Cannot get rid of reminders in lockscreen

On 6/13/19 6:03 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

What's your definition of "quality mails"?


snip

however, for really huge e-mails, the duplication can make
the message so large that it exceeds your provider's outbound quota,

The only time I've ever had an issue with this was when there large
attachments. When I know the attachments will be large, I copy the
attachment to Dropbox and just send a link.

the
recipient's inbound max message size, or can't fit in their Inbox
(because they use the Inbox as a long-term trash cart).

This has the feel of being "behind the times" for the message size, and
user ignorance for the other.

Just because a
sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean
everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails.

I wonder how many people use a text only client anymore.

snip


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Ken
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Firefox 67.0
Thunderbird 60.7
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and it's gone!"

On 13/06/2019 19.23, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

What's your definition of "quality mails"?

One part of quality is that all sent e-mails should contain both a
plain-text version of the message along with an [optional] HTML MIME
part to add the formatting to the message.

that's not quality, that's technically required.

Nope. I can send any kind: just plain text, just html, or both. It's a
choice, not a requirement.

html mail should always have a plain text version so that recipients
are guaranteed to be able to read the contents no matter what email
client they use. if the client can't render html, then the text will be
readable, just without the fancy formatting.

better yet, html mail should not be used for all sorts of reasons, but
that's not going to happen any time soon.

Or ever. There is simply no other format for rendering capable text
formatting that is agreed upon by all parties. It is possible for some
enterprise suite to use some internal format, and convert to html when
going "outside", but that's all.


That is, when using HTML to
compose your e-mail, you are doubling its size (in a proper client): one
copy of the message is in the text portion of the body and a duplicate
of the message is in a MIME section for the HTML-formatted version. The
duplication is usually a trivial concern since most e-mails are under
15KB in size; however, for really huge e-mails, the duplication can make
the message so large that it exceeds your provider's outbound quota, the
recipient's inbound max message size, or can't fit in their Inbox
(because they use the Inbox as a long-term trash cart).

nonsense. the size limit is sufficient to handle attachments, and an
email that is just text, even with an html counterpart, is not going to
reach that limit.

Depends on the server. If the limit is 100K, and the post is 80K plain
text, the total post will be over 200 K and will bounce. That you say
100 K is absurd? Probably. I have used servers with 1 MB limit. Try to
send a 5 MB post through gmail, the last time I tried it bounced.

a general rule of thumb is 2k per page of plain text, so your example
of 80k plain text is about 40 pages.

that's an insanely long email, by anyone's standards.

Sure, but I have seen it :-)

something that long should be written and edited in a separate app and
then sent as an attachment, or a link to a cloud copy.

Yep, but I have seen it :-)

You only have to get inside a company that does things by internal email
with cc to a lot of people and use topposting with the entire thread
going back two weeks :-D

Worse, they mail a word document to everybody, and the replies include
again the document. Insane default. I have seen this with an internal
Exchange server, which of course got overloaded fast.


Just because a
sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean
everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails. Without the text
version of the message, a client can't show the text but may show the
HTML coding of the message.

many times, it shows nothing at all.

Nope

wrong. i've seen that happen many, many times.

That mail clients don't do bad conversions of html to plain text, when
the post comes in html only? Common... it happens to me quite often.
Just get an html with tables and see what happens in alpine or mutt.


Some text-only clients are smart enough to
figure out how to strip out the HTML code in HTML-only message, but they
make mistakes.

nope.

Oh yes.

nope. that's difficult to impossible to reliably do. there's also no
need to do that since if a developer is going to write code to extract
text from html, they might as well just render the html.

Well, there are mail clients that don't.



'they make mistakes' is an understatement, if it even tries.

I ran into that for users of Microsoft's Outlook app for Android.
That's the problem when writing new apps for a different platform: the
apps are necessarily smaller meaning they cannot have as much code as
the legacy desktop program, plus often the new app is getting written by
new programmers who don't have the historical knowledge of the e-mail
protocols, Internet message formats, or de facto standards.

nonsense. you know nothing about mobile app development.

Well, but you fail to give an explanation of why they lack features and
make big errors...

features depend on what the app developer chooses to provide, which has
absolutely nothing to do with mobile or desktop nor does it only apply
to email apps.

the belief that mobile apps as a group are somehow less functional is
simply bull****. in fact, the opposite is often the case since that's
where the best developers are.

for apps that exist on both mobile and desktop (not jut email), the
core functionality is often shared code between the two, with the user
interface code being different (and in some cases, not by very much).

I'd start a
discussing via e-mail, the replies where hierarchical, except for anyone
using the Outlook Android app which was missing the References header.
As I recall, it was over a year of complaints before Microsoft fixed
their Android app.

it doesn't matter anywhere near as much as you think it does.

It matters a lot. I have seen the disasters this causes.

it's rare.

Not that rare. I participate on dozens of mail lists, and now and then
comes someone that uses some strange webmail or corporate software
breaking the threading.


What is not realized by most e-mail users is that ALL e-mail gets sent
as plain text. I mean ALL of it.

also wrong.

there are several email providers that send/receive encrypted email,
and users can also do so on their own.

Still text.

it is *not* plain text.


Of course it is - mail servers can only handle plain text. The text is
formatted with strict rules, such as only certain chars are allowed,
lines of fixed length, etc. You can view it with a plain text editor,
such as notepad, but of course can not "read" what it says without the
key. Like this:



-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2

hQEOA+DMGyS6ljYGEAP+MsrNMt9kxgO6KEilmQqGhk6M3Hk8Dr FuTYJM34Z5pc3F
+k/K6mXJ0N33jvrLWPinz/AK2UuyHj8Tpn7yZJAL0XxlD7sboaQ97df+9GtGfCz3
BqOxjdgmLm+lNTQmX2Fkzaa0cVW+dgoJ1d/OO5MoRyVXawmJCo0U2Ph+Wb+2Vp8D


It is plain text :-)


--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 14/06/2019 12.19, Ken Springer wrote:
On 6/13/19 6:03 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:


Just because a
sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean
everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails.

I wonder how many people use a text only client anymore.

snip

Me.

I participate on many mail lists where html mails is forbidden and
bounced by the mail server.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Just because a
sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean
everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails.

I wonder how many people use a text only client anymore.

not many, but it's not zero.

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

What is not realized by most e-mail users is that ALL e-mail gets sent
as plain text. I mean ALL of it.

also wrong.

there are several email providers that send/receive encrypted email,
and users can also do so on their own.

Still text.

it is *not* plain text.


Of course it is - mail servers can only handle plain text. The text is
formatted with strict rules, such as only certain chars are allowed,
lines of fixed length, etc. You can view it with a plain text editor,
such as notepad, but of course can not "read" what it says without the
key. Like this:



-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
Version: GnuPG v2

hQEOA+DMGyS6ljYGEAP+MsrNMt9kxgO6KEilmQqGhk6M3Hk8Dr FuTYJM34Z5pc3F
+k/K6mXJ0N33jvrLWPinz/AK2UuyHj8Tpn7yZJAL0XxlD7sboaQ97df+9GtGfCz3
BqOxjdgmLm+lNTQmX2Fkzaa0cVW+dgoJ1d/OO5MoRyVXawmJCo0U2Ph+Wb+2Vp8D


It is plain text :-)

there is a difference between text and plain text, the latter of which
is human readable.

encrypted email is *not* plain text.

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

I participate on many mail lists where html mails is forbidden and
bounced by the mail server.

awesome. if only that was everywhere.

On 6/13/19 5:05 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

On 6/10/19 6:10 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Windows 10 Home x64 build 1803

I do not want any notifications on my lockscreen. This violates my
privacy by exposing my e-mails and calendar events to anyone that
wanders by my computer to look at the lockscreen. Mail and Calendar are
showing their notifications (reminders) on my lockscreen.

I'm not talking about the popup or toaster notifications on the bottom
right-side of the lockscreen although I also do NOT want those, either.
I'm talking about the in-screen notifications (aka reminders) about my
e-mails and scheduled events from the Mail and Calendar apps that appear
in the lockscreen at the bottom left. I don't want toaster popups about
my e-mails and calendar events. I don't want them as reminders within
the lockscreen image itself, either.

I have gone to "Settings - Personalization - Lock screen" and removed
all apps that were listed under "Choose apps to show quick status".
There is no Remove or Delete option. You click on the app in the list
and scroll to the top of the app list to select "None". I have gone to
"Settings - System - Notifications & actions" and deselected the "Show
notifications on lock screen" option. I also have "Show reminders and
incoming VOIP calls on the lock screen" disabled. I have logged off and
back on, in case those options are effected only on login. Nope, I
still get the reminders at the bottom left-side of the lockscreen under
the clock and datestamp lines.

OK..... So how do I suggest this, without irritating sensibilities... :-)

Rather than use the MS apps, why not try 3rd party software?

I did have a subscription to Office 365 but let it run out about the
time I did the Win10 build. That gave me Outlook 2016/2019 which is a
hell of lot better than the Mail and Calendar and People apps that come
with Windows 10. Costs money, though.

IIMO, good stuff, or supposedly good stuff, always costs money. People
seem to forget, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a
smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for
computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant.

Neither have I any interest in subscriptions. Current Office 365 is
$100/yr. 2 years ago, I spent $60 for a competing product. It does
more than I need, and I've saved money. I don't believe most people buy
Office because they need Office, but someone else says they need Office.

For now, and until I decide to
go back to Office 365, I'm using LibreOffice (but already have
encountered differences in how it renders docs and xlsx files), but it's
pretty good. Doesn't come with e-mail, calendar, or contact functions,
though.

"Everybody" says they are compatible with Office files. But I've yet to
see one that is 100% compatible. And the only way you know if the
program is accurate converting the Office file is if you have access to
Office to compare it. For that reason, I tell people to share the files
as a PDF.

For the most part, I'm speaking about home users.

Sorry, don't bother suggesting Thunderbird to me. I trialed
that several times. The last time was the longest at 6 months, but I
couldn't stand it anymore and went back to Outlook.

I don't recommend any particular program to anyone anymore. I recommend
a type or class of program(s) and tell them to try a variety until they
find the one they like.

Back then, TB
didn't do Exchange. You had to get an extension (ExQuilla) to add
Exchange, and I don't know how robust is that extension. The
extension's web page notes "allows TB users to read messages and
contacts on MS Exchange Server." Okay, but calendar isn't mentioned,
and I need that. Their home site (https://www.exquilla.com/) says, "We
are planning an ExQuilla version with calendar." So, it doesn't have
calendar sync yet, but the Outlook client and emClient can do it.

TB has merged the Lightning calendar into TB, and I sync my Google
calendars. I don't know about Exchange.

It is
also a *payware* extension to use in a freeware e-mail client. Not only
is ExQuilla payware, but it is also subscriptionware ($11.61 USB per
year). Not it's getting insulting to use this extension in Tbird. em
Client is a one-time fee ($50) to get more than 2 accounts in the free
version. I'm not looking for a few-year solution, but a many-year
solution.

Never heard of either of those, but emClient looks interesting. Be nice
if there was a Linux version.

snip

emClient looks interesting but the free version only supports 2
accounts, and I have 4 accounts. I can trial it with just 2 to see if I
like it. Other than the 2-account restriction, it is fully functional.
It supports Exchange ActiveSync, so it should sync okay with my Hotmail
account (primary e-mail) and its calendaring and contacts just like how
Outlook works.

Looks like emClient is out for me. I've got more than 4 accounts, way
more! LOL

There is no guarantee that the lockscreen reminders will go away by
going to a 3rd party or other local app.

True, but you don't know unless you try. I've learned not to believe
what I read on web pages. LOL

Do YOU actually know or are just guessing that Cortana or the Mail and
Calendar apps do not connect to my Hotmail account to then dump that
personal info on the lock screen? Because you said "try", I suspect
you're just guessing the 3rd party apps (well, other than Mail and
Calendar) won't pollute my lock screen. Since that personal data on
the lock screen appears to be a Cortana function, I'm guessing going
to 3rd party apps won't help. Killing Cortana is probably the fix.

I have no idea. But when I set up my W10, I did not give W10 permission
to collect all that information from my computer. But, I obviously do
not do my email on Windows.

I'm using a Microsoft account in Windows 10, not an offline or local
Windows accounts. That means Windows 10 *is* connecting to my online
account, so Cortana can get at my e-mails and events, and it appears
Cortana is the culprit of adding the quick access reminders on the lock
screen. I'm not quite ready to pull the plug on Cortana, but I likely
will. Cortana and the search are integrated. In 1903, they're
separated, so if I ever get 1903 then that's probably when I'll nuke
Cortana (and check if my lock screen becomes clean).

I *think* I have 1903 as of 2 days ago, based only on changes that were
coming that I now see. But I've not spotted anything that says 1903.

I have both MS and Apple accounts, but I log in to my systems with local
accounts.. I just have no need to have my systems "tethered to the
mother ship". G

snip


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.5
Firefox 67.0
Thunderbird 60.7
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 6/14/19 6:58 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Just because a
sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean
everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails.

I wonder how many people use a text only client anymore.

not many, but it's not zero.

Then basically,text only is a niche market, and is not the future for
the majority of users.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.5
Firefox 67.0
Thunderbird 60.7
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

Just because a
sender likes to have formatting with an HTML e-mails doesn't mean
everyone uses a client that can render HTML e-mails.

I wonder how many people use a text only client anymore.

not many, but it's not zero.

Then basically,text only is a niche market, and is not the future for
the majority of users.

unfortunately.

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:


I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a
smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for
computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant.

phones *are* computers, and the apps that run on them are often not
only as competent as legacy apps, but in some cases, much better.

On 6/14/19 10:04 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:


I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a
smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for
computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant.

phones *are* computers, and the apps that run on them are often not
only as competent as legacy apps, but in some cases, much better.

But competency does not equal features and usability.


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.5
Firefox 67.0
Thunderbird 60.7
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a
smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for
computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant.

phones *are* computers, and the apps that run on them are often not
only as competent as legacy apps, but in some cases, much better.

But competency does not equal features and usability.

mobile apps often have the same or similar features as their desktop
counterparts (sometimes more capable) and are easier to use for a
variety of reasons, including portability, direct manipulation, higher
quality displays and no legacy baggage.

it is a grave mistake to consider mobile apps as substandard.

On 6/14/19 9:52 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
I*think* I have 1903 as of 2 days ago, based only on changes that were
coming that I now see. But I've not spotted anything that says 1903.

Before I leave for the weekend, I checked, and I do have 1903.

Running on Vista era hardware. G

--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.5
Firefox 67.0
Thunderbird 60.7
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 6/14/19 11:05 AM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer
wrote:

I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a
smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for
computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant.

phones *are* computers, and the apps that run on them are often not
only as competent as legacy apps, but in some cases, much better.

But competency does not equal features and usability.

mobile apps often have the same or similar features as their desktop
counterparts (sometimes more capable) and are easier to use for a
variety of reasons, including portability, direct manipulation, higher
quality displays and no legacy baggage.

it is a grave mistake to consider mobile apps as substandard.

Show me a 100% zoom of a letter sized document, no scrolling, WYSIWYG. :-)


--
Ken
MacOS 10.14.5
Firefox 67.0
Thunderbird 60.7
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In article , Ken Springer
wrote:


I just don't see how an "app" that seems to be designed for use on a
smartphone will ever be as competent as something developed for
computers. They strike me as something developed for the ignorant.

phones *are* computers, and the apps that run on them are often not
only as competent as legacy apps, but in some cases, much better.

But competency does not equal features and usability.

mobile apps often have the same or similar features as their desktop
counterparts (sometimes more capable) and are easier to use for a
variety of reasons, including portability, direct manipulation, higher
quality displays and no legacy baggage.

it is a grave mistake to consider mobile apps as substandard.

Show me a 100% zoom of a letter sized document, no scrolling, WYSIWYG. :-)

phones can use external displays, or use a tablet. no big deal.

not all desktop computers have a display large enough to do that
either, certainly not ones that can be easily carried.