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Windows strikes again.
I had a meeting to night, and had the agenda and all supporting documentation of the laptop. I got in the meeting and tried to use the computer and the mouse did not work, the touch pad barely worked, and some programs would not open. I rebooted and the computer worked a little better. I was able to struggle through my presentation to the meeting with a cantankerous computer. When I got home to night I checked the computer, and as so many times in the past when little things did not work right in the past years, there was an Update from microsoft waiting to be installed. I install the updates as soon as I can when I am aware they are waiting. So why does microsoft have to disable some of the function on the computer until their updates are installed? Why could they not just notify me the update was available? I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and hope that both don't decide to update at the same time. As for checking all of the things that have been suggested in the past, when you are sitting in a meeting with people waiting for your presentation you do not have time to fuss with analyzing your computer to find out why it is not working. |
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On 11/05/2016 01:50, Keith Nuttle wrote:
I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and hope that both don't decide to update at the same time. No what you need is to learn how to control your machine so that it doesn't do anything that you don't want it to do. For example, updates in Windows 8.1 is controllable by you. Similarly, updates in Windows 10 is also controllable by the user provided the user has some brains. I have not checked for update since 11th of April 2016 (the day before the Patch Tuesday struck on some computers). Now find somebody who can train you how to control your machine effectively. Old age is no excuse to learn new tricks. Even my dog can learn new tricks so can you. -- /*This post contains rich text (HTML). if you don't like it then you can kill-filter the poster without crying about it like a small baby so that you don't see this poster's posts ever again.*/ /*This message is best read in Mozilla Thunderbird as it uses 21st century technology.*/ |
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
Windows strikes again. I had a meeting to night, and had the agenda and all supporting documentation of the laptop. I got in the meeting and tried to use the computer and the mouse did not work, the touch pad barely worked, and some programs would not open. I rebooted and the computer worked a little better. I was able to struggle through my presentation to the meeting with a cantankerous computer. When I got home to night I checked the computer, and as so many times in the past when little things did not work right in the past years, there was an Update from microsoft waiting to be installed. I install the updates as soon as I can when I am aware they are waiting. So why does microsoft have to disable some of the function on the computer until their updates are installed? Why could they not just notify me the update was available? I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and hope that both don't decide to update at the same time. As for checking all of the things that have been suggested in the past, when you are sitting in a meeting with people waiting for your presentation you do not have time to fuss with analyzing your computer to find out why it is not working. Turn Windows Update Off. Completely off. Reboot. Go to the meeting. And leave Windows Update off. My Win7SP1 and Win8.1 OSes have updates turned off. Since around November of last year. Paul |
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On Tue, 10 May 2016 21:20:06 -0400, Paul wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote: Windows strikes again. I had a meeting to night, and had the agenda and all supporting documentation of the laptop. I got in the meeting and tried to use the computer and the mouse did not work, the touch pad barely worked, and some programs would not open. I rebooted and the computer worked a little better. I was able to struggle through my presentation to the meeting with a cantankerous computer. When I got home to night I checked the computer, and as so many times in the past when little things did not work right in the past years, there was an Update from microsoft waiting to be installed. I install the updates as soon as I can when I am aware they are waiting. So why does microsoft have to disable some of the function on the computer until their updates are installed? Why could they not just notify me the update was available? I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and hope that both don't decide to update at the same time. As for checking all of the things that have been suggested in the past, when you are sitting in a meeting with people waiting for your presentation you do not have time to fuss with analyzing your computer to find out why it is not working. Turn Windows Update Off. Completely off. Reboot. Go to the meeting. And leave Windows Update off. My Win7SP1 and Win8.1 OSes have updates turned off. Since around November of last year. Paul +1, Windows update should be treated as one would treat plutonium. It is extremely dangerous and should only be used when absolutely required. |
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On 05/10/2016 08:39 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 10 May 2016 21:20:06 -0400, Paul wrote: Keith Nuttle wrote: Windows strikes again. I had a meeting to night, and had the agenda and all supporting documentation of the laptop. I got in the meeting and tried to use the computer and the mouse did not work, the touch pad barely worked, and some programs would not open. I rebooted and the computer worked a little better. I was able to struggle through my presentation to the meeting with a cantankerous computer. When I got home to night I checked the computer, and as so many times in the past when little things did not work right in the past years, there was an Update from microsoft waiting to be installed. I install the updates as soon as I can when I am aware they are waiting. So why does microsoft have to disable some of the function on the computer until their updates are installed? Why could they not just notify me the update was available? I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and hope that both don't decide to update at the same time. As for checking all of the things that have been suggested in the past, when you are sitting in a meeting with people waiting for your presentation you do not have time to fuss with analyzing your computer to find out why it is not working. Turn Windows Update Off. Completely off. Reboot. Go to the meeting. And leave Windows Update off. My Win7SP1 and Win8.1 OSes have updates turned off. Since around November of last year. Paul +1, Windows update should be treated as one would treat plutonium. It is extremely dangerous and should only be used when absolutely required. But it gets worse if you go with Win10 There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot. I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control |
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On 11/05/2016 01:50, Keith Nuttle wrote:
Windows strikes again. I had a meeting to night, and had the agenda and all supporting documentation of the laptop. I got in the meeting and tried to use the computer and the mouse did not work, the touch pad barely worked, and some programs would not open. I rebooted and the computer worked a little better. I was able to struggle through my presentation to the meeting with a cantankerous computer. When I got home to night I checked the computer, and as so many times in the past when little things did not work right in the past years, there was an Update from microsoft waiting to be installed. I install the updates as soon as I can when I am aware they are waiting. So why does microsoft have to disable some of the function on the computer until their updates are installed? Why could they not just notify me the update was available? I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and hope that both don't decide to update at the same time. As for checking all of the things that have been suggested in the past, when you are sitting in a meeting with people waiting for your presentation you do not have time to fuss with analyzing your computer to find out why it is not working. I have updates set up as strictly manual. There were two reported yesterday, one important (Defender updates) and one optional. Yesterday's was yet another W.10 preparation for install. It's a bit of a pain checking all the optional ones, but I reckons it's worth the effort. -- John www.weather.johnwnice.co.uk |
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On 05/11/2016 08:41 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-05-11 03:13, philo wrote: On 05/10/2016 08:39 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote: [...] +1, Windows update should be treated as one would treat plutonium. It is extremely dangerous and should only be used when absolutely required. But it gets worse if you go with Win10 There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot. I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control Would you kindly outline the steps to do this? Thanks, First off, if you have Win10 Home edition there is no such function. With Win10, the reboot can be postponed, but not longer than a week. For people who leave their machines on 24/7 or hibernate...an totally unacceptable situation! see this, about halfway down http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-...ading-updates/ |
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On 11/05/2016 08:13, philo wrote:
But it gets worse if you go with Win10 It's because you are very stupid. There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot. There is if you have some grey matter. I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control No you don't. -- /*This post contains rich text (HTML). if you don't like it then you can kill-filter the poster without crying about it like a small baby so that you don't see this poster's posts ever again.*/ /*This message is best read in Mozilla Thunderbird as it uses 21st century technology.*/ |
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On 5/11/2016 9:39 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-05-10 20:50, Keith Nuttle wrote: [...] I am so looking forward to Windows 10 and their automatic updates. I guess for windows 10 you will have to carry two computes to meetings and hope that both don't decide to update at the same time. [...] Nice sarcasm. :-) Was I being sarcastic? ;-) |
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philo wrote:
On 05/11/2016 08:41 AM, Wolf K wrote: On 2016-05-11 03:13, philo wrote: On 05/10/2016 08:39 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote: [...] +1, Windows update should be treated as one would treat plutonium. It is extremely dangerous and should only be used when absolutely required. But it gets worse if you go with Win10 There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot. I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control Would you kindly outline the steps to do this? Thanks, First off, if you have Win10 Home edition there is no such function. With Win10, the reboot can be postponed, but not longer than a week. For people who leave their machines on 24/7 or hibernate...an totally unacceptable situation! see this, about halfway down http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-...ading-updates/ That article was "Published 08/5/15". Things can change, so don't be surprised if some tiny detail has evolved since then. The "AU" option thing has been around for a while (the five different number thing). Someone claimed "it didn't work" at one point, but they could very well have been using Home. It's pretty hard to test all these things, unless you have a ready supply of test setups. One addition to that list, is there is a hack available, to make a NIC into a "metered connection". Normally, Wifi supports "metered or not", by means of a registry key. Apparently someone has managed to add a registry key to a NIC connection information entry, so it behaves metered as well. And that article is missing the later GPEDIT entry, where in effect you change your install to a Long Term Support stream type. It doesn't say Long Term Support in the GPEDIT interface, doesn't say what you've just done, but someone in one of the forums claimed it was actually changing the stream the OS is updated under. So that article could use a few updates. And it would take a lot of testing to prove they all work. For example, the one that delays things for a month or five weeks, you'd have to monitor the OS for that long to see if the setting "stuck". ******* And that's the other sticky part of questions like this. You don't actually have a Win10 license key in hand, when you do an Upgrade. You have a digital entitlement on a server. Microsoft could apply any temporal terms and conditions to that entitlement they want, and you wouldn't know until the day you tried to re-install. So while you can nominally "bank" a digital entitlement, we have no way of knowing whether it ages out if not used, or whatever. There are two potential temporal issues, not related to the question. It's possible that *every* copy of Windows 10 has an expiry date. Because it's a rolling release and needs to be "Upgraded" to the next OS release at regular intervals. It's possible Windows Update will not offer you updates, if your copy of Windows 10 has been disconnected from the network long enough. But again, these are things that would take months and months to test. Paul |
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On 05/11/2016 01:14 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote: On 05/11/2016 08:41 AM, Wolf K wrote: On 2016-05-11 03:13, philo wrote: On 05/10/2016 08:39 PM, Stormin' Norman wrote: [...] +1, Windows update should be treated as one would treat plutonium. It is extremely dangerous and should only be used when absolutely required. But it gets worse if you go with Win10 There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot. I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control Would you kindly outline the steps to do this? Thanks, First off, if you have Win10 Home edition there is no such function. With Win10, the reboot can be postponed, but not longer than a week. For people who leave their machines on 24/7 or hibernate...an totally unacceptable situation! see this, about halfway down http://www.howtogeek.com/224471/how-...ading-updates/ That article was "Published 08/5/15". Things can change, so don't be surprised if some tiny detail has evolved since then. The "AU" option thing has been around for a while (the five different number thing). Someone claimed "it didn't work" at one point, but they could very well have been using Home. It's pretty hard to test all these things, unless you have a ready supply of test setups. One addition to that list, is there is a hack available, to make a NIC into a "metered connection". Normally, Wifi supports "metered or not", by means of a registry key. Apparently someone has managed to add a registry key to a NIC connection information entry, so it behaves metered as well. And that article is missing the later GPEDIT entry, where in effect you change your install to a Long Term Support stream type. It doesn't say Long Term Support in the GPEDIT interface, doesn't say what you've just done, but someone in one of the forums claimed it was actually changing the stream the OS is updated under. So that article could use a few updates. And it would take a lot of testing to prove they all work. For example, the one that delays things for a month or five weeks, you'd have to monitor the OS for that long to see if the setting "stuck". ******* And that's the other sticky part of questions like this. You don't actually have a Win10 license key in hand, when you do an Upgrade. You have a digital entitlement on a server. Microsoft could apply any temporal terms and conditions to that entitlement they want, and you wouldn't know until the day you tried to re-install. So while you can nominally "bank" a digital entitlement, we have no way of knowing whether it ages out if not used, or whatever. There are two potential temporal issues, not related to the question. It's possible that *every* copy of Windows 10 has an expiry date. Because it's a rolling release and needs to be "Upgraded" to the next OS release at regular intervals. It's possible Windows Update will not offer you updates, if your copy of Windows 10 has been disconnected from the network long enough. But again, these are things that would take months and months to test. Paul I have used the advice and thus far it's been working fine. Even though the article is a year old or so, the policy editor has been around for a very long time AFAIK |
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This insulting troll doesn't even know how to post to USENET...
-- Good Guy hello.world example.com wrote in news:ngvl8s$sl3$1 news.mixmin.net: Path: eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.mixmin.net!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Good Guy hello.world example.com Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8 Subject: WIndows 8.1 Upgrade Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 17:05:49 +0100 Organization: Mixmin Message-ID: ngvl8s$sl3$1 news.mixmin.net References: ngtvkm$1un7$1 gioia.aioe.org ngu15h$4qt$1 dont-email.me l635jb1hlm3hlc4jo0mj80jqtrfgu1ammr 4ax.com ngulsv$ms5$1 dont-email.me Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000304060508070206080008" Injection-Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 16:05:48 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net; posting-host="f157587dd45ccdda38742cd7eac4337cb5800ca7"; logging-data="29347"; mail-complaints-to="abuse mixmin.net" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.6.0 In-Reply-To: ngulsv$ms5$1 dont-email.me Xref: mx02.eternal-september.org alt.comp.os.windows-8:29302 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 11/05/2016 08:13, philo wrote: But it gets worse if you go with Win10 It's because you are very stupid. There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot. There is if you have some grey matter. I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control No you don't. -- /*This post contains rich text (HTML). if you don't like it then you can kill-filter the poster without crying about it like a small baby so that you don't see this poster's posts ever again.*/ /*This message is best read in Mozilla Thunderbird as it uses 21st century technology.*/ Attachment decoded: untitled-2.txt --------------000304060508070206080008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit html head meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type" /head body bgcolor="#EDF7B9" text="#000099" div class="moz-cite-prefix"On 11/05/2016 08:13, philo wrote:br /div blockquote cite="mid:ngulsv$ms5$1 dont-email.me" type="cite"br blockquote type="cite" br /blockquote br br br But it gets worse if you go with Win10 br br /blockquote It's because you are very stupid.br br blockquote cite="mid:ngulsv$ms5$1 dont-email.me" type="cite"There is no easy way to turn off updates and their automatic reboot. br /blockquote br There is if you have some grey matter.br blockquote cite="mid:ngulsv$ms5$1 dont-email.me" type="cite" br I had to use the group policy editor to re-gain such control br /blockquote br No you don't.br br br br br br div class="moz-signature"-- br p style="color: red;"emstrongThis post contains rich text (HTML). if you don't like it then you can kill-filter the poster without crying about it like a small baby so that you don't see this poster's posts ever again./strong/em/p p style="color: red;"emstrongThis message is best read in Mozilla Thunderbird as it uses 21st century technology./strong/em/p /div /body /html Attachment decoded: untitled-3.htm --------------000304060508070206080008-- |
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On 12/05/2016 03:47, John Doe wrote:
This insulting troll doesn't even know how to post to USENET... No but he knows how to insult mother ****ers cross-posters and cross-dressers like you ...................... -- /*This post contains rich text (HTML). if you don't like it then you can kill-filter the poster without crying about it like a small baby so that you don't see this poster's posts ever again.*/ /*This message is best read in Mozilla Thunderbird as it uses 21st century technology.*/ |
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