

And the phone company places a limit on
call holding time, so the modem would hang
up after 24 hours of usage. Since the download
has resume capability, this is not a problem.

When I had dialup, it would disconnect after 4 hours, no matter how much
I used it.

I had true dialup from 1991-1995, if you don't count the period from 1983 to
1991 when I simply dialed into a service such as Prodigy or Genie. During
those last 4 years, I had no limit on call hang time. I had 2 lines and ran
a BBS (AmigaNet and FidoNet) and sometimes calls would last for days.

With my current ISP service bundle, it was actually cheaper to include home
phone service. So far, I've done some 12-14 hour conference calls, so if
there's a time limit I haven't found it yet.

On 2015-07-23 9:15 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 02:14:43 -0500, Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 07/22/2015 04:51 PM, Paul wrote:

[snip]

Interestingly, my internet was upgraded Friday to allow 50MB/s
download. This is too fast for DOCSIS 2, so I had to get a new modem.

Yes, I know some people still have a slower connection (sush as POTS
or 3G).




I guess you don't notice the mistake I made. The speed was 50Mb
(megabits) not 50MB (megabytes).

I noticed, but I knew what you meant. My speed was recently upgraded (at no
additional charge) from 50Mbps to 300 Mbps, and it's usually hard to tell
the difference. Faster speeds help the ISP more than they help the
individual. Speed tests tell me I can achieve a consistent 220Mbps, but
during extended downloads I rarely see anything above 125-130Mbps. Still,
that's faster than my LAN was, as recently as about 10 years ago.




Dialup is definitely the worst.

It would take 150 hours to download the upgrade.

And the phone company places a limit on
call holding time, so the modem would hang
up after 24 hours of usage. Since the download
has resume capability, this is not a problem.

When I had dialup, it would disconnect after 4 hours, no matter how much
I used it.

I had true dialup from 1991-1995, if you don't count the period from 1983 to
1991 when I simply dialed into a service such as Prodigy or Genie. During
those last 4 years, I had no limit on call hang time. I had 2 lines and ran
a BBS (AmigaNet and FidoNet) and sometimes calls would last for days.

FidoNet? I'm not sure but wasn't that BBS absolutely humongous? I
remember hearing that name during my BBSing days in the early 1990s.

snip

--
A.M

On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:19:22 -0400, "A.M" wrote:

On 2015-07-23 9:15 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

I had true dialup from 1991-1995, if you don't count the period from 1983 to
1991 when I simply dialed into a service such as Prodigy or Genie. During
those last 4 years, I had no limit on call hang time. I had 2 lines and ran
a BBS (AmigaNet and FidoNet) and sometimes calls would last for days.

FidoNet? I'm not sure but wasn't that BBS absolutely humongous? I
remember hearing that name during my BBSing days in the early 1990s.

It was a 'network' of BBS's, in that you could dial into one of them, if you
had a user account there, and send messages to anyone at any other FidoNet
BBS. There was even a simple file transfer procedure.

I would typically reserve the lines for user access for about 20 hours per
day, then do mail transfers during the remaining window, usually around 3 or
4 AM. I think FidoNet might actually still be around, although I suspect in
a somewhat diminished state by now. AmigaNet is probably defunct. BBS mail
transfers typically required making a long distance call, so it wasn't
unusual to have a monthly phone bill running to ~$400.00. I'm glad I'm done
with all of that.

On 2015-07-23 3:11 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:19:22 -0400, "A.M" wrote:

On 2015-07-23 9:15 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

I had true dialup from 1991-1995, if you don't count the period from 1983 to
1991 when I simply dialed into a service such as Prodigy or Genie. During
those last 4 years, I had no limit on call hang time. I had 2 lines and ran
a BBS (AmigaNet and FidoNet) and sometimes calls would last for days.

FidoNet? I'm not sure but wasn't that BBS absolutely humongous? I
remember hearing that name during my BBSing days in the early 1990s.

It was a 'network' of BBS's, in that you could dial into one of them, if you
had a user account there, and send messages to anyone at any other FidoNet
BBS. There was even a simple file transfer procedure.

I would typically reserve the lines for user access for about 20 hours per
day, then do mail transfers during the remaining window, usually around 3 or
4 AM. I think FidoNet might actually still be around, although I suspect in
a somewhat diminished state by now. AmigaNet is probably defunct. BBS mail
transfers typically required making a long distance call, so it wasn't
unusual to have a monthly phone bill running to ~$400.00. I'm glad I'm done
with all of that.

Well, FidoNET was great because, if I remember correctly, it was the
best place to get information about what was going on behind the scenes
in the world of professional wrestling which I adored back then.
Nowadays, people just go on a web page and everything's taken care of
but back then, if you didn't hear it from the announcers themselves, you
had no idea what was going on. It was a great little network.


--
A.M

"A.M" wrote:

FidoNet? I'm not sure but wasn't that BBS absolutely humongous? I
remember hearing that name during my BBSing days in the early
1990s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet

And, http://www.fidonet.org/


--
XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
The Usenet Improvement Project:
http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/

On 22/07/2015 18:12, SC Tom wrote:


"Roderick Stewart" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 08:50:56 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

Got the email today that after 7/29, "when Windows 10 is ready for
your
device, it will download in the background." Any idea if this will
be one
large file, or a batch of smaller ones? Does it download to my default
download folder, or is it going to create a new folder? Inquiring
minds want
to know :-)

Whatever it is, it'll probably total around 3.5GB, like all the
evaluation versions, so I hope you have an internet connection and
download allowance that are up to this. Nobody seems to be talking
about this aspect of the upgrade to Windows 10, but there must be
millions with slow and/or limited internet services whose computers
are going to be unusable for a long time.

Rod.

This is the reason that I am going to be very reluctant to update. I
am not against updating. My computer is current to all updates of the OS
and programs.

However, if I am in the middle of doing something on the computer I do
not want it to be interrupted while the computer takes several minutes
to download and install and upgrade, and then take an equal amount of
time to reboot and install.

Nor do I want to stop for a cup of coffee at in Mc Donald's and while
checking email, MS wants to download and install an upgrade.

I would expect that it will be possible to set routine updates to
"prompt and approve" rather than "do it without asking", just as in
previous versions of Windows, so that shouldn't be any worse than
before. The real fun will happen when millions of computers all try to
download 3.5GB for the upgrade itself all on the same day. There's
already been a taskbar prompt icon to reserve the upgrade, and who
knows how many computer owners, or their children, have already
clicked this, and presumably there will be another prompt to go ahead
on the day. How many computer owners, or their children, will
understand the implications of clicking it?

Rod.

Going by the email, it will download in the background, on its own,
without asking, but WILL ask when you want to install it.

As for MS security updates, the choices are extremely limited, according
to the version of Win10 you're getting. The basic version will update,
install, and reboot without asking (from what I've read), and the Pro
version will at least let you schedule a time for rebooting, but will
still install without needing your approval. After all, you're just a
user; what do YOU know?

What makes you think that the feature where the reboot to finish
updating is scheduled for the middle of the night won't be present on
the Home version?

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.