Windows 1903 ISO

Wasn't given the option to update Win10 to 1903 so downloaded the ISO,
after mounting it and running setup it says 'Sorry, were having trouble
determining if your PC can run Windows 10. Please close and try again.'
despite me running Win10 1809 on it. Happens online, offline and running
the setup on my Win7 partition.

Is it a polite way of saying 1809 is the limit as far as this 10 year
old PC goes?


It has a AMD Athlon II X2 CPU, 4.00GB DDR3 @ 533MHz RAM and ATI Radeon
3000 Graphics (HP).

Pent wrote:
Wasn't given the option to update Win10 to 1903 so downloaded the ISO,
after mounting it and running setup it says 'Sorry, were having trouble
determining if your PC can run Windows 10. Please close and try again.'
despite me running Win10 1809 on it. Happens online, offline and running
the setup on my Win7 partition.

Is it a polite way of saying 1809 is the limit as far as this 10 year
old PC goes?


It has a AMD Athlon II X2 CPU, 4.00GB DDR3 @ 533MHz RAM and ATI Radeon
3000 Graphics (HP).


They seem to think the CPU works here, at least on older versions.

https://www.tenforums.com/drivers-ha...i-install.html

There is the CoreInfo utility, and you could compare that to the
Windows 8.1 requirement list. It lists more than just the critical
things unfortunately. The Wikipedia for Windows 10 has the requirements too.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/coreinfo

x32/x64

PAE * Supports 32-bit physical addresses
[mapper 32 bits in, makes 36 bits out etc.]
NX * Supports no-execute page protection
SSE2 * Supports Streaming SIMD Extensions 2
[likely abused for block move or something]

plus for x64 add...

X64 * Supports 64-bit mode

LAHF-SAHF * Supports LAHF/SAHF instructions in 64-bit mode
CX16 * Supports CMPXCHG16B instruction
PREFETCHW * Supports PREFETCHW instruction

The Radeon 3000 graphics aren't helping. I have 3200 on my laptop
and I don't think those are supported. However, if you download the
ISO and install that way, the graphics requirement should be ignored
on install, and Microsoft Basic Display Adapter driver is used. This
should allow an install to complete, even if it doesn't look
as sparkling as one would like.

I was doing that with an FX5200 in the box, for test (install from DVD
as a clean install). Worked OK from ISO, I don't think Windows Update
upgrades path liked it. I have not done that test in two years, because
my computer is a mess inside, and very hard to work in. (I have mechanical
supports to hold up the CPU heatsink, which has too high a mass for
the socket.)

*******

When you buy a video card, you're buying "six years of support",
rather than buying a piece of spiffy hardware.

The cheapest "worthwhile" video card is a GTX1050. The
GTX1030 is a ripoff because it doesn't have an accelerated
video decoder like the 1050 does. The 1050 is already
more than two years old, so only four years support left.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_10_series

The AMD cards are getting a bit long in the tooth,
and the most modern ones are high-end. Extremely
high-end from a price perspective. "Buy-a-new-computer"
expensive. And if you used an RX580 perhaps, I don't
know how many years of support that will have, as it
might be "grouped" with other cards of its generation.

Of course, your machine could well have an AGP slot,
in which case... you're screwed. The bridge chips
necessary to convert AGP to PCI Express, stopped
being made maybe seven years ago, so no more cards
with "support" will be available. At the best of
times, bridged video cards got only "one driver".
No updates.

You used to be able to get PCI card SKUs at one time.
I have such a card, to be used when flashing the BIOS
on a "good" card. But I don't think anyone makes those
either, even though it is, in 2019, still dead easy
to make such things. Bridges to make those are available.

While you can get USB3 graphics adapters, I'm sure the
driver situation on such would be "sketchy" and just
as likely to attract the ire of the installer, as
the 3000 graphics would. Those might work as an
"aux adapter" but not as the "main adapter".

Basically, the graphics card industry has you by
the short and curlies.

Even if a GTX1050 fitted in the machine, it has no
VGA connector on it, and it costs *extra* money
now to adapt HDMI or DisplayPort to VGA using
an adapter. Not only is the GTX1050 expensive for
a bottom tier card, it also doesn't have the right
connectors for a bottom tier card. The "industry"
eliminated VGA last year or the year before, and this
is the "year of the adapter". If you think you'll need
an adapter, and the monitor is worth keeping, picking
up an adapter might be a good idea, so you have
options. I have multiple of those now. The best
type is HDMI to VGA (assumes video card has HDMI),
because for some reason the card loses its mind
and reverts to HDMI, and it helps if you have
HDMI to VGA as the adapter in usage. The DisplayPort
connector on the other hand, has better "retention"
and won't fall out quite as easily. You have to depress
a release button for it to come out. The current
HDMI relies on an "interference fit". (The earlier
HDMI were as smooth as can be, and could easily
work loose.) The HDMI stay in now, but not with
quite the authority of the DisplayPort.

In 2019, I have to be pretty pessimistic about
"legacy hardware situations", because they keep
breaking stuff at every turn.

at least one, perfectly good Intel CPU, the installer
pukes when it sees it, and that's because the privileged
instruction that dumps the CoreInfo table, is "mis-coded"
by Intel in hardware, and one of the status bits is wrong.
The installer does not "do an actual functional test"
that the instructions needed are there. There's no
"CMPXCHG16B test" to verify it works, and so on.

*******

Video drivers come in XDDM (likely the 3000 has one of
those for Win8 era), and WDDM. They keep bumping the rev
number on the WDDM, and when they do, older cards might
not receive development work, and there's no "new"
driver for it. It's not clear whether in this release,
XDDM drivers are accepted as a fallback.

Windows 10 still runs in a Virtual Machine, and the
graphics emulation in there is pure ****. And yet it
works. It makes you wonder why "real" hardware can't
work.

*******

It would be nice if the installer was "expressive" enough
to tell us what was wrong, but that's expecting a lot...

If there was an override for the hardware check, that
would help.

Paul

On 08/06/2019 20:25, Pent wrote:
Wasn't given the option to update Win10 to 1903 so downloaded the ISO,
after mounting it and running setup it says 'Sorry, were having
trouble determining if your PC can run Windows 10. Please close and
try again.' despite me running Win10 1809 on it. Happens online,
offline and running the setup on my Win7 partition.

Is there anything pending on your machine that requires "RESTART". I am
emphasising the word RESTART because it has a special meaning in
Windows. Also, did windows try to update your machine on its own that
did not complete? For example, is there a hidden folder called [
$WINDOWS.~BT ]? Is so then this folder needs to be renamed and your
machine restarted before the upgrade can take place.



Is it a polite way of saying 1809 is the limit as far as this 10 year
old PC goes?

It's a polite way of saying that when you post questions here on Windows
10, at least try to use a Windows 10 machine so that we know you are a
genuine person asking a genuine question. We get nutters here all the
time asking some stupid questions hoping it will start an endless thread
where people start talking about their sex lives.



It has a AMD Athlon II X2 CPU, 4.00GB DDR3 @ 533MHz RAM and ATI Radeon
3000 Graphics (HP).

Who cares about what you have. If you think it is too old then go and
buy a new machine from DELL.

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