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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
I am having a second hand computer which the dealer has installed
Windows 10 on and some applications. However I have no knowledge what else may be lurking on the machine but reading on the internet I understand that as Windows 10 is activated I can use the create Windows 10 installation media tool at https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 is this correct ? Also does this instal the current/latest version of Windows 10 or an earlier version of Windows 10 with tons of updates to download too ? I am on a slow ADSL connection so would be grateful if someone could advise me of approximate size of the download. Thanks. Michael --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
Michael wrote:
I understand that as Windows 10 is activated I can use theย* create Windows 10 installation media tool at https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 is this correct ? yes, once activated you can wipe and re-install win10 on the machine without any fuss, it will re-activate from microsoft's servers. Also does this instal the current/latest version of Windows 10 or an earlier version of Windows 10 with tons of updates to download too ? The media creation tool will use the latest I am on a slow ADSL connection so would be grateful if someone could advise me of approximate size of the download. 4.6GB for the 64bit version, beware the download links expire after 24 hours. |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
Michael wrote:
I am having a second hand computer which the dealer has installed Windows 10 on and some applications. However I have no knowledge what else may be lurking on the machine but reading on the internet I understand that as Windows 10 is activated I can use the create Windows 10 installation media tool at https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 is this correct ? Also does this instal the current/latest version of Windows 10 or an earlier version of Windows 10 with tons of updates to download too ? I am on a slow ADSL connection so would be grateful if someone could advise me of approximate size of the download. Thanks. Michael This is my own internal naming convention. And these files were made with MediaCreationTool1903, which is probably the stub you'll be getting from the download page. These DVDs contain 7 OS versions, and the media fits on a single-layer DVD. Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes === yours Win10-32bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 2,894,200,832 bytes The latest cumulative would be: https://www.catalog.update.microsoft...px?q=KB4503293 2019-06 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1903 for x64-based Systems (KB4503293) 196.5 MB You don't have to download KB4503293 that way. The full size like that (196.5MB) is suited for "isolated" installs where the machine isn't on the network. Letting Windows Update do it, sometimes the total downloads are less. The machine will also need Windows Defender updates (150MB maybe) at some point. And Adobe Flash updates (20MB approx). ******* For a clean install, you'll want some sort of media, like a DVD or a USB flash stick. In some cases, your choice is forced by the nature of the machine design (and your budget for adding toys to the computer to give more boot options). There are many options for Windows licensing, and I wouldn't conclude your method is the mainstream method. I would make a backup image of what is on the hard drive now, due to the possibility of all sorts of weird **** happening. You'll notice Wile E Coyote always carries an umbrella, because trouble can happen at any time. ******* A used machine is likely a refurb from Joy Systems, and they're only allowed to ship machines with Windows 10 on it. Your dealer didn't sit there an put that OS on, because the dealer would charge $200 for that kind of maintenance (at the Geek Squad). So the OS version is likely Windows 10 Refurbisher. And I don't really know how those are activated, whether it's an MSDM in the BIOS tables, a SLIC activation (unlikely) or a discrete key typed in. While it is fun to pretend every operation we do generates "Digital Entitlement", there is no documented proof of how many variants of licensing actually exist. There's not enough traffic in this group, to generate such a table, and what you're doing, might be a first for us. I'm not even sure a refurb machine comes with "DVD making" software, like you get on a brand new Dell or HP. It's all a bit mysterious, as to what recovery options exist on those machines. There definitely isn't a COA... You should not find a sticker, not like on a retail OEM machine of Windows 7 vintage. Paul |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
Paul wrote:
Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.isoย*ย* 3,967,483,904 bytesย* === yours The combined home/pro 64bit English 1903 download is 4,939,534,336 bytes |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
Paul wrote:
the OS version is likely Windows 10 Refurbisher. And I don't really know how those are activated, whether it's an MSDM in the BIOS tables, a SLIC activation (unlikely) or a discrete key typed in. The only genuine refurb that I've seen came with a bootable USB stick and a scratch-card with the licence code. |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
Andy Burns wrote:
Paul wrote: Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes === yours The combined home/pro 64bit English 1903 download is 4,939,534,336 bytes Yes, I have that version too. It's the 11 OS version of the disc. Win10_1903_V1_English_x64.iso 4,939,528,192 bytes Thursday, May 23, 2019 I think I got that, by generating download URLs on WinXP, and then moving the URL over to the other machine to do the actual download. A Linux user would get that size of one too. That doesn't fit on a single-layer DVD. Using MediaCreationTool1903, gets you a smaller (and more useful) ISO file. Paul |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
Paul wrote:
It's the 11 OS version of the disc. Win10_1903_V1_English_x64.isoย*ย*ย* 4,939,528,192 bytesย*ย* Thursday, May 23, 2019 Yes, I got it by faking the user-agent in firefox. |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
On 24/06/2019 19:34, Andy Burns wrote:
The media creation tool will use the latest Without the updates. Two updates since 1903 was released. -- With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
On 6/24/2019 2:09 PM, Michael wrote:
I am having a second hand computer which the dealer has installed Windows 10 on and some applications. However I have no knowledge what else may be lurking on the machine but reading on the internet I understand that as Windows 10 is activated I can use theย* create Windows 10 installation media tool at https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...load/windows10 is this correct ? Also does this instal the current/latest version of Windows 10 or an earlier version of Windows 10 with tons of updates to download too ? I am on a slow ADSL connection so would be grateful if someone could advise me of approximate size of the download. Thanks. Michael --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com If it appears you have a windows 10 version on the computer the first thing you need to do is go to Settings. Right click MS Icon (White square on left end of tool bar.) Type "settings". Click Settings in the list of results. In Settings, click System, About; Scroll down to see the computer specification and Windows version. Go back to the main Setting Screen click Activation. This will tell you if your installation has been activated. You now have the basic information on your computer. You will know the version of Windows, if Windows has been activated, and if the computer has the minimum resources to install the current version of Windows. If I had a slow connection, I think I would find a friend with a fast connection and go visit him with some thing he likes and while there install the latest Windows version. Baring that, McDonald, and other fast food restaurants have reasonably fast connection, so take some change for coffee and donuts and install it there. Finally learn the native Windows 10 interface, Using third party interfaces will only put off what you will eventually have to do anyway, In the mean time you will wasting a lot of time trying to keep it looking like a previous version of Windows. -- Judge your ancestors by how well they met their standards not yours. They did not know your standards, so could not try to meet them. |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
On 24/06/2019 21:43, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Baring that, McDonald, and other fast food restaurants have reasonably fast connection, so take some change for coffee and donuts and install it there. And spare batteries for the laptop. These internet cafes may not have power points for all or won't allow people to use them just in case a faulty machine explodes and destroys the restaurant. Health & Safety takes priority. Finally learn the native Windows 10 interface, Stupid idea. It comes naturally with some common sense assuming it is common in the brain of the OP. Using third party interfaces will only put off what you will eventually have to do anyway, and defeats the purpose (and some will install malware as well - did you see a Norwegian company was forced to pay millions in ransom to ransomware creators) of getting new shiny machine and not able to use the modern interface. In the mean time you will wasting a lot of time trying to keep it looking like a previous version of Windows. It is futile to tell them this because they will see do it because some idiots here are peddling those crap tools. -- With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
On 6/24/19 4:43 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Finally learn the native Windows 10 interface, Using third party interfaces will only put off what you will eventually have to do anyway, In the mean time you will wasting a lot of time trying to keep it lookingย*likeย*aย*previousย*versionย*ofย*Windows. Just following the thread but directed at the OP: I agree about the native menu. If you just take a few minutes and strip all the junk from it, and shrink some of the lesser used tiles to smaller ones, then put your own on there, I find it quite easy to use. One click and you have all your daily tools in front of you and they launch with one more click. Same as double clicking a desktop shortcut. And you can group them into logical groups like games, photo & video etc. Al |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
On 24/06/2019 22:27, Big Al wrote:
If you just take a few minutes and strip all the junk from it, Can you just **** off. You are not using Windows 10 so what gives you the right to tell OP what he should do. Just **** off and don't ever come back here talking nonsense. Path: aioe.org!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Big Al Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10 Subject: Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help ! Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 17:27:39 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 21:27:40 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="4431ee5277ebc4a49a4882218ad33274"; logging-data="19054"; "; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+qOr0wfc7BxM4H7Wm8vTmdmO52RwZNX +c=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.1 Cancel-Lock: sha1:C7jr30YH2f0HPb9Q+d+dkFv6doU= In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US Xref: aioe.org alt.comp.os.windows-10:94189 -- With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
Big Al wrote:
If you just take a few minutes and strip all the junk from it, and shrink some of the lesser used tiles to smaller ones, then put your own on there, I find it quite easy to use. One click and you have all your daily tools in front of you and they launch with one more click.ย*ย* Same as double clicking a desktop shortcut. And you can group them into logical groups like games, photo & video etc. This. |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 16:43:37 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote: Finally learn the native Windows 10 interface, Using third party interfaces will only put off what you will eventually have to do anyway, In the mean time you will wasting a lot of time trying to keep it looking like a previous version of Windows. My advice to folks who are new to W10 is to check out the native interface and decide for themselves whether it's worthwhile to try to learn its quirks and oddities. Personally, I don't consider spending 30-60 seconds to configure a third party tool to be a waste of time, especially considering the massive amount of time it saves every day by not having to deal with the convoluted native interface. Some people say you'll have to reapply those tweaks after major version upgrades, but I haven't found that to be the case. Even so, I'd gladly spend another 30-60 seconds to fix a ton of usability issues because I know how much time it'll save me down the road. |
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Reluctant Converter To Windows 10 -First Request For Help !
Char Jackson wrote:
Personally, I don't consider spending 30-60 seconds to configure a third party tool to be a waste of time, especially considering the massive amount of time it saves every day by not having to deal with the convoluted native interface. Some people say you'll have to reapply those tweaks after major version upgrades, but I haven't found that to be the case. Even so, I'd gladly spend another 30-60 seconds to fix a ton of usability issues because I know how much time it'll save me down the road. +1 BTW, FWIW, no update has ever changed my Open Shell settings. -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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