"Microsoft Announces Modern OS" by Paul Thurrott

"Microsoft Announces Modern OS" by Paul Thurrott

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...nces-modern-os

In an otherwise innocuous blog post about new PCs announce at Computex,
Microsoft talked up the need for something it calls Modern OS. And it
does not appear to be Windows 10.

“A modern operating system is required for these new, modern PCs and
innovative devices that the ecosystem will continue to build and bring
to market,� Microsoft’s Nick Parker writes after running down a list of
new PCs from Acer, ASUS, Dell, HP, Lenovo, and MSI."

"Of this Modern OS—and, yes, it’s both “Modern OS� and “a modern
OS�—Parker says it:"

"Provides a set of enablers that deliver the foundational experiences
customers expect from their devices. These enablers include “seamless
updates where updates are invisibly done in the background; the update
experience is deterministic, reliable, and instant with no
interruptions.� So he clearly not talking about Windows 10."

How many operating systems has Microsoft announced now ?

Lynn

On 05/06/2019 20:44, Lynn McGuire wrote:


How many operating systems has Microsoft announced now ?



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With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
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On 6/5/19 3:44 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
"Provides a set of enablers that deliver the foundational experiences
customers expect from their devices. These enablers include “seamless
updates where updates are invisibly done in the background; the update
experience is deterministic, reliable, and instant with no
interruptions.â€�Â*SoÂ*heÂ*clearlyÂ*notÂ*talkingÂ* aboutÂ*WindowsÂ*10."

Hey what's so Modern about updates in the background without
interruption? Linux updates all the time without rebooting or
interrupting my work.

On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 14:44:19 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Lynn
McGuire wrote:

"Microsoft Announces Modern OS" by Paul Thurrott

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...nces-modern-os

How many operating systems has Microsoft announced now ?

TL;DR - Microsoft is rebranding Win RT.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On 6/5/2019 5:19 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 14:44:19 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Lynn
McGuire wrote:

"Microsoft Announces Modern OS" by Paul Thurrott

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...nces-modern-os

How many operating systems has Microsoft announced now ?

TL;DR - Microsoft is rebranding Win RT.

Now that makes sense !

Thanks,
Lynn

"Lynn McGuire" wrote

| TL;DR - Microsoft is rebranding Win RT.
|
| Now that makes sense !
|

I'm not so sure about that. They recently announced the
opposite:

https://www.theverge.com/platform/am...-windows-store

Long story short: "Modern" AKA Metro AKA RT is basically
javascript running in a browser window. Phone apps. But they
have no phone or tablet to speak of. And game companies
were complaining that Metro or even .Net are not adequately
powerful for games. So MS are phasing out Metro and letting
Win32 API come in from the doghouse; and will sell Win32
software (that is, compiled desktop software that uses the
actual Win32 API rather than slow wrappers) in the Windows
store. The feeling seems to be that if they don't then they'll
have little chance of selling anything in their store. Metro was
nonsense from the beginning and still is. They were hoping to
pull an Apple, extorting fees from developers, but they don't
have a phone to make that possible.

That sounds great to me. Win32 is all I write and all I use.
But I worry that it could be a trick -- a plan to start requiring
a license and a kickback from anyone who wants their software
to be allowed on Windows.

As for Thurrott's piece:

It doesn't help that Microsofties struggle with English
literacy. Enablers? Delighters? Their marketing gobbledygook
is barely readable. But what it looks like to me is another
category of product. In other words, not really a new direction
for the basic workhorse PC, but a new, closed system --
basically a kiosk system -- for the so-called Internet of things.
It appears to also include a big dose of Jetsons futurism. They
seem to be talking "vision" at this point more than product.
And Paul Thurrott depends for his living on talking up
whatever marketing drivel comes out of the MS PR dept.
So it's not really surprising. Personally I don't see any of it
as something to be taken seriously: "Microsoft say they're
on the cutting edge and that someday you'll be able to
make a dentist appt while ordering groceries, all by just
looking at your Microsoft FabTab." Big whoop, as the
saying goes.

On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 14:44:19 -0500, Lynn McGuire
wrote:

"Provides a set of enablers that deliver the foundational experiences
customers expect from their devices. These enablers include “seamless
updates where updates are invisibly done in the background; the update
experience is deterministic, reliable, and instant with no
interruptions.” So he clearly not talking about Windows 10."

It seems that Microsoft wants to learn from Chrome OS...
(Chrome OS is working well for people without legacy software, like
our kids. They have a Chromebit and a Acer Chromebox CXI3. The latter
can even run Android-Apps and Linux.)

Regards

M.

On 6/6/2019 12:05 AM, Michael Logies wrote:

These enablers include “seamless updates where updates are
invisibly done in the background;

It seems that Microsoft wants to learn from Chrome OS...

I was looking forward to these "seamless updates" when I got a
Chromebook. However in the short time I've had it there's been 3 updates
that required a full reboot (a PITA on this security conscious device).
Chrome OS updates have certainly not been seamless for me...

On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 21:49:29 -0400, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Mayayana
wrote:

"Lynn McGuire" wrote

| TL;DR - Microsoft is rebranding Win RT.
|
| Now that makes sense !
|

I'm not so sure about that. They recently announced the
opposite:

https://www.theverge.com/platform/am...-windows-store

Oh, they may rework the UWP or ditch it entirely, but what they're still
trying to do is create a light OS in a walled garden that runs on more
than just x86/x64 in order to be Apple, which they just aren't.

It's not literally going to be Win RT, but it'll be the same dumb ideas
on a different day. So, in spirit, Win RT then.

Microsoft frequently goes "back to the future." They also ditch products
quickly and leave users twisting when it goes wrong, like Windows Phone
(several iterations) and Zune.

So much for buying into the Store and UWP. They will probably ditch it
and leave people twisting again. Lucky for me I don't have much UWP
software that I've bought.

Or it's yet another compatibility layer they're going to have to add.
Maybe it'll be called UWPOW?

They keep pulling this "Oooh SQUIRREL!" stuff and they complicate their
product to the point where they can't do QA on it any more. Not good.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On 6/5/2019 5:19 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 14:44:19 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Lynn
McGuire wrote:

"Microsoft Announces Modern OS" by Paul Thurrott

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...nces-modern-os

How many operating systems has Microsoft announced now ?

TL;DR - Microsoft is rebranding Win RT.

I was at my BBQ place yesterday and all of the registers were showing a
Windows logo on their seven inch display terminals. They had gotten
some sort of an update and their register display app no longer worked.
I had no idea if they were running XP, 7, 8, or 10. Just the four
colored flowing squares. Kinda like this:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...ticolored).svg

Lynn

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 13:36:05 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Lynn
McGuire wrote:

On 6/5/2019 5:19 PM, Zaghadka wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 14:44:19 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Lynn
McGuire wrote:

"Microsoft Announces Modern OS" by Paul Thurrott

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/win...nces-modern-os

How many operating systems has Microsoft announced now ?

TL;DR - Microsoft is rebranding Win RT.

I was at my BBQ place yesterday and all of the registers were showing a
Windows logo on their seven inch display terminals. They had gotten
some sort of an update and their register display app no longer worked.
I had no idea if they were running XP, 7, 8, or 10. Just the four
colored flowing squares. Kinda like this:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...ticolored).svg


That logo means either Win 7 or Vista. Probably an embedded version. They
should probably update their operating software, LOL.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:34:06 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

I was looking forward to these "seamless updates" when I got a
Chromebook. However in the short time I've had it there's been 3 updates
that required a full reboot (a PITA on this security conscious device).
Chrome OS updates have certainly not been seamless for me...

A reboot after an update, which has happened in the backgroud, should
be about 10 seconds. That`s much better than Windows.

Regards

M.

Michael Logies wrote:
123456789 wrote:

I was looking forward to these "seamless updates" when I got a
Chromebook. However in the short time I've had it there's been 3
updates that required a full reboot (a PITA on this security
conscious device). Chrome OS updates have certainly not been
seamless for me...

A reboot after an update, which has happened in the backgroud,
should be about 10 seconds. That`s much better than Windows.

Every reboot on MY Chromebook requires:

1st screen: enter email address
2nd screen: enter Google password (mine's 13 characters)
3rd screen: enter a 2FA code (after I go and find my cell phone)

I've never timed it, but that damn sure takes over 10 seconds...

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 15:23:28 -0700, 123456789 wrote:

1st screen: enter email address
2nd screen: enter Google password (mine's 13 characters)
3rd screen: enter a 2FA code (after I go and find my cell phone)

I've never timed it, but that damn sure takes over 10 seconds...

Something may be wrong with your device or configuration, perhaps you
should powerwash it.
On your own device entering your email address and 2FA should not be
necessary. On our devices only the password is needed. And because the
Chrome-OS-devices are running 24h/365dd, password is needed only every
few weeks, after update and reboot.

Regards

M.