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Good News for Windows XP Users...
On 06/19/2014 02:50 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In , Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 01:43 PM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 12:26 PM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 08:42 AM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: I have been using Linux for years and never reinstalled an OS. I have to recompile the Linux kernel and rebuild Xandros once again. I don't think there have been Xandros updates in the past 6 years. Nor can you just update either, it is too old and it doesn't work that way. You must update all manually. "The Xandros desktop edition gained flattering reviews for its slick and tidy interface, but is now several years out of date and offers little new for the experienced Linux user. Most tellingly the applications repositories which are the meat and drink of Debian-based Linux distributions are well behind the times. Quote from; http://www.itpro.co.uk/622528/the-lo...sktop/page/0/2 This was from when Xandros was still around. When did Xandros die? 2006? You think you still know Linux if that's where you stopped? No, I like Xandros the best. It isn't free, you have to pay for it. I continued with Ubuntu, Puppy, etc. I still like Xandros better though. Xandros has two modes, easy and advanced. Easy mode reminds me a lot like Windows 3.x Program Manager. Although it is more like a tabbed Program Manager. It boots in half of the time of other Linux distros. And it is very nice to bootup and do something really quick. Advanced mode looks more like your typical Debian desktop and you lost the quick bootup time. So why didn't you upgrade then? So the boot time of Xandros is comparable to other Linux distros then if you're using the advance mode in which you can actually do something productive. As far as boot times I really don't have the experience with Xandos so can't comment but I do know that a lot of Linux users are boasting about their bootup times. Mine are better than my wife's new Windows 8.1 machine but I doubt that it would hold it's own compared to a new Linux machine. I'm using an old Dell. My Ubuntu machines needs to be reinstalled about every two years. Why? Because Linux updates does not update the kernel. So to do that, you must manually compile and merge a newer kernel, or wipe everything out and install a newer distro. And without an updated kernel, you are forced with older apps. And that doesn't cut it with things like browsers. As many web pages won't render correctly. I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but there are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall. I should have said updated kernels. Straight from the repositories. I'm using 3.13.0.29 now and it was all automatic. I didn't have to do anything except down load it and install it. Nobody supports Xandros anymore that I know of. The only thing you can do is grab the newer source code for the kernel and recompile it. Unless somebody else already has done it, that is what you have to do. No you can't do it that way. The kernel for Xandros EeePC can only use Thunderbird v1.5 or Firefox v2 and that is high as you can go with that old kernel. Newer applications require a newer kernel or they just won't run. That is the way Linux works. Most Windows applications nowadays require XP SP2 or higher, so it is quite different. Sure many of them say XP SP3 or later, but the majority still works fine with XP SP2. Sometimes they even run fine under Windows 2000 SP4 too. Why can't you do it that way? You get new kernels all the time. In fact that is the only time I have to reboot. Yeah I could get the source code to newer Linux kernels without a problem. Although I have to manually recompile it first before I can use it. That's because you're stuck with Xandos. It's a past distro. It's no difference in Windows than Linux. If you want to use an old Os then you are stuck without upgrades. One difference tho is that in Linux you can at least rebuild any of the code if you want to. Try the new programs on 98 or Vista and see how well they work. This XP SP2 kernel hasn't changed since 2006 and it still runs 100% of what I want to run. Any Linux from 2006 is totally useless to me since it can only run applications from 2006 and nothing newer. Not true of XP SP2. I am still running the newest stuff with XP SP2. This is Distrowatch's take on Xandros; OS Type: Linux Based on: Debian Origin: Canada Architectu i586 Desktop: KDE Category: Desktop, Beginners Popularity: Not This is a quote from a 2009 article by Jordan Smith, product marketing manager at the time; "We are kind of getting away from being a Linux company..." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._linux/?page=1 This in 2010; "The lost world of the Xandros desktop" http://www.itpro.co.uk/622528/the-lo...andros-desktop "As of October 2013, Xandros’ URL is unresponsive and DistroWatch lists Xandros as discontinued." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xandros -- Caver1 |
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Good News for Windows XP Users...
On 06/19/2014 04:04 PM, Todd wrote:
On 06/19/2014 10:46 AM, Caver1 wrote: When was the last time you tried a Linux text editor? Hi Caver1, My favorite is "Leafpad". It allows you to save in Linux format (CR) or Windows format (CR-LF). Very handly. Though myself "vi" 20 years ago. That is a nightmare I never want to relive Fedora is so easy to upgrade now-a-days it makes me almost giggle. And you can swap an old system's hard drive into an entirely different system and it just boots back up. -T I heard that leafpad was good just haven't looked at it yet. That's the way Linux is nowadays. -- Caver1 |
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Good News for Windows XP Users...
On 06/19/2014 04:05 PM, Todd wrote:
On 06/19/2014 10:23 AM, Caver1 wrote: On 06/19/2014 12:26 PM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 08:42 AM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: I have been using Linux for years and never reinstalled an OS. I have to recompile the Linux kernel and rebuild Xandros once again. I don't think there have been Xandros updates in the past 6 years. Nor can you just update either, it is too old and it doesn't work that way. You must update all manually. My Ubuntu machines needs to be reinstalled about every two years. Why? Because Linux updates does not update the kernel. So to do that, you must manually compile and merge a newer kernel, or wipe everything out and install a newer distro. And without an updated kernel, you are forced with older apps. And that doesn't cut it with things like browsers. As many web pages won't render correctly. I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but there are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall. I get them about once a week. You must have an abandoned version What the kernel upgrade? I doubt that. Other updates, yes. I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 right now. The newest. Setting up another computer that was given to me. Haven't decided what to put on it yet. -- Caver1 |
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Good News for Windows XP Users...
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Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 02:25 PM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 12:49 PM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: Is anyone in their right mind still using Wordstar? How would you format plain text? Like something like this with indent? "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Very easy to do with Vim and gedit. I imagine that other Linux text editors have that capability now also. When was the last time you tried a Linux text editor? When Wordstar usage was still popular? Linux text editors have gone far past Wordstar's capabilities. Last I heard is Vim and gedit doesn't even support the WordStar diamond layout, which is still the most efficient method of typing commands. It keeps your fingers right on the keyboard right were they belong. Many programs back then copied the same. Microsoft was in the act too. As some of their older software supported some of them too. Wordstar is past ages. Who cares about Wordstar. I haven't even seen a Wordstar document in years so why would I care if I can't import/export them? Some of the best writers and programmers still use WordStar and the WordStar List on Yahoo is still active. Not bad for a company who called it quits in '94. Heck that was 20 years ago and it is still going. Linux was just two years old then and it still hasn't gone that far. Newer software developers just don't get it. As they use the more inefficient methods to do things. And I never understood *nix fans. As *nix always required tons of typing to do something so simple. That is probably why *nix has always sat in a niche. As only people who enjoy doing things the hard way would enjoy it. Like I said earlier you're so out of date with Linux you just don't know Linux anymore. You don't have to ever use the command line anymore if you don't want to. Some of the distros have progressed that far. this quote is from a recent Datamation article with link below it. "In the last fifteen years, the Linux desktop has gone from a collection of marginally adequate solutions to an unparalleled source of innovation and choice. Many of its standard features are either unavailable in Windows, or else available only as a proprietary extension. As a result, using Linux is increasingly not only a matter of principle, but of preference as well." http://www.datamation.com/open-sourc...p-needs-1.html Man! What a load of crap! Can't run my PC games, can't run MS Office 2000, can't sync with my Palms, can't talk to my AverMedia TV tuners, can't talk to my pen enabled machines, and my touch screen machines just barely... Linux is so far behind it is never going to catch up. Even Android is kicking its butt (that is pretty bad in itself). Even Vista has twice the following of all of the Linux users in the world and Vista is considered one of the worst Windows versions ever. If you can't beat even the Vista following, it is just hopeless IMHO. So the quicker you throw in the towel, the better. Who wants to be on a slow sinking ship? I remember CP/M pretty well still and while pretty neat, it was much more typing than using MS-DOS. And I remember Gary Kildall said that any half-wit could use CP/M. While that is true, it was still a billion dollar mistake. As I guess even half-wits like easier to use too. CP/M was developed in the early 1970s. MS-DOS didn't appear until the early 1980's. So why compare them. CP/M was good for it's time but did not progress so it died. MS-DOS was good for it's time but that is well past. CP/M continued until '85 and the last one was called CP/M 3.1 or aka CP/M Plus. I was developing an office product for CP/M that I planned on kicking Microsoft butt with! I had 80% of it done and then Gary Kildall said CP/M is over. Man, two years of developing down the drain and only about 6 months to go. At least Microsoft never had done that. No wonder somebody beat him up in a bar and he later died. Somehow I think he got off easy compared to all of the harm he had caused. If Bill Gates pulled something like this, I don't think he would be on this Earth too much longer either. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2 |
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Good News for Windows XP Users...
On 06/19/2014 01:51 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 06/19/2014 04:05 PM, Todd wrote: On 06/19/2014 10:23 AM, Caver1 wrote: I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but there are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall. I get them about once a week. You must have an abandoned version What the kernel upgrade? I doubt that. Other updates, yes. I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 right now. The newest. Setting up another computer that was given to me. Haven't decided what to put on it yet. Hi Caver1, By change do you mean the upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6? What I mean is a new revision of the current kernel. Looking at my /boot/grub/grub.conf, it keeps some of the old ones for a while before it ages them out. 2.6.32-431.17.1 2.6.32-431.11.2 2.6.32-431.5.1 Red Hat sends me out about one a week. They stay on top of security issues, unlike ... -T # cat /boot/grub/grub.conf # grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means that # all kernel and initrd paths are relative to /boot/, eg. # root (hd0,0) # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/mapper/luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0 # initrd /initrd-[generic-]version.img #boot=/dev/sda # # To Disable NOUVEAU driver: add this to the end of your # kernel line in /boot/grub/grub.conf # nouveau.modeset=0 rdblacklist=nouveau # default=0 timeout=5 splashimage=(hd0,0)/grub/splash.xpm.gz hiddenmenu title Scientific Linux (2.6.32-431.17.1.el6.x86_64) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32-431.17.1.el6.x86_64 ro root=/dev/mapper/luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0 rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0 rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-857c8618-2461-4dfc-b5bb-69949a804c6d rd_NO_LVM rd_NO_MD rd_NO_DM LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=us crashkernel=auto rhgb quiet nouveau.modeset=0 rdblacklist=nouveau initrd /initramfs-2.6.32-431.17.1.el6.x86_64.img title Scientific Linux (2.6.32-431.11.2.el6.x86_64) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32-431.11.2.el6.x86_64 ro root=/dev/mapper/luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0 rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0 rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-857c8618-2461-4dfc-b5bb-69949a804c6d rd_NO_LVM rd_NO_MD rd_NO_DM LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=us crashkernel=auto rhgb quiet nouveau.modeset=0 rdblacklist=nouveau initrd /initramfs-2.6.32-431.11.2.el6.x86_64.img title Scientific Linux (2.6.32-431.5.1.el6.x86_64) root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.32-431.5.1.el6.x86_64 ro root=/dev/mapper/luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0 rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-948a228f-13ec-462e-9e9e-fa9b4c4bd2e0 rd_LUKS_UUID=luks-857c8618-2461-4dfc-b5bb-69949a804c6d rd_NO_LVM rd_NO_MD rd_NO_DM LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SYSFONT=latarcyrheb-sun16 KEYBOARDTYPE=pc KEYTABLE=us crashkernel=auto rhgb quiet nouveau.modeset=0 rdblacklist=nouveau initrd /initramfs-2.6.32-431.5.1.el6.x86_64.img |
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Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 02:50 PM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 01:43 PM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 12:26 PM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 08:42 AM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: I have been using Linux for years and never reinstalled an OS. I have to recompile the Linux kernel and rebuild Xandros once again. I don't think there have been Xandros updates in the past 6 years. Nor can you just update either, it is too old and it doesn't work that way. You must update all manually. "The Xandros desktop edition gained flattering reviews for its slick and tidy interface, but is now several years out of date and offers little new for the experienced Linux user. Most tellingly the applications repositories which are the meat and drink of Debian-based Linux distributions are well behind the times. Quote from; http://www.itpro.co.uk/622528/the-lo...sktop/page/0/2 This was from when Xandros was still around. When did Xandros die? 2006? You think you still know Linux if that's where you stopped? No, I like Xandros the best. It isn't free, you have to pay for it. I continued with Ubuntu, Puppy, etc. I still like Xandros better though. Xandros has two modes, easy and advanced. Easy mode reminds me a lot like Windows 3.x Program Manager. Although it is more like a tabbed Program Manager. It boots in half of the time of other Linux distros. And it is very nice to bootup and do something really quick. Advanced mode looks more like your typical Debian desktop and you lost the quick bootup time. So why didn't you upgrade then? Upgrade to what? So the boot time of Xandros is comparable to other Linux distros then if you're using the advance mode in which you can actually do something productive. Did the same whether you used easy mode or advanced. Just the fancy advanced mode desktop had taken twice the time to boot up. Okay there was a few things you couldn't do under easy mode, but that isn't important if you were not using it long and was focused on one application for a short time. As far as boot times I really don't have the experience with Xandos so can't comment but I do know that a lot of Linux users are boasting about their bootup times. Mine are better than my wife's new Windows 8.1 machine but I doubt that it would hold it's own compared to a new Linux machine. I'm using an old Dell. Yeah well I don't know if I could say that is better even sight unseen. As my Windows machines can do tons more stuff than any Linux machine to begin with. So fast booting, but little you can do doesn't count for a lot. I can tell you that I converted a lot of my Windows machines to SSD and they are about 5 times faster than those hard drives they used to have. And I haven't seen any Linux on a hard drive beat Windows XP. 7, or 8 on a SSD yet. You might say that is unfair, comparing Windows on a SSD vs, Linux on a hard drive. Yes, I suppose. But Linux does so little and Windows does so much. It is easy to justify spending money on a SSD for Windows. Sure I could do the same for Linux too, but what will it get me? Sure just browsing, email, newsgroups, and weak on the multimedia department. But that is about it. Heck an Android can do that too, so why do I need Linux? My Ubuntu machines needs to be reinstalled about every two years. Why? Because Linux updates does not update the kernel. So to do that, you must manually compile and merge a newer kernel, or wipe everything out and install a newer distro. And without an updated kernel, you are forced with older apps. And that doesn't cut it with things like browsers. As many web pages won't render correctly. I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but there are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall. I should have said updated kernels. Straight from the repositories. I'm using 3.13.0.29 now and it was all automatic. I didn't have to do anything except down load it and install it. Nobody supports Xandros anymore that I know of. The only thing you can do is grab the newer source code for the kernel and recompile it. Unless somebody else already has done it, that is what you have to do. No you can't do it that way. The kernel for Xandros EeePC can only use Thunderbird v1.5 or Firefox v2 and that is high as you can go with that old kernel. Newer applications require a newer kernel or they just won't run. That is the way Linux works. Most Windows applications nowadays require XP SP2 or higher, so it is quite different. Sure many of them say XP SP3 or later, but the majority still works fine with XP SP2. Sometimes they even run fine under Windows 2000 SP4 too. Why can't you do it that way? You get new kernels all the time. In fact that is the only time I have to reboot. Yeah I could get the source code to newer Linux kernels without a problem. Although I have to manually recompile it first before I can use it. That's because you're stuck with Xandos. It's a past distro. It's a Linux distro. What some Linux suck? Is that what you are saying? It's no difference in Windows than Linux. If you want to use an old Os then you are stuck without upgrades. One difference tho is that in Linux you can at least rebuild any of the code if you want to. Try the new programs on 98 or Vista and see how well they work. This XP SP2 kernel hasn't changed since 2006 and it still runs 100% of what I want to run. Any Linux from 2006 is totally useless to me since it can only run applications from 2006 and nothing newer. Not true of XP SP2. I am still running the newest stuff with XP SP2. This is Distrowatch's take on Xandros; OS Type: Linux Based on: Debian Origin: Canada Architectu i586 Desktop: KDE Category: Desktop, Beginners Popularity: Not This is a quote from a 2009 article by Jordan Smith, product marketing manager at the time; "We are kind of getting away from being a Linux company..." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._linux/?page=1 This in 2010; "The lost world of the Xandros desktop" http://www.itpro.co.uk/622528/the-lo...andros-desktop "As of October 2013, Xandros' URL is unresponsive and DistroWatch lists Xandros as discontinued." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xandros So you are saying that Linux sucks! With over 300+distros out there your odds are you are going to get burned. And don't fall in love with any of them, as they come and go like toilet paper. Well that is good to know. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2 |
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Good News for Windows XP Users...
On 06/19/2014 05:23 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In , Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 02:25 PM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: On 06/19/2014 12:49 PM, BillW50 wrote: In , Caver1 typed: Is anyone in their right mind still using Wordstar? How would you format plain text? Like something like this with indent? "There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare Very easy to do with Vim and gedit. I imagine that other Linux text editors have that capability now also. When was the last time you tried a Linux text editor? When Wordstar usage was still popular? Linux text editors have gone far past Wordstar's capabilities. Last I heard is Vim and gedit doesn't even support the WordStar diamond layout, which is still the most efficient method of typing commands. It keeps your fingers right on the keyboard right were they belong. Many programs back then copied the same. Microsoft was in the act too. As some of their older software supported some of them too. Wordstar is past ages. Who cares about Wordstar. I haven't even seen a Wordstar document in years so why would I care if I can't import/export them? Some of the best writers and programmers still use WordStar and the WordStar List on Yahoo is still active. Not bad for a company who called it quits in '94. Heck that was 20 years ago and it is still going. Linux was just two years old then and it still hasn't gone that far. Newer software developers just don't get it. As they use the more inefficient methods to do things. And I never understood *nix fans. As *nix always required tons of typing to do something so simple. That is probably why *nix has always sat in a niche. As only people who enjoy doing things the hard way would enjoy it. Like I said earlier you're so out of date with Linux you just don't know Linux anymore. You don't have to ever use the command line anymore if you don't want to. Some of the distros have progressed that far. this quote is from a recent Datamation article with link below it. "In the last fifteen years, the Linux desktop has gone from a collection of marginally adequate solutions to an unparalleled source of innovation and choice. Many of its standard features are either unavailable in Windows, or else available only as a proprietary extension. As a result, using Linux is increasingly not only a matter of principle, but of preference as well." http://www.datamation.com/open-sourc...p-needs-1.html Man! What a load of crap! Can't run my PC games, can't run MS Office 2000, can't sync with my Palms, can't talk to my AverMedia TV tuners, can't talk to my pen enabled machines, and my touch screen machines just barely... Linux is so far behind it is never going to catch up. Even Android is kicking its butt (that is pretty bad in itself). Even Vista has twice the following of all of the Linux users in the world and Vista is considered one of the worst Windows versions ever. If you can't beat even the Vista following, it is just hopeless IMHO. So the quicker you throw in the towel, the better. Who wants to be on a slow sinking ship? Games are here now in Linux and more are coming all the time. The list of commercial games is starting to get long. Who cares about MS Office. MS Office 2003,2007,2010,2013 will run on Linux. Don't know about 2000 have you really tried it? Lately? The list of tv tuners that work with Linux is longer than your arm span. So you can't say that Linux doesn't have that capability. There are tv tuners that wont work wit different versions of Windows. I think that your comment about the amount of Vista users is a load of crap. Back it up. As far as syncing with Palm I think you need to look here; http://www.techrepublic.com/article/...-linux-via-kde Even GPS works on Linux. In fact some of the Best GPS units run on Linux. Linux owns the HPC market,in fact Linux more than owns it Linux dominates it, the server market, and other commercial markets are leaving Windows for Linux. You need to look at the following; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_adoptersAs far as Linux http://www.comparebusinessproducts.c...ght-not-expect http://www.tecmint.com/big-companies...g-on-gnulinux/ http://www.linuxfederation.com/linux-everywhere/ These don't cover the scientific community or the movie industry among others that use Linux. Are you going to tell them that Linux doesn't work? I remember CP/M pretty well still and while pretty neat, it was much more typing than using MS-DOS. And I remember Gary Kildall said that any half-wit could use CP/M. While that is true, it was still a billion dollar mistake. As I guess even half-wits like easier to use too. CP/M was developed in the early 1970s. MS-DOS didn't appear until the early 1980's. So why compare them. CP/M was good for it's time but did not progress so it died. MS-DOS was good for it's time but that is well past. CP/M continued until '85 and the last one was called CP/M 3.1 or aka CP/M Plus. I was developing an office product for CP/M that I planned on kicking Microsoft butt with! I had 80% of it done and then Gary Kildall said CP/M is over. Man, two years of developing down the drain and only about 6 months to go. At least Microsoft never had done that. No wonder somebody beat him up in a bar and he later died. Somehow I think he got off easy compared to all of the harm he had caused. If Bill Gates pulled something like this, I don't think he would be on this Earth too much longer either. AS I said they both reached their prime and are now past. -- Caver1 |
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Good News for Windows XP Users...
On 06/19/2014 05:59 PM, Todd wrote:
On 06/19/2014 01:51 PM, Caver1 wrote: On 06/19/2014 04:05 PM, Todd wrote: On 06/19/2014 10:23 AM, Caver1 wrote: I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but there are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall. I get them about once a week. You must have an abandoned version What the kernel upgrade? I doubt that. Other updates, yes. I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 right now. The newest. Setting up another computer that was given to me. Haven't decided what to put on it yet. Hi Caver1, By change do you mean the upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6? What I mean is a new revision of the current kernel. Looking at my /boot/grub/grub.conf, it keeps some of the old ones for a while before it ages them out. 2.6.32-431.17.1 2.6.32-431.11.2 2.6.32-431.5.1 Red Hat sends me out about one a week. They stay on top of security issues, unlike ... -T Hello Todd, The minor version changes for Ubuntu happen more often than than the versions themselves, but they don't happen weekly. I really don't know how often as I never kept track. -- Caver1 |
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On 06/19/2014 06:21 PM, BillW50 wrote:
No, I like Xandros the best. It isn't free, you have to pay for it. I continued with Ubuntu, Puppy, etc. I still like Xandros better though. Xandros has two modes, easy and advanced. Easy mode reminds me a lot like Windows 3.x Program Manager. Although it is more like a tabbed Program Manager. It boots in half of the time of other Linux distros. And it is very nice to bootup and do something really quick. Advanced mode looks more like your typical Debian desktop and you lost the quick bootup time. So why didn't you upgrade then? Upgrade to what? Since Xandros is still around commercially, Amazon sells it for around $50, don't they update it? If so why haven't you updated to a newer version. Amazon doesn't have many left so you better hurry. So the boot time of Xandros is comparable to other Linux distros then if you're using the advance mode in which you can actually do something productive. Did the same whether you used easy mode or advanced. Just the fancy advanced mode desktop had taken twice the time to boot up. Okay there was a few things you couldn't do under easy mode, but that isn't important if you were not using it long and was focused on one application for a short time. I use my computer for long periods. As far as boot times I really don't have the experience with Xandos so can't comment but I do know that a lot of Linux users are boasting about their bootup times. Mine are better than my wife's new Windows 8.1 machine but I doubt that it would hold it's own compared to a new Linux machine. I'm using an old Dell. Yeah well I don't know if I could say that is better even sight unseen. As my Windows machines can do tons more stuff than any Linux machine to begin with. No they can't. So fast booting, but little you can do doesn't count for a lot. I can tell you that I converted a lot of my Windows machines to SSD and they are about 5 times faster than those hard drives they used to have. And I haven't seen any Linux on a hard drive beat Windows XP. 7, or 8 on a SSD yet. You haven't looked. Some of the faster boot time boasters were talking about 4-5 second boot times with SSD hard drives. Can't back them up just taking their word for it. There was quit a long thread about it in one of the newsgroups. You might say that is unfair, comparing Windows on a SSD vs, Linux on a hard drive. Yes, I suppose. But Linux does so little and Windows does so much. It is easy to justify spending money on a SSD for Windows. Sure I could do the same for Linux too, but what will it get me? Sure just browsing, email, newsgroups, and weak on the multimedia department. But that is about it. Heck an Android can do that too, so why do I need Linux? Like I said before you don't know the current state of Linux. Prove to me one thing that Windows can do that Linux can't. My Ubuntu machines needs to be reinstalled about every two years. Why? Because Linux updates does not update the kernel. So to do that, you must manually compile and merge a newer kernel, or wipe everything out and install a newer distro. And without an updated kernel, you are forced with older apps. And that doesn't cut it with things like browsers. As many web pages won't render correctly. I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but there are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall. I should have said updated kernels. Straight from the repositories. I'm using 3.13.0.29 now and it was all automatic. I didn't have to do anything except down load it and install it. Nobody supports Xandros anymore that I know of. The only thing you can do is grab the newer source code for the kernel and recompile it. Unless somebody else already has done it, that is what you have to do. No you can't do it that way. The kernel for Xandros EeePC can only use Thunderbird v1.5 or Firefox v2 and that is high as you can go with that old kernel. Newer applications require a newer kernel or they just won't run. That is the way Linux works. Most Windows applications nowadays require XP SP2 or higher, so it is quite different. Sure many of them say XP SP3 or later, but the majority still works fine with XP SP2. Sometimes they even run fine under Windows 2000 SP4 too. Why can't you do it that way? You get new kernels all the time. In fact that is the only time I have to reboot. Yeah I could get the source code to newer Linux kernels without a problem. Although I have to manually recompile it first before I can use it. That's because you're stuck with Xandos. It's a past distro. It's a Linux distro. What some Linux suck? Is that what you are saying? There have been, and are, many Linux distros that aren't ar haven't gone anywhere. That has nothing to do with how good or bad Linux is. Windows has had it's flops, does that mean all of Windows is bad? It's no difference in Windows than Linux. If you want to use an old Os then you are stuck without upgrades. One difference tho is that in Linux you can at least rebuild any of the code if you want to. Try the new programs on 98 or Vista and see how well they work. This XP SP2 kernel hasn't changed since 2006 and it still runs 100% of what I want to run. Any Linux from 2006 is totally useless to me since it can only run applications from 2006 and nothing newer. Not true of XP SP2. I am still running the newest stuff with XP SP2. XP cannot run all of the new stuff. This is Distrowatch's take on Xandros; OS Type: Linux Based on: Debian Origin: Canada Architectu i586 Desktop: KDE Category: Desktop, Beginners Popularity: Not This is a quote from a 2009 article by Jordan Smith, product marketing manager at the time; "We are kind of getting away from being a Linux company..." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06..._linux/?page=1 This in 2010; "The lost world of the Xandros desktop" http://www.itpro.co.uk/622528/the-lo...andros-desktop "As of October 2013, Xandros' URL is unresponsive and DistroWatch lists Xandros as discontinued." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xandros So you are saying that Linux sucks! With over 300+distros out there your odds are you are going to get burned. And don't fall in love with any of them, as they come and go like toilet paper. Well that is good to know. There are or were 2500 Linux distros and none of them ever burnt anyone. Many of them are specific purpose distros. You wont get that in Windows. How many people have created their own version of Windows? I'll tell you, 0%. Having posted those links about Xandros only talks about Xandros not Linux. -- Caver1 |
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Good News for Windows XP Users...
On 06/19/2014 03:24 PM, Caver1 wrote:
Games are here now in Linux and more are coming all the time. The list of commercial games is starting to get long. Who cares about MS Office. MS Office 2003,2007,2010,2013 will run on Linux Hi Caver1, I have had good luck with Word and Excel under Wine. But, I wish folks would go to Libre Office instead. They have fixed every bug I have reported to them, except the envelope bugs. My big Linux killer is Quick Books. No possible way that will ever run under Wine. (QB is atrocious code.) For those XP hold outs, I can make Xfce look at lot like XP. And there are some folks that can't learn anything new and want to be exactly like everyone else. -T By the way, Gnu Cash won't do payroll or inventory. For those that could use it, they don't want to learn something new and good luck finding an accountant that can work with it :'( And these is always the turbo tax problem. |
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Good News for Windows XP Users...
On 06/19/2014 03:49 PM, Caver1 wrote:
XP cannot run all of the new stuff. Especially when M$ puts artificial blocks in software to keep it from happening. |
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On 06/19/2014 03:27 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 06/19/2014 05:59 PM, Todd wrote: On 06/19/2014 01:51 PM, Caver1 wrote: On 06/19/2014 04:05 PM, Todd wrote: On 06/19/2014 10:23 AM, Caver1 wrote: I get kernels every now and then. As far as the apps they also get updated. You don't always get new versions through the repos but there are other ways to get them. No need to reinstall. I get them about once a week. You must have an abandoned version What the kernel upgrade? I doubt that. Other updates, yes. I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 right now. The newest. Setting up another computer that was given to me. Haven't decided what to put on it yet. Hi Caver1, By change do you mean the upgrade from 2.4 to 2.6? What I mean is a new revision of the current kernel. Looking at my /boot/grub/grub.conf, it keeps some of the old ones for a while before it ages them out. 2.6.32-431.17.1 2.6.32-431.11.2 2.6.32-431.5.1 Red Hat sends me out about one a week. They stay on top of security issues, unlike ... -T Hello Todd, The minor version changes for Ubuntu happen more often than than the versions themselves, but they don't happen weekly. I really don't know how often as I never kept track. Hi Caver1, Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys. -T |
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Todd typed: Hi Caver1, Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys. Really? Care to post your IP address? That is all I need to gain root access to your Linux machine. No seriously. I have your permission, right? That makes everything legal you know. I am so surprised when Linux users think their Linux is so secured when they are hacked so easy and they never know it. Just one buffer overflow and you are in and they will never know it. It is so simple. No wonder a rootkit was living on a server and nobody caught it for 7 months. If it were on a Windows server, it would have been dead in less than a second. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2 |
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On 06/19/2014 07:34 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In , Todd typed: Hi Caver1, Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys. Really? Care to post your IP address? That is all I need to gain root access to your Linux machine. No seriously. I have your permission, right? That makes everything legal you know. I am so surprised when Linux users think their Linux is so secured when they are hacked so easy and they never know it. Just one buffer overflow and you are in and they will never know it. It is so simple. No wonder a rootkit was living on a server and nobody caught it for 7 months. If it were on a Windows server, it would have been dead in less than a second. Right. Less than a second? That's why Linux servers are on so many servers, and the number is growing all the time, is because they are are so insecure. I'm afraid you need more than my IP address as all of my ports are closed to incoming by default. That's why so many Linux computers are hacked. They are so insecure. -- Caver1 |
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On 06/19/2014 04:34 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In , Todd typed: Hi Caver1, Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys. Really? Care to post your IP address? That is all I need to gain root access to your Linux machine. No seriously. I have your permission, right? That makes everything legal you know. I am so surprised when Linux users think their Linux is so secured when they are hacked so easy and they never know it. Just one buffer overflow and you are in and they will never know it. It is so simple. No wonder a rootkit was living on a server and nobody caught it for 7 months. If it were on a Windows server, it would have been dead in less than a second. Hi Bill, What in the world must they have doing? There is no accounting for idiots. Also, you never mentioned if the root kit was able to manipulate non-windows file systems and programs. They may have been safe after all. The standard Fedora out of the box will stop you dead. If you are in a security situation you should only be using Red Hat anyway. Also, I write firewalls for a living. Lots of luck breaking in. I do test my work. Look at it this way: to screw Linux up you actually have to work at it; to screw Windows up, all you have to do is work on it. So you are correct, you can screw up Linux. Takes work though. Here is some reading for you. This comes standard with all Red Hat Linux distos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux The best File Integrity Monitoring software out there. And one of the reason why if you are in a security situation you should only be using Red Hat. They keep on top of things really well. -T |
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