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In article , Sam E
wrote:


typical 4g speeds are 30-50 mbit, which is not that fast:

That's MUCH faster than a connection that is down.

and slower than when it's up, and users will notice the change.

On 6/19/19 4:41 PM, nospam wrote:


A clean (5 bar) 4G
connection may provide an equal speed to a customers home connection.

not usually, and it depends on what the connection speed is.

It's not speculation. It's fact. The "average" home user has less than
20 megabits. High speed connections are the domain of the city folk. At
best, 1% of people in the United States have a gigabit connection. This
isn't speculation.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...eed-in-the-us/


good luck getting anything remotely close to sustained gigabit on 4g.

Well yeah.. It's not a gigabit protocol. I've never seen anything faster
than 50mbps out of 4G. I spent 5 years upgrading AT&T cell sites to 4G
as a direct employee.



cell backup is *far* more likely to be used in a *business* setting,
not a home setting. home users don't need redundant internet
connectivity. facebook can wait.

No joke.. I own an ISP. I know exactly what business users want and
exactly what home users want. I provide solutions to both.


as i said, businesses often *need* redundancy because the cost of being
offline can be *very* expensive. plus, they usually have *much* faster
connections than home users.

No. No they don't. This is proof you haven't a clue. The AVERAGE
business in the United States is a small business. Business class
connections are sold as guaranteed bandwidth. If you purchase 100mbps
from Cox Cable, they _must_ provide you with 100mbps. They can't give
you almost 100mbps, or 100mbps only during off-peak hours. It's
guaranteed speed and unlimited usage, as the general rule.

Home users have data caps and speeds that are often nowhere near what
they think they're getting. Most wording for home internet is "Up to XX
megabits per second!" or "Data Limitations may apply". And sure, you
might be getting 100mbps at 3:00 AM but it might drop down to 50mbps in
the 6pm - 11pm time slot when everybody in your node is beating the ****
out of the connection by watching GoT in 4K.

Verizon's fiber service has a data cap for ****'s sake. Currently it's a
2TB / month. Do you have any idea how fast you can burn through that
with a gigabit connection? Sure, it's unlikely you would if you're being
normal.. But it certainly could happen, especially if you, for example,
failed to properly password-protect your wifi connection or used an
insecure protocol.


and real world lte speeds aren't particularly fast either.

typical 4g speeds are 30-50 mbit, which is not that fast:

It's 50% faster than the average speed in the United States. Explain to
me how a speed that is faster than what MOST people have, shouldn't be
considered fast? If your car does 50mph and mine does 100mph, it's fast
to YOU. It's not fast to a Formula 1 driver. But it's still fast.



home connection speeds are generally faster than that, sometimes *much*
faster. verizon is offering gigabit for $80/mo:
https://www.verizon.com/home/fios-gigabit-connection/

No.. No they aren't. We've addressed this above. The AVERAGE connection
speed is 17.1mbps, in the United States.


Furthermore, the cut-over could happen at a moment when the customer is
not actively pulling data. It would appear to be seamless.

they'll notice when they start using it again.

My statement specifically said "unless your router can notify you"

just about all of them with dual-wan fallback will do that.


Can you cite any stats? I used the reasonable statement of "some",
you're brushing up against "all". All I have to do is find 2 that don't
and your statement is false.

On 6/20/19 2:21 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Sam E
wrote:


typical 4g speeds are 30-50 mbit, which is not that fast:

That's MUCH faster than a connection that is down.

and slower than when it's up, and users will notice the change.


See my previous reply. I have proven almost ALL of your statements to be
false.

In article , Johann Beretta
wrote:

typical 4g speeds are 30-50 mbit, which is not that fast:

That's MUCH faster than a connection that is down.

and slower than when it's up, and users will notice the change.


See my previous reply. I have proven almost ALL of your statements to be
false.

actually, you didn't. your numbers were false and misleading.

In article , Johann Beretta
wrote:

A clean (5 bar) 4G
connection may provide an equal speed to a customers home connection.

not usually, and it depends on what the connection speed is.

It's not speculation. It's fact. The "average" home user has less than
20 megabits. High speed connections are the domain of the city folk. At
best, 1% of people in the United States have a gigabit connection. This
isn't speculation.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ection-speed-i
n-the-us/

home users do not need redundant internet, so their speeds are entirely
irrelevant.

your numbers are also wrong.

https://www.speedtest.net/reports/united-states/
During Q2-Q3 2018, the average download speed over fixed broadband in
the U.S. was 95.25 Mbps. Average upload speed was 32.88 Mbps.



Verizon's fiber service has a data cap for ****'s sake. Currently it's a
2TB / month.

no it doesn't.

https://www.verizon.com/about/news/y...s-much-as-you-
want-really
Verizon¹s fiber to the home high-speed broadband network, FiOS,
doesn¹t cap usage in any way.

Do you have any idea how fast you can burn through that
with a gigabit connection?

having a gigabit connection doesn't mean non-stop downloading 24/7.

for many people, it means shorter download times for large items, such
as os installers and updates.




home connection speeds are generally faster than that, sometimes *much*
faster. verizon is offering gigabit for $80/mo:
https://www.verizon.com/home/fios-gigabit-connection/

No.. No they aren't. We've addressed this above. The AVERAGE connection
speed is 17.1mbps, in the United States.

nope.

https://www.speedtest.net/reports/united-states/
During Q2-Q3 2018, the average download speed over fixed broadband in
the U.S. was 95.25 Mbps. Average upload speed was 32.88 Mbps.


the *slowest* speed verizon fios currently offers is 75 mbit and they
are heavily advertising gigabit, with all sorts of promos.


My statement specifically said "unless your router can notify you"

just about all of them with dual-wan fallback will do that.


Can you cite any stats? I used the reasonable statement of "some",
you're brushing up against "all". All I have to do is find 2 that don't
and your statement is false.

2 doesn't invalidate anything.

there are ****loads of routers out there, each of which has many
different firmware versions.

every router i've seen with dual-wan (or quad for that matter) has some
method of notifying the user.

there might be a router that does not, but i've not encountered it. not
offering that would be a dumb mistake on the part of the manufacturer.

On 6/20/19 7:56 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Johann Beretta
wrote:

typical 4g speeds are 30-50 mbit, which is not that fast:

That's MUCH faster than a connection that is down.

and slower than when it's up, and users will notice the change.


See my previous reply. I have proven almost ALL of your statements to be
false.

actually, you didn't. your numbers were false and misleading.


Oh good comeback. I post a link to statistics and you declare them false
with no opposing statistics..

On 6/20/19 7:56 PM, nospam wrote:

snip

Verizon's fiber service has a data cap for ****'s sake. Currently it's a
2TB / month.

no it doesn't.

https://www.verizon.com/about/news/y...s-much-as-you-
want-really
Verizon¹s fiber to the home high-speed broadband network, FiOS,
doesn¹t cap usage in any way.

Oh yeah? Then ****ing explain this:
https://arstechnica.com/information-...nlimited-data/

Explain this: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/124344

Explain this:
https://hardforum.com/threads/inside...-5-tb.1860865/

You're citing, as authoritative, Verizon's LIES. They cap data. End of
Story.

I'll concede my 2TB number was off. (The data shows they have caps as
low as 7TB). But it was less off than your statement. You said no caps
at all. BUT THEY HAVE CAPS. I've presented you with 3 pieces of
evidence. Will you simply declare it to be false?

Here's one mo
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/1/85...top-using-data

This shows Verizon warning customers using as low as 7TB of data.


Do you have any idea how fast you can burn through that
with a gigabit connection?

having a gigabit connection doesn't mean non-stop downloading 24/7.

for many people, it means shorter download times for large items, such
as os installers and updates.


That's not what I said. I said you CAN burn though your cap pretty damn
fast. But as I've proven to you, Verizon has caps as low as 7TB for
FiOS. Now we can do the math... At full speed, on a 1 gigabit
connection, it would take you exactly 17 hours 6 minutes 12 seconds to
blow through a 7TB cap. MATH - END - OF - STORY

https://downloadtimecalculator.com/

Or are you going to dispute actual math?



home connection speeds are generally faster than that, sometimes *much*
faster. verizon is offering gigabit for $80/mo:
https://www.verizon.com/home/fios-gigabit-connection/

No.. No they aren't. We've addressed this above. The AVERAGE connection
speed is 17.1mbps, in the United States.

nope.

https://www.speedtest.net/reports/united-states/
During Q2-Q3 2018, the average download speed over fixed broadband in
the U.S. was 95.25 Mbps. Average upload speed was 32.88 Mbps.


Well, I gave you the stats and you go to ONE website that measures
broadband speeds, ONLY OF THE PEOPLE THAT VISIT IT, and declare it
authoritative for ALL situations. I've given you links to research data.
Data that was sought and and collected ACTIVELY and not __passively_ as
is done by Speedtest.net


See he
https://broadbandnow.com/report/us-s...ge-speed-2018/

Your claims are LIES.

Big businesses have gigabit connections. In most of the US (outside of
cities) a 1gbit connection runs about $2,500/month. In some places it's
$3,500/month. You think most small businesses are paying that? What
the hell would a small business need a 1gbit connection for?

I have a gigabit connection because I own an ISP. I resell it. I
certainly don't have a gigabit at home. I can't afford $2,500 a month
for internet.

Here's a ****ing breakdown of every single state. Conclusion? 18.7mbps
is AVERAGE. Do you know what the word average means?

https://statetechmagazine.com/articl...e-2018-perfcon

How about this article?
https://psmag.com/news/why-is-american-internet-so-slow

I've given you overwhelming evidence, data from research, and links to
information that says the average internet speed in the US is less than
20 megabits per second. You declare it to be false. Before you declare
the entire news reporting industry to be liars, I'd check yourself.


the *slowest* speed verizon fios currently offers is 75 mbit and they
are heavily advertising gigabit, with all sorts of promos.

What's your point? Nobody has it.

As of the end of 2016, Verizon said it had a total of 5.7 million FiOS
internet connections. For the full year, Verizon added 235,000 FiOS
broadband customers, down from 350,000 broadband subscribers added in 2015.

Assuming a constant adoption of 235,000 subs per year (even though data
from Verizon itself, shows adoption to be slowing) we can extrapolate a
total of slightly less than 6.7 million subscribers by the end of 2019.

That's nothing.. Coax provides internet to roughly 60,000,000 (10 times
as many) subs. So your FiOS stats are both false (no caps) and
irrelevant. FiOS usage is less than 10% of cable company provided
connection.




My statement specifically said "unless your router can notify you"

just about all of them with dual-wan fallback will do that.


Can you cite any stats? I used the reasonable statement of "some",
you're brushing up against "all". All I have to do is find 2 that don't
and your statement is false.

2 doesn't invalidate anything.

there are ****loads of routers out there, each of which has many
different firmware versions.

every router i've seen with dual-wan (or quad for that matter) has some
method of notifying the user.


Show me anything that says that notification is more prevalent than
silent fail-over. I've given proof for everything I've said. I said
"some" provide it. To back that up I mentioned MikroTik. One is some.
You declare "most" with absolutely no data to back it up. Must be nice
to know as much as God.


there might be a router that does not, but i've not encountered it. not
offering that would be a dumb mistake on the part of the manufacturer.


Here's a list of prices for Cox Business:
https://www.cox.com/business/interne...-internet.html

Look at the prices. It's fact that most businesses in the USA are small
businesses (less than 50 employees).

I quote the article:
How many small businesses are there in the United States? 28 million.
That’s correct: 28 million small businesses in the United States. Not
impressed? To put this in perspective, there are 18,500 large companies
in the US. That’s 28,000,000 versus 18,500.
================================================== ======================

18,500 large companies versus 28 ****ING MILLION small businesses. Most
businesses are SMALL.

Now go look at those prices. How much do you figure the average
business (a small one) is spending on internet?

A home user can (by your own words) get 1GB for something like
$100/month. A business connection, of the same damn speed is more than
8x the cost and comes with a 3 year contract with heavy pre-termination
penalties!

Cox Business Internet - 1000 Up to 1000x35 Mbps $780.00/mo for 36 months

Do you think the average small business in the US is paying $800/month
for internet?