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I need dual bank recommendation
On 6/9/19 8:59 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 19:34:44 -0700, T wrote: I find dual band routers all over the map when it comes to reviews. I can't tell the fake reviews from the real ones. Does anyone have a recommendation of a dual band router suitable for both residences and small businesses? I was changing out my friends and customers Linksys EA2700 style routers with Asus RT-AC66u. The problem was that the Linksys EA2700 could not handle 100 to 150Mbits/sec throughput required by the current crop of DOCSIS 3.0 routers. That's on the gigabit ethernet ports. The EA2700 worked just fine at DSL speeds, but does badly above about 50 Mbits/sec. (No, it's not jumbo packets). I was using AsusWRT-Merlin firmware because I wanted the latest bug fixes and some better monitoring features on the assumption that Asus would not update their older models. https://asuswrt.lostrealm.ca Wrong. The recent discovery of some serious exploits resulted in the release of security upgrades for some of the low end routers, including the RT-AC66U. So, now I'm swinging back to the stock Asus firmware. Indecision is the key to flexibility. Last year, the author of AsusWRT-Merlin decided to no longer support the lower end of the Asus router series. The RT-N66U, RT-AC66U, and some others that I'm too lazy to lookup. So, I've switched to the RT-AC68U. https://www.asus.com/us/Networking/RTAC68U/overview/ The problem here is the large number of used T-mobile TM-AC1900 routers on eBay. It is possible to install Linksys or Merlin firmware on these, but it's tricky. https://www.bayareatechpros.com/ac1900-to-ac68u/ https://lazymocha.com/blog/2018/04/16/flash-t-mobile-cellspot-tm-ac1900-to-asus-rt-ac68u-p/ I managed to brick one last week while trying to be creative with the instructions. So, if you avoid the TM-AC1900 model and get the real RT-AC68U, you should be ok. The bad news is that they're about $150 new. The good news is that they're quite reliable, will easily route at Comcast cable modem 150MBit/sec download speeds, are quite fast to laptops and desktops that can do 802.11AC (5GHz only), and seem to be quite reliable. I'm still playing with the built in mesh networking (AiMesh) which seems to be useful. Currently, I have only one business and three residential installations using Asus wireless routers. Also, my next door neighbor and myself which is where I run my tests and experiments. That's not really enough history to make a proper recommendation, but if you're not sure what you, these would be a good start. Ubiquiti appeared in this discussion. I have 5 point to point wireless bridges build with various Ubiquiti radios. These are a mix of LocoM2, BulletM2 and M5, and Litebeam M5 models. Other than some performance optimization and some firmware updates, I haven't had to touch these after installation. The bad news here is that much of the used Ubiquiti hardware sold on eBay are early version hardware that cannot be updated to the latest firmware. It still works, but not very well. I got stuck with a pair of Bullet M5 radios with this problem. Since then, I've been buying new radios. While setting up an Asus router is fairly easy using their built in setup walk through, Ubiquiti is not easy. The settings are all there, but often scattered on different pages, or well hidden. For example, the wireless password is a tiny "?" icon next to the SSID box. Fortunately, there are a fair number of walk through videos and web pages that will help. Nifty built in features, like a spectrum analyzer to find empty channels and interference. Thank you! I will give ASUS a look! |
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I need dual band recommendation
On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 17:38:15 -0700, T wrote:
On 6/9/19 7:13 AM, nospam wrote: Your date is in the future. It's 10/6/19 synology, asus and ubiquiti amplifi are good choices. netgear and linksys/belkin not so much. I sell the Netgear WNR3500L100NAS, but it is 2.4 Ghz only. And it is the ONLY netgear product I will sell. As far as I can tell, the netgear stuff my customer's buy on their own and have me set up is total crap. The last one, I could log into the router but not get out to the Internet. I thought something was weird when I could update the firmware on the router. Then I tried attaching over the wireless and out on the internet I went. Total crap! Lynksys/belkin "not so much" is a good description. "Almost" has to apply. I have had the WORST dealings with Ubiquiti. I will check out asus and synology. Thank you! |
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I need dual band recommendation
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Hash: SHA256 nospam wrote: [...] in general, i've found contacting tech support to mostly be a waste of time no matter what company it is. the front line people know nothing and read from a script, and that's if they even understand the problem. I remember the days before UBNT had that real-time support; and the posts of "professionals" complaining they needed realtime support(tm). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAlz+Kx wACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooF2MwgAiidABjym7fC00nmbn3iEl3Dosnos1mfZfH2tG8LlyC B5DdUaroV/lKVp qILXErzdEp6Q669MSoqbcN5+J0JXmQnZK+ZUPPFcpM40sCy04c JmGk5hmhzze5mL 0bT2tuJtDCrzo00pLLalgRqupsw6ujqotAAxvdDF93YqlZL37D A3aeQpQg4LaZsI eUfkC7JANBbQ6mkM9ymYA35xnLymY6wDanxPAtvK3KrQ5/8i+oc0wE2YGI2Lw6jm gXMMRYhWYXajGsshJyxXdc+4V3lpC+/77tfyfFq52g2Midys625qxGggx2kKQIU1 HZHvJT4heptG+ov96pE3+S+2Ea07Fg== =inpE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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In article , wrote:
Oh they supposedly have a nice "Wizard" to set them up. But they do not ship them with the firmware that has the wizard. And they won't update. And there are no direction on line to do it manually. They way to use the "Wizard". the wizards are included in the stock firmware, plus there's plenty of how-tos online, from ubiquiti and others. It should only take me five minutes to set up a router. Lan network: network, mask, IP address, DHCP server, DNS. Wireless: security, SSID, key. Reboot. Ubiquiti ain't it. that takes less than 5 minutes, and most routers don't need a reboot to take effect. |
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On 6/10/19 6:35 AM, nospam wrote:
the wizards are included in the stock firmware, plus there's plenty of how-tos online, from ubiquiti and others. Not when they ship you out of date firmware that the wizard does not exist in and the firmware won't update. The wizards are nice, if you can get access to them and can figure out their weird/cumbersome way of doing things |
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On 6/9/19 10:54 PM, nospam wrote:
[nip] in general, i've found contacting tech support to mostly be a waste of time no matter what company it is. the front line people know nothing and read from a script, and that's if they even understand the problem. it's usually a *lot* more productive to do a search for whatever the problem is, and chances are someone else also had the same or similar problem, along with assorted solutions. a lot of companies have their own forums, which can also be useful. True. I have seldom contacted tech support unless it was for a service, and the problem is likely to be on their end. Some (the last one was Karma, https://yourkarma.com) but many have been unhelpful. [snip] -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Sensible men no longer believe in miracles; they were invented by priests to humbug the peasants." [King Alfonso] |
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On 6/9/19 11:35 PM, T wrote:
[snip] I concur, especially with East India based support. me. may I describe the problem? them. no, i have to ask you some questions first me. do ahead them. it your computer turned on? me. yes.Â* may I describe the problem? them. no, is your monitor on? you get the picture That's the kind of thing I got when I called support for one hotspot I had (company name starting with "V" and not Verizon). The person ignored 90-95% of what I was saying (and, as expected, assumed "Lubuntu" was some kind of Windows). BTW, I do get good tech support occasionally, like from Karma (as I mentioned in a previous post), where the technician solved my problem in a few minutes. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Sensible men no longer believe in miracles; they were invented by priests to humbug the peasants." [King Alfonso] |
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In article , wrote:
the wizards are included in the stock firmware, plus there's plenty of how-tos online, from ubiquiti and others. Not when they ship you out of date firmware that the wizard does not exist in and the firmware won't update. that must be *really* old firmware. the wizards have been there for years. why won't it update? worst case, download the firmware via another computer and update it directly (also not specific to ubiquiti). The wizards are nice, if you can get access to them and can figure out their weird/cumbersome way of doing things for edge products, it's in the wizards tab in the top right corner, and much easier than dealing with their web ui. |
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Hash: SHA256 nospam wrote: In article , wrote: the wizards are included in the stock firmware, plus there's plenty of how-tos online, from ubiquiti and others. Not when they ship you out of date firmware that the wizard does not exist in and the firmware won't update. that must be *really* old firmware. the wizards have been there for years. anything older than the ER-X ships with 1.2 (IIRC). Wizards are a 1.5 or 1.6 addon, though they're kinda bad til 1.8 or 1.9. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAlz+yo EACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooGkfwf/SvffbfDXPyTBUHTZYhsQafxZA5/SE6csVUCrujx4DFv7vT7XweUzUoAj N0jaUAvbb/2AUFp5//BtrKCH7skNjUnoJ0bSQ6+UEHJiw4EZEDGxSpAqS4jHAj9k ARw5w9BintmF/HKvJBKEz9BsWnaeS1zpa+8rf+tFDaPh7cm5hiOjYueFCy7l5LW 0 j4a5JwrrfQt0fmuGfSSX5uojLNfLqochK/4Iq3uGgj9czx6dLdMEjUABwJTTa8b8 d3JHFUV2v5RN+U3zok171eboc80P/tzRf4m37xUEJBSadA6nqSmq/0SMAQNDN60q 2JJ8A1g6AaJ0E1M/KWRgwooOofaGyQ== =M24i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 |
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On 6/10/19 2:12 PM, nospam wrote:
why won't it update? Beat me! worst case, download the firmware via another computer and update it directly (also not specific to ubiquiti). That is what I did |
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On 6/10/19 2:24 PM, Dan Purgert wrote:
anything older than the ER-X ships with 1.2 (IIRC). Wizards are a 1.5 or 1.6 addon, though they're kinda bad til 1.8 or 1.9. If memory serves me, both the new and the repaired unit were on 1.2. 1.3 would not install from a local downloaded file. Time to pitch in the trash. |
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On 6/9/19 6:32 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , wrote: I am surprised no one said anything about "dual 'bank'" the price of some routers will require at least that. Dual band routers, with gigabit ports, can be had for $60 https://www.amazon.com/MikroTik-RBD5.../dp/B079SD8NVQ It hardly qualifies as breaking the bank.. I'm currently using this one at home: https://www.amazon.com/MikroTik-Clou.../dp/B00N9ZIIFC Mikrotik classifies it as a switch, but it has full routing functions and you can group the ports into whatever combo you want. You could have dual WAN inputs, or triple WAN inputs, etc.. You can combine 3 ports into a group for one lan and combine a couple more into another group for another lan (lan segmenting), etc.. I've got mine set up with a dual WAN configuration so if one input fails the second will automatically take over. Redundancy is awesome! |
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On 6/9/19 8:54 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , wrote: So far I have recommended customers pitch their Edge Routers into the trash. I replaced them with something else. Problem solved. pitch them this way. edgerouters are great. they're inexpensive and *very* capable. however, they're not consumer products and not easy to set up for those who aren't network gurus. the true power is via the cli. Blah. Edgerouters suck.. Ubiquiti trying, and failing, to produce something approaching the functionality of Cloud Core Router |
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On 6/9/19 9:53 PM, Lucifer wrote:
On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 17:38:15 -0700, T wrote: On 6/9/19 7:13 AM, nospam wrote: Your date is in the future. It's 10/6/19 snip No.. In the US we write it as 6/10/19.. Month, Day, Year... I much prefer the European method of Day, Month, Year as it makes computer lists sort in a much saner way, but...... |
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On 6/11/19 12:05 AM, Johann Beretta wrote:
On 6/9/19 9:53 PM, Lucifer wrote: On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 17:38:15 -0700, T wrote: On 6/9/19 7:13 AM, nospam wrote: Your date is in the future. It's 10/6/19 snip No.. In the US we write it as 6/10/19.. Month, Day, Year... I much prefer the European method of Day, Month, Year as it makes computer lists sort in a much saner way, but...... We write it the way we say it: October sixth, two thousand and nineteen |
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