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Windows10 Mail
Hi, is there any way to show all the past emails instead of the recent
number displayed now? These present ones barely go past a week!. Where is the data for Windows10 Mail stored in File Explorer? Is there any way to change the date format in Windows10 Mail? I need ddmmmyy. Peter |
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Peter Jason wrote:
Hi, is there any way to show all the past emails instead of the recent number displayed now? These present ones barely go past a week!. Where is the data for Windows10 Mail stored in File Explorer? Is there any way to change the date format in Windows10 Mail? I need ddmmmyy. Peter https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...c-31cdc66451d0 POP3 source: C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Packages\ microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps \LocalState\Indexed\LiveComm "Mail" folder and .EML files IMAP source: Your mails are on the server, suitable for access from multiple computing devices. Usually Windows has a locale kinda control panel, with date format information. It would be "normal" to make a machine-wide change with such a panel, and then for tools on the machine to adopt the specified format. Also, you know that Apps design leaves a lot to be desired, and putting that much effort into Preferences in an App would be unheard of. https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...ats-windows-10 Settings Time & language Date & Time Change date and time formats ddMMMyy is in the picture! The article also has a Control Panels recipe using Clock,Language,Region. Now, maybe the Mail App could have a preference too, but because the Mail App insists on "you set up an account first", there's no possibility of me looking to see what options are available. And the silly Win10 OS is so slow in my VM, as to be just about useless. For example, in 1903, the option to switch off Real Time Protection no longer works, and msmpeng.exe is still doin its thing on one CPU core. There's almost no CPU left for anything else. I might as well buy a can of paint and watch paint dry. Paul |
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On 28 May 2019, Peter Jason wrote
(in ): Hi, is there any way to show all the past emails instead of the recent number displayed now? These present ones barely go past a week!. Where is the data for Windows10 Mail stored in File Explorer? Is there any way to change the date format in Windows10 Mail? I need ddmmmyy. Peter May I suggest a better client, such as Thunderbird? Or, if you have to stick with MS products, Outlook? Windows 10 Mail is in a class by itself: an email client so annoying that I have never, ever, completed a setup, it has always annoyed me enough that I installed Thunderbird or Outlook instead. Thunderbird is free. Outlook is not. |
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Wolffan wrote:
Outlook is not. Actually, it can be gotten for free. |
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On Tue, 28 May 2019 05:10:54 -0400, Paul
wrote: Peter Jason wrote: Hi, is there any way to show all the past emails instead of the recent number displayed now? These present ones barely go past a week!. Where is the data for Windows10 Mail stored in File Explorer? Is there any way to change the date format in Windows10 Mail? I need ddmmmyy. Peter https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...c-31cdc66451d0 POP3 source: C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Packages\ microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps \LocalState\Indexed\LiveComm "Mail" folder and .EML files IMAP source: Your mails are on the server, suitable for access from multiple computing devices. Usually Windows has a locale kinda control panel, with date format information. It would be "normal" to make a machine-wide change with such a panel, and then for tools on the machine to adopt the specified format. Also, you know that Apps design leaves a lot to be desired, and putting that much effort into Preferences in an App would be unheard of. https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...ats-windows-10 Settings Time & language Date & Time Change date and time formats ddMMMyy is in the picture! The article also has a Control Panels recipe using Clock,Language,Region. Now, maybe the Mail App could have a preference too, but because the Mail App insists on "you set up an account first", there's no possibility of me looking to see what options are available. And the silly Win10 OS is so slow in my VM, as to be just about useless. For example, in 1903, the option to switch off Real Time Protection no longer works, and msmpeng.exe is still doin its thing on one CPU core. There's almost no CPU left for anything else. I might as well buy a can of paint and watch paint dry. Paul Thanks, I'm looking at "Forte Agent" as an alternative, especially because it has usenet as well. |
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Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 28 May 2019 05:10:54 -0400, Paul wrote: Peter Jason wrote: Hi, is there any way to show all the past emails instead of the recent number displayed now? These present ones barely go past a week!. Where is the data for Windows10 Mail stored in File Explorer? Is there any way to change the date format in Windows10 Mail? I need ddmmmyy. Peter https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...c-31cdc66451d0 POP3 source: C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Packages\ microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps \LocalState\Indexed\LiveComm "Mail" folder and .EML files IMAP source: Your mails are on the server, suitable for access from multiple computing devices. Usually Windows has a locale kinda control panel, with date format information. It would be "normal" to make a machine-wide change with such a panel, and then for tools on the machine to adopt the specified format. Also, you know that Apps design leaves a lot to be desired, and putting that much effort into Preferences in an App would be unheard of. https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...ats-windows-10 Settings Time & language Date & Time Change date and time formats ddMMMyy is in the picture! The article also has a Control Panels recipe using Clock,Language,Region. Now, maybe the Mail App could have a preference too, but because the Mail App insists on "you set up an account first", there's no possibility of me looking to see what options are available. And the silly Win10 OS is so slow in my VM, as to be just about useless. For example, in 1903, the option to switch off Real Time Protection no longer works, and msmpeng.exe is still doin its thing on one CPU core. There's almost no CPU left for anything else. I might as well buy a can of paint and watch paint dry. Paul Thanks, I'm looking at "Forte Agent" as an alternative, especially because it has usenet as well. I've got a test setup now for testing Win10 MAIL. I set up my own POP3 server inside the 1903 Win10 VM. And MAIL isn't keeping the EML files in the folder, like the web site said. Thunderbird has controls in the account setup, where you can choose to delete the Inbox emails via POP3 when they're transferred (one time). Thus, it's important for Thunderbird in that case, to store the emails locally. Thunderbird also has the option to leave the emails on the server, and delete them after 2 weeks. But the Win10 MAIL, I can't find any option to control POP3 behavior. It's possible Microsoft is hiding the emails in a database somewhere, and using ProcMon, I hope to catch it snarfling inbox emails. They've got to be in there somewhere. This is my test setup. https://i.postimg.cc/sDg2Pmp7/mail-app-test-setup.gif And I disabled Windows Defender with GPEDIT (on Pro), and now I can actually get some CPU cycles to use :-) Paul |
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On Tue, 28 May 2019 20:59:49 -0400, Paul
wrote: Peter Jason wrote: On Tue, 28 May 2019 05:10:54 -0400, Paul wrote: Peter Jason wrote: Hi, is there any way to show all the past emails instead of the recent number displayed now? These present ones barely go past a week!. Where is the data for Windows10 Mail stored in File Explorer? Is there any way to change the date format in Windows10 Mail? I need ddmmmyy. Peter https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...c-31cdc66451d0 POP3 source: C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Packages\ microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps \LocalState\Indexed\LiveComm "Mail" folder and .EML files IMAP source: Your mails are on the server, suitable for access from multiple computing devices. Usually Windows has a locale kinda control panel, with date format information. It would be "normal" to make a machine-wide change with such a panel, and then for tools on the machine to adopt the specified format. Also, you know that Apps design leaves a lot to be desired, and putting that much effort into Preferences in an App would be unheard of. https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...ats-windows-10 Settings Time & language Date & Time Change date and time formats ddMMMyy is in the picture! The article also has a Control Panels recipe using Clock,Language,Region. Now, maybe the Mail App could have a preference too, but because the Mail App insists on "you set up an account first", there's no possibility of me looking to see what options are available. And the silly Win10 OS is so slow in my VM, as to be just about useless. For example, in 1903, the option to switch off Real Time Protection no longer works, and msmpeng.exe is still doin its thing on one CPU core. There's almost no CPU left for anything else. I might as well buy a can of paint and watch paint dry. Paul Thanks, I'm looking at "Forte Agent" as an alternative, especially because it has usenet as well. I've got a test setup now for testing Win10 MAIL. I set up my own POP3 server inside the 1903 Win10 VM. And MAIL isn't keeping the EML files in the folder, like the web site said. Thunderbird has controls in the account setup, where you can choose to delete the Inbox emails via POP3 when they're transferred (one time). Thus, it's important for Thunderbird in that case, to store the emails locally. Thunderbird also has the option to leave the emails on the server, and delete them after 2 weeks. But the Win10 MAIL, I can't find any option to control POP3 behavior. It's possible Microsoft is hiding the emails in a database somewhere, and using ProcMon, I hope to catch it snarfling inbox emails. They've got to be in there somewhere. This is my test setup. https://i.postimg.cc/sDg2Pmp7/mail-app-test-setup.gif And I disabled Windows Defender with GPEDIT (on Pro), and now I can actually get some CPU cycles to use :-) Paul I have a small clue. When I got Win10 Mail working I found it had installed the whole inbox folder structure from Outlook10.... all by itself! And it seems now I have to MANUALLY transfer all email to this structure because I can't find any way to tag & transfer across automatically. Surely this exists? |
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Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 28 May 2019 20:59:49 -0400, Paul wrote: Peter Jason wrote: On Tue, 28 May 2019 05:10:54 -0400, Paul wrote: Peter Jason wrote: Hi, is there any way to show all the past emails instead of the recent number displayed now? These present ones barely go past a week!. Where is the data for Windows10 Mail stored in File Explorer? Is there any way to change the date format in Windows10 Mail? I need ddmmmyy. Peter https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...c-31cdc66451d0 POP3 source: C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Packages\ microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps \LocalState\Indexed\LiveComm "Mail" folder and .EML files IMAP source: Your mails are on the server, suitable for access from multiple computing devices. Usually Windows has a locale kinda control panel, with date format information. It would be "normal" to make a machine-wide change with such a panel, and then for tools on the machine to adopt the specified format. Also, you know that Apps design leaves a lot to be desired, and putting that much effort into Preferences in an App would be unheard of. https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...ats-windows-10 Settings Time & language Date & Time Change date and time formats ddMMMyy is in the picture! The article also has a Control Panels recipe using Clock,Language,Region. Now, maybe the Mail App could have a preference too, but because the Mail App insists on "you set up an account first", there's no possibility of me looking to see what options are available. And the silly Win10 OS is so slow in my VM, as to be just about useless. For example, in 1903, the option to switch off Real Time Protection no longer works, and msmpeng.exe is still doin its thing on one CPU core. There's almost no CPU left for anything else. I might as well buy a can of paint and watch paint dry. Paul Thanks, I'm looking at "Forte Agent" as an alternative, especially because it has usenet as well. I've got a test setup now for testing Win10 MAIL. I set up my own POP3 server inside the 1903 Win10 VM. And MAIL isn't keeping the EML files in the folder, like the web site said. Thunderbird has controls in the account setup, where you can choose to delete the Inbox emails via POP3 when they're transferred (one time). Thus, it's important for Thunderbird in that case, to store the emails locally. Thunderbird also has the option to leave the emails on the server, and delete them after 2 weeks. But the Win10 MAIL, I can't find any option to control POP3 behavior. It's possible Microsoft is hiding the emails in a database somewhere, and using ProcMon, I hope to catch it snarfling inbox emails. They've got to be in there somewhere. This is my test setup. https://i.postimg.cc/sDg2Pmp7/mail-app-test-setup.gif And I disabled Windows Defender with GPEDIT (on Pro), and now I can actually get some CPU cycles to use :-) Paul I have a small clue. When I got Win10 Mail working I found it had installed the whole inbox folder structure from Outlook10.... all by itself! And it seems now I have to MANUALLY transfer all email to this structure because I can't find any way to tag & transfer across automatically. Surely this exists? https://support.office.com/en-us/art...4-57cdaddd5cb7 "Select Manage Accounts and select your email account. Select Change mailbox sync settings. To see older messages, under "Download email from", choose "any time". " But whether that syncs all folders, or only Inbox, I don't know. Something like IMAP is more likely to be synced than POP3 (since POP3, more of the folders are local). ******* As for the emails themselves, I think the headers might be managed via C:\users\username\Appdata\Local\Comms\UnistoreDB USS.jcp That looks like it had enough message pointers to correspond to my Inbox (4 messages). The body text seems to be stored separately. I did not test attachments, so they could be in this structure or somewhere else. C:\users\username\Appdata\Local\Comms\Unistore\dat a\3\ a\ === one or more 1KB .dat files, are actually .txt files b\ c\ ... (a new letter created for each session?) It doesn't seem there are .eml files sitting there waiting to be harvested, as the web page suggested. It's possible it's syncing the view, every time it connects, but it would need a means of remembering where it left off. It would be unscalable to have 5000 emails on the server, and check all 5000 every time it connects. Paul |
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Peter Jason wrote:
On Tue, 28 May 2019 20:59:49 -0400, Paul wrote: Peter Jason wrote: On Tue, 28 May 2019 05:10:54 -0400, Paul wrote: Peter Jason wrote: Hi, is there any way to show all the past emails instead of the recent number displayed now? These present ones barely go past a week!. Where is the data for Windows10 Mail stored in File Explorer? Is there any way to change the date format in Windows10 Mail? I need ddmmmyy. Peter https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...c-31cdc66451d0 POP3 source: C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Packages\ microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps \LocalState\Indexed\LiveComm "Mail" folder and .EML files IMAP source: Your mails are on the server, suitable for access from multiple computing devices. Usually Windows has a locale kinda control panel, with date format information. It would be "normal" to make a machine-wide change with such a panel, and then for tools on the machine to adopt the specified format. Also, you know that Apps design leaves a lot to be desired, and putting that much effort into Preferences in an App would be unheard of. https://www.windowscentral.com/how-c...ats-windows-10 Settings Time & language Date & Time Change date and time formats ddMMMyy is in the picture! The article also has a Control Panels recipe using Clock,Language,Region. Now, maybe the Mail App could have a preference too, but because the Mail App insists on "you set up an account first", there's no possibility of me looking to see what options are available. And the silly Win10 OS is so slow in my VM, as to be just about useless. For example, in 1903, the option to switch off Real Time Protection no longer works, and msmpeng.exe is still doin its thing on one CPU core. There's almost no CPU left for anything else. I might as well buy a can of paint and watch paint dry. Paul Thanks, I'm looking at "Forte Agent" as an alternative, especially because it has usenet as well. I've got a test setup now for testing Win10 MAIL. I set up my own POP3 server inside the 1903 Win10 VM. And MAIL isn't keeping the EML files in the folder, like the web site said. Thunderbird has controls in the account setup, where you can choose to delete the Inbox emails via POP3 when they're transferred (one time). Thus, it's important for Thunderbird in that case, to store the emails locally. Thunderbird also has the option to leave the emails on the server, and delete them after 2 weeks. But the Win10 MAIL, I can't find any option to control POP3 behavior. It's possible Microsoft is hiding the emails in a database somewhere, and using ProcMon, I hope to catch it snarfling inbox emails. They've got to be in there somewhere. This is my test setup. https://i.postimg.cc/sDg2Pmp7/mail-app-test-setup.gif And I disabled Windows Defender with GPEDIT (on Pro), and now I can actually get some CPU cycles to use :-) Paul I have a small clue. When I got Win10 Mail working I found it had installed the whole inbox folder structure from Outlook10.... all by itself! And it seems now I have to MANUALLY transfer all email to this structure because I can't find any way to tag & transfer across automatically. Surely this exists? The tool really should be focused on the server itself, rather than copying all the emails from the previous tool. It can copy files using the COM interface, rather than attempting to read the databases directly. The COM interface "transfers one .eml at a time". Whereas, parsing the database file directly (while the originating tool is not running!), allows copying all the files in one shot. The COM interface is cleaner, when it's available, as then it's the responsibility of the source program to do a good job. The destination program receives item in a known format and can then populate its own view. But once you switch to MAIL, the idea is probably that you stop opening Outlook, and then there's nothing new to sync. If you deleted the Outlook account in MAIL, then re-created it, it may draw over the entire file structure. But at the expense of blowing away any files you downloaded on the MAIL side, while the old account entry was there. It's probably just a bad idea, to use two programs to access the same account on the same computer. That sounds like you are asking for trouble. The big "draw" of MAIL, is the ability to consolidate your major accounts under one MAIL tool. Plus I suppose, there is some Cloud angle - maybe you can see the same MAIL view on multiple Win10 machines all using the same MSA account? In which case, the Unistore stuff would have to be stored in the Cloud instead. ******* On a forensics website, I found this description for what MAIL stores on the machine. So what I found in my testing, was the activity in 3\ and not the rest of it. In AppData\Local\Comms\Unistore\Data\3 you find the body message In AppData\Local\Comms\Unistore\Data\7 you find message's attachments In AppData\Local\Comms\UnistoreDB\store.vol you have an EDB database [Jet Blue database?] which contains the headers and link with body messages and attachments. Notice that no single item is a .eml in that info. It's all bits and pieces. Paul |
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On 5/28/19 6:59 PM, Paul wrote:
Thunderbird also has the option to leave the emails on the server, and delete them after 2 weeks. You can choose how long the email remains on the server with Thunderbird. From 1 day to XXX days. I don't know the max. Even though I've used TB and Firefox for years, I no longer recommend either program. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.5 Firefox 67.0 Thunderbird 60.7 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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