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Old August 31st 15, 07:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
occam[_2_]
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Default Win 8.1 Upgrade to Pro before upgrade to Win 10?

On my personal laptop I have Win8.1 Home. I plan to 'upgrade' to Win 10
Home in due course.

Is it worth upgrading to Win 8.1 Pro first before I do the transition to
Win 10? (I hear Win 10 Pro has more options regarding automatic updates
than Win 10 Home). (My Pro update comes free as I have access to my
university's group licence, also for use on my home PC).

Secondary question- does anyone know what the procedure for updating
from a private version of Win 8.1 to a group license Win 8.1 Pro is?.
(I discovered the usual upgrade path does not work. MS does not allow me
simply to upgrade from Home to Pro by typing the group license key.)

Thanks
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Old August 31st 15, 08:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default Win 8.1 Upgrade to Pro before upgrade to Win 10?

occam wrote:
On my personal laptop I have Win8.1 Home. I plan to 'upgrade' to Win 10
Home in due course.

Is it worth upgrading to Win 8.1 Pro first before I do the transition to
Win 10? (I hear Win 10 Pro has more options regarding automatic updates
than Win 10 Home). (My Pro update comes free as I have access to my
university's group licence, also for use on my home PC).

Secondary question- does anyone know what the procedure for updating
from a private version of Win 8.1 to a group license Win 8.1 Pro is?.
(I discovered the usual upgrade path does not work. MS does not allow me
simply to upgrade from Home to Pro by typing the group license key.)

Thanks


With Windows 10, the easiest way to get peace and quiet,
is to disconnect the network cable. Then it doesn't
matter whether you're running Home or Pro.

*******

The free upgrade is not for domain-joined computers. When
you mention "group license" that sounds like a VLK.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...9-33ea917cea21

I'm sure there is some way to sing and dance your way around that
limitation.

*******

I have the Insider edition of Win10 here, and even with the
ability to delay the reboot to later in the day, it's still
a pain to manage. I have yet to find a feature I could not
live without in Windows 10. (I don't use Cortana - while I
have a nice microphone for it, it's a bit of a nuisance to
set up. I have enough experience with VR, t know that my
crappy microphones simply won't work for this. I have
only one microphone which is good enough.)

The Start menu in Windows 10 is not wonderful enough to make
it a selling feature. In fact, I can do more with the Win8.1
menu than the Windows 10 one. The Windows 8.1 menu scrolls and
scrolls (vertical and horizontal). It's actually
quite a big menu.

*******

Take the situation right now. Win10 is loaded in the test machine.
Win10 is currently sleeping. The network cable has been unplugged
for the last three days. I have a program I use occasionally through
the day, I walk a USB stick over to it, transfer files onto the
machine and work. See how convenient that is ? o.O

I could not possibly have left the network cable connected.
The last time I used that particular program seriously, the run
time was one week. That's how long it took to create the output.
Now, if I had received even one Windows Update in that time,
I would have had to reboot in 24 hours, losing all work that
falls short of one week. Now perhaps you can see why I unplug
the network cable when I'm working. Safety first... Grrr.

And I have been caught a couple of times, starting lengthy
jobs, seeing the network light flashing, and realizing (too late)
that a Windows Update has just come in. And sure enough, a few
minutes later, the dreaded reboot message comes up on the screen.
In one case, I was able to use the "time delay" box to delay the reboot
to 3AM. In another case, I could see I was going to lose work in
any case, and just said **** it, and rebooted. So now I'm a little
more careful with that network cable.

If all you're doing is updating your Facebook page,
you have nothing to worry about :-)

I would say the ability to leave the network cable
plugged in, is worth about $100. What do you say ?

Paul
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Old August 31st 15, 01:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Win 8.1 Upgrade to Pro before upgrade to Win 10?

occam wrote:

On my personal laptop I have Win8.1 Home. I plan to 'upgrade' to Win
10 Home in due course.

Is it worth upgrading to Win 8.1 Pro first before I do the transition
to Win 10? (I hear Win 10 Pro has more options regarding automatic
updates than Win 10 Home).


You always upgrade to the [near] equivalent edition. You don't get to
upgrade to a more robust edition that you didn't pay for in the first
place. If you want Windows 10 Home then upgrade from Windows 7/8 Home.
If you want Windows 10 Pro then upgrade from Windows 7/8 Pro/Ultimate.

Pro has always had more admin options than Home. For example, with Pro
you get the policy editors (gpedit.msc and secpol.msc). Not with Home.

See:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/windo...ws-10-editions
(no differences until you get to the "Business experiences" section)
http://malwaretips.com/threads/windo...parison.49774/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions

Unless you actually [think you] need the Pro admin/domain features then
why pay more for Win8 Pro to get Win10 Pro for features you won't use or
don't understand?

(My Pro update comes free as I have access to my university's group
licence, also for use on my home PC).


Then BUY a single-use license from your college store. You'll probably
get an academic discount. You do NOT get to upgrade a license you never
owned. The volume (group) license you use is the property of the
college, not you. You don't upgrade their license (unless, of course,
you want to pay to upgrade all their "seats").

You only get to upgrade YOUR license. From what you said, YOU don't
have a license to Win8. That license is owned by your college.

Secondary question- does anyone know what the procedure for updating
from a private version of Win 8.1 to a group license Win 8.1 Pro
is?. (I discovered the usual upgrade path does not work. MS does not
allow me simply to upgrade from Home to Pro by typing the group
license key.)


YOU don't get to upgrade to a volume (group) license. You would first
have to buy a volume license so you can upgrade all "seats" (licenses).
Are you the sysadmin for your college that handles the volume licensing?
You now have a domain at home?

You will need your own Win8 license so you can upgrade your license to
Win10; else, wait until your college gets Win10 to dole you out one of
their seats.
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Old August 31st 15, 04:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Win 8.1 Upgrade to Pro before upgrade to Win 10?

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 03:47:36 -0400, Paul wrote:

Take the situation right now. Win10 is loaded in the test machine.
Win10 is currently sleeping. The network cable has been unplugged
for the last three days. I have a program I use occasionally through
the day, I walk a USB stick over to it, transfer files onto the
machine and work. See how convenient that is ? o.O

I could not possibly have left the network cable connected.
The last time I used that particular program seriously, the run
time was one week. That's how long it took to create the output.
Now, if I had received even one Windows Update in that time,
I would have had to reboot in 24 hours, losing all work that
falls short of one week. Now perhaps you can see why I unplug
the network cable when I'm working. Safety first... Grrr.


Unless they've completely perverted the network stack in Win 10, which I
don't believe is the case, you can simply remove the default gateway from
your network settings, which will enable your Win 10 to remain on your local
LAN while preventing any off-LAN traffic, in or out. To me, that's a lot
easier than pulling the cable and/or reverting to sneakernet.


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Old August 31st 15, 05:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Andy Burns[_3_]
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Default Win 8.1 Upgrade to Pro before upgrade to Win 10?

Char Jackson wrote:

Unless they've completely perverted the network stack in Win 10, which I
don't believe is the case, you can simply remove the default gateway from
your network settings, which will enable your Win 10 to remain on your local
LAN while preventing any off-LAN traffic, in or out. To me, that's a lot
easier than pulling the cable and/or reverting to sneakernet.


I don't know how the P2P windows update works, it might need to discover
the updates direct from the Microsoft, and use any local peers as a
download source, or it might discover updates fro local peers too...



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Old August 31st 15, 08:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default Win 8.1 Upgrade to Pro before upgrade to Win 10?

Andy Burns wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:

Unless they've completely perverted the network stack in Win 10, which I
don't believe is the case, you can simply remove the default gateway from
your network settings, which will enable your Win 10 to remain on your
local
LAN while preventing any off-LAN traffic, in or out. To me, that's a lot
easier than pulling the cable and/or reverting to sneakernet.


I don't know how the P2P windows update works, it might need to discover
the updates direct from the Microsoft, and use any local peers as a
download source, or it might discover updates fro local peers too...


Windows Update uses some sort of manifest file. The same file
that WSUSOffline uses, to build a download list for Windows Updates.
If a local computer had that file, the update could be totally
local. As if it was a corporate IT WSUS server or something.
But that doesn't strike me, as the way Microsoft runs it.
I would still expect centralized logins for the manifest,
with the "local copy" trick only being used to reduce
bulk download traffic.

Paul
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Old August 31st 15, 08:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Char Jackson
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Default Win 8.1 Upgrade to Pro before upgrade to Win 10?

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:42:37 +0100, Andy Burns
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:

Unless they've completely perverted the network stack in Win 10, which I
don't believe is the case, you can simply remove the default gateway from
your network settings, which will enable your Win 10 to remain on your local
LAN while preventing any off-LAN traffic, in or out. To me, that's a lot
easier than pulling the cable and/or reverting to sneakernet.


I don't know how the P2P windows update works, it might need to discover
the updates direct from the Microsoft, and use any local peers as a
download source, or it might discover updates fro local peers too...


I don't know, so I guess he's going to continue to pull the cable. :-)

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Old August 31st 15, 10:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default Win 8.1 Upgrade to Pro before upgrade to Win 10?

Char Jackson wrote:

I don't know, so I guess he's going to continue to pull the cable. :-)


Did I mention I hate surprises ? :-)

Paul
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Old September 1st 15, 11:44 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
occam[_2_]
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Default Win 8.1 Upgrade to Pro before upgrade to Win 10?

On 31/08/2015 14:28, VanguardLH wrote:
occam wrote:

On my personal laptop I have Win8.1 Home. I plan to 'upgrade' to Win
10 Home in due course.

Is it worth upgrading to Win 8.1 Pro first before I do the transition
to Win 10? (I hear Win 10 Pro has more options regarding automatic
updates than Win 10 Home).


You always upgrade to the [near] equivalent edition. You don't get to
upgrade to a more robust edition that you didn't pay for in the first
place. If you want Windows 10 Home then upgrade from Windows 7/8 Home.
If you want Windows 10 Pro then upgrade from Windows 7/8 Pro/Ultimate.

Pro has always had more admin options than Home. For example, with Pro
you get the policy editors (gpedit.msc and secpol.msc). Not with Home.

See:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-in/windo...ws-10-editions
(no differences until you get to the "Business experiences" section)
http://malwaretips.com/threads/windo...parison.49774/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_editions

Unless you actually [think you] need the Pro admin/domain features then
why pay more for Win8 Pro to get Win10 Pro for features you won't use or
don't understand?

(My Pro update comes free as I have access to my university's group
licence, also for use on my home PC).


Then BUY a single-use license from your college store. You'll probably
get an academic discount. You do NOT get to upgrade a license you never
owned. The volume (group) license you use is the property of the
college, not you. You don't upgrade their license (unless, of course,
you want to pay to upgrade all their "seats").

You only get to upgrade YOUR license. From what you said, YOU don't
have a license to Win8. That license is owned by your college.

Secondary question- does anyone know what the procedure for updating
from a private version of Win 8.1 to a group license Win 8.1 Pro
is?. (I discovered the usual upgrade path does not work. MS does not
allow me simply to upgrade from Home to Pro by typing the group
license key.)


YOU don't get to upgrade to a volume (group) license. You would first
have to buy a volume license so you can upgrade all "seats" (licenses).
Are you the sysadmin for your college that handles the volume licensing?
You now have a domain at home?

You will need your own Win8 license so you can upgrade your license to
Win10; else, wait until your college gets Win10 to dole you out one of
their seats.


Good stuff, Vanguard. I'll stick with Win8.1 Home (OEM) for the time
being. As you say, the university may eventually decide to make
available Win10 Pro eventually. I may not need all its network
features, but limiting the way Win 10 updates (with Pro) is a definite
'must have' for me.
 




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