Good News for Windows XP Users...

On 06/19/2014 04:49 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 06/19/2014 07:34 PM, BillW50 wrote:
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Todd typed:
Hi Caver1,

Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are
constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security
situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep
in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than
any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys.

Really? Care to post your IP address? That is all I need to gain root
access to your Linux machine. No seriously. I have your permission,
right? That makes everything legal you know. I am so surprised when
Linux users think their Linux is so secured when they are hacked so easy
and they never know it. Just one buffer overflow and you are in and they
will never know it. It is so simple. No wonder a rootkit was living on a
server and nobody caught it for 7 months. If it were on a Windows
server, it would have been dead in less than a second.


Right. Less than a second? That's why Linux servers are on so many
servers, and the number is growing all the time, is because they are are
so insecure. I'm afraid you need more than my IP address as all of my
ports are closed to incoming by default. That's why so many Linux
computers are hacked. They are so insecure.


HI Caver1,

The standard Fedora disto would stop a hack attempt dead in its
tracks.

I love the argument that just because it is not impossible
to hack a Linux system, then you should switch to an
insecure, low quality piece of crap that makes hacking
easy.

Which is an interesting debating tactic. Don't fly in this
airplane which is really hard, but not impossible to crash.
Instead fly on this ricket bucket that crashes ALL-THE-TIME.

There is a reason why the International Space Station
ripped out Windows and replaced it with Linux. Chuckle,
chuckle, they actually caught a virus!

-T

Bear in mind, the bad guys a lazy and go after
"low hanging fruit".

In ,
Todd typed:
Hi Caver1,

Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are
constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security
situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep
in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than
any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys.

Really? Care to post your IP address? That is all I need to gain root
access to your Linux machine. No seriously. I have your permission,
right? That makes everything legal you know. I am so surprised when
Linux users think their Linux is so secured when they are hacked so easy
and they never know it. Just one buffer overflow and you are in and they
will never know it. It is so simple. No wonder a rootkit was living on a
server and nobody caught it for 7 months. If it were on a Windows
server, it would have been dead in less than a second.

http://computingondemand.com/linux-i...y-complacency/

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

In ,
Todd typed:
On 06/19/2014 04:49 PM, Caver1 wrote:
On 06/19/2014 07:34 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Todd typed:
Hi Caver1,

Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are
constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security
situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep
in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than
any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys.

Really? Care to post your IP address? That is all I need to gain
root access to your Linux machine. No seriously. I have your
permission, right? That makes everything legal you know. I am so
surprised when Linux users think their Linux is so secured when
they are hacked so easy and they never know it. Just one buffer
overflow and you are in and they will never know it. It is so
simple. No wonder a rootkit was living on a server and nobody
caught it for 7 months. If it were on a Windows server, it would
have been dead in less than a second.

Right. Less than a second? That's why Linux servers are on so many
servers, and the number is growing all the time, is because they are
are so insecure. I'm afraid you need more than my IP address as all
of my ports are closed to incoming by default. That's why so many
Linux computers are hacked. They are so insecure.

HI Caver1,

The standard Fedora disto would stop a hack attempt dead in its
tracks.

I love the argument that just because it is not impossible
to hack a Linux system, then you should switch to an
insecure, low quality piece of crap that makes hacking
easy.

Which is an interesting debating tactic. Don't fly in this
airplane which is really hard, but not impossible to crash.
Instead fly on this ricket bucket that crashes ALL-THE-TIME.

There is a reason why the International Space Station
ripped out Windows and replaced it with Linux. Chuckle,
chuckle, they actually caught a virus!

Want me to hack into the International Space Station now? Who do I need
to ask for their permission?

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

In ,
Todd typed:
On 06/19/2014 03:49 PM, Caver1 wrote:
XP cannot run all of the new stuff.

Especially when M$ puts artificial blocks in software
to keep it from happening.

Where? What? This one is still running fine 8 years later.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

In ,
Todd typed:
On 06/19/2014 03:24 PM, Caver1 wrote:
Games are here now in Linux and more are coming all the time. The
list of commercial games is starting to get long. Who cares about
MS Office. MS Office 2003,2007,2010,2013 will run on Linux

Hi Caver1,

I have had good luck with Word and Excel under Wine. But,
I wish folks would go to Libre Office instead. They have fixed
every bug I have reported to them, except the envelope bugs.

Libre doesn't even support text with layout or WordArt. Every time I use
it I feel like I am using MS Works, just harder to use.

My big Linux killer is Quick Books. No possible way that
will ever run under Wine. (QB is atrocious code.)

Yeah well, emulators, VMs, etc. are never like the original.

For those XP hold outs, I can make Xfce look at lot
like XP.

Sure you can!

And there are some folks that can't learn anything new and
want to be exactly like everyone else.

I don't care about them, I want to go as far as I can go.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2300 1.66GHz - 4GB - ATI X1400 - Windows XP SP2

On 06/19/2014 08:13 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Todd typed:
On 06/19/2014 03:49 PM, Caver1 wrote:
XP cannot run all of the new stuff.

Especially when M$ puts artificial blocks in software
to keep it from happening.

Where? What? This one is still running fine 8 years later.


I have a XP machine also. Almost as long as yours. Stable, runs well,
never had any malware. Was my wife's. But I can guarantee you that there
is a lot of new stuff that it can't run. It's the last of Window's OSs
that let the owner still have a modicum of control over their computer.
8.1 is the worst so far. MS says they do this to protect the user from
himself. At least in Linux the user has control and the security.

--
Caver1

On 06/19/2014 08:25 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Todd typed:
On 06/19/2014 03:24 PM, Caver1 wrote:
Games are here now in Linux and more are coming all the time. The
list of commercial games is starting to get long. Who cares about
MS Office. MS Office 2003,2007,2010,2013 will run on Linux

Hi Caver1,

I have had good luck with Word and Excel under Wine. But,
I wish folks would go to Libre Office instead. They have fixed
every bug I have reported to them, except the envelope bugs.

Libre doesn't even support text with layout or WordArt. Every time I use
it I feel like I am using MS Works, just harder to use.

Defines the options for documents with complex text layouts;

Choose Tools - Options - Language Settings - Languages - Complex Text Layout



My big Linux killer is Quick Books. No possible way that
will ever run under Wine. (QB is atrocious code.)

Yeah well, emulators, VMs, etc. are never like the original.

For those XP hold outs, I can make Xfce look at lot
like XP.

Sure you can!

And there are some folks that can't learn anything new and
want to be exactly like everyone else.

I don't care about them, I want to go as far as I can go.



--
Caver1

On 06/19/2014 05:25 PM, BillW50 wrote:
Libre doesn't even support text with layout or WordArt. Every time I use
it I feel like I am using MS Works, just harder to use.

It is not suppose to. Use a text editor for that.

I *never* code in Libre Office. I use "vi" or Leafpad

On 06/19/2014 05:13 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Todd typed:
On 06/19/2014 03:49 PM, Caver1 wrote:
XP cannot run all of the new stuff.

Especially when M$ puts artificial blocks in software
to keep it from happening.

Where? What? This one is still running fine 8 years later.


Anything that need PCI compliance.

Latest M$ Office

Anyone foolish enough to use the latest IE

Anything requiring Dot Not 4.5 or above

On 06/19/2014 05:07 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Todd typed:
Hi Caver1,

Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are
constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security
situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep
in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than
any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys.

Really? Care to post your IP address? That is all I need to gain root
access to your Linux machine. No seriously. I have your permission,
right? That makes everything legal you know. I am so surprised when
Linux users think their Linux is so secured when they are hacked so easy
and they never know it. Just one buffer overflow and you are in and they
will never know it. It is so simple. No wonder a rootkit was living on a
server and nobody caught it for 7 months. If it were on a Windows
server, it would have been dead in less than a second.

http://computingondemand.com/linux-i...y-complacency/


Did you mean to send this twice?

On 06/19/2014 02:59 PM, Todd wrote:
What I mean is a new revision of the current kernel.
Looking at my /boot/grub/grub.conf, it keeps
some of the old ones for a while before it
ages them out.
2.6.32-431.17.1
2.6.32-431.11.2
2.6.32-431.5.1

2.6.32-431.20.3 just arrived

This notification was issued on 2014-06-19.
• A flaw was found in the way the Linux kernel's futex subsystem handled
the requeuing of certain Priority Inheritance (PI) futexes. A local,
unprivileged user could use this flaw to escalate their privileges on
the system. (CVE-2014-3153, Important)
• A flaw was found in the way the Linux kernel's floppy driver handled
user space provided data in certain error code paths while processing
FDRAWCMD IOCTL commands. A local user with write access to /dev/fdX
could use this flaw to free (using the kfree() function) arbitrary
kernel memory. (CVE-2014-1737, Important)
• It was found that the Linux kernel's floppy driver leaked internal
kernel memory addresses to user space during the processing of the
FDRAWCMD IOCTL command. A local user with write access to /dev/fdX could
use this flaw to obtain information about the kernel heap arrangement.
(CVE-2014-1738, Low) Note: A local user with write access to /dev/fdX
could use these two flaws (CVE-2014-1737 in combination with
CVE-2014-1738) to escalate their privileges on the system.
• It was discovered that the proc_ns_follow_link() function did not
properly return the LAST_BIND value in the last pathname component as is
expected for procfs symbolic links, which could lead to excessive
freeing of memory and consequent slab corruption. A local, unprivileged
user could use this flaw to crash the system. (CVE-2014-0203, Moderate)
• A flaw was found in the way the Linux kernel handled exceptions when
user-space applications attempted to use the linkage stack. On IBM S/390
systems, a local, unprivileged user could use this flaw to crash the
system. (CVE-2014-2039, Moderate)
• An invalid pointer dereference flaw was found in the Marvell 8xxx
Libertas WLAN (libertas) driver in the Linux kernel. A local user able
to write to a file that is provided by the libertas driver and located
on the debug file system (debugfs) could use this flaw to crash the
system. Note: The debugfs file system must be mounted locally to exploit
this issue. It is not mounted by default. (CVE-2013-6378, Low)
• A denial of service flaw was discovered in the way the Linux kernel's
SELinux implementation handled files with an empty SELinux security
context. A local user who has the CAP_MAC_ADMIN capability could use
this flaw to crash the system. (CVE-2014-1874, Low) The system must be
rebooted for this update to take effect.

For more information about this update please visit these websites:
• https://access.redhat.com/security/u...ion/#Important.
• https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2014-0771.html.
For more information about bugs fixed by this update please visit these
websites:
• https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1033578.
• https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1062356.
• https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1067558.
• https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1094299.
• https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1094363.
• https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1103626.
For more information about this security update please visit these websites:
• http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename...=CVE-2013-6378.
• http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename...=CVE-2014-0203.
• http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename...=CVE-2014-1737.
• http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename...=CVE-2014-1738.
• http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename...=CVE-2014-1874.
• http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename...=CVE-2014-2039.
• http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename...=CVE-2014-3153.

On 6/19/14 4:21 PM, BillW50 wrote:
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On 06/19/2014 02:50 PM, BillW50 wrote:
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Caver1 typed:
On 06/19/2014 01:43 PM, BillW50 wrote:
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On 06/19/2014 12:26 PM, BillW50 wrote:
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Caver1 typed:
On 06/19/2014 08:42 AM, BillW50 wrote:
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Caver1 typed:

snip

I can tell you that I converted a lot of my Windows machines to SSD
and they are about 5 times faster than those hard drives they used to
have. And I haven't seen any Linux on a hard drive beat Windows XP. 7,
or 8 on a SSD yet.

You might say that is unfair, comparing Windows on a SSD vs, Linux on a
hard drive. Yes, I suppose.

Geez, Bill, you're intelligent, you should know it's unfair. If you
want to compare boot speeds of one OS vs. another, that has to the the
only difference in the systems. The hardware must identical.

I really can't believe you would say this. :-(

snip


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 25.0
Thunderbird 24.3.0
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:11:34 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

I can tell you that I converted a lot of my Windows machines to SSD
and they are about 5 times faster than those hard drives they used to
have. And I haven't seen any Linux on a hard drive beat Windows XP. 7,
or 8 on a SSD yet.

You might say that is unfair, comparing Windows on a SSD vs, Linux on a
hard drive. Yes, I suppose.

Geez, Bill, you're intelligent, you should know it's unfair. If you
want to compare boot speeds of one OS vs. another, that has to the the
only difference in the systems. The hardware must identical.

Makes no sense to me either. I have a couple of multiboot PCs (and
have set up various others), so can compare Windows and Linux on the
same hardware. It's the only sort of comparison that means anything.

To me, boot time is less important than the time taken to start
individual applications, as this is what you'll be doing while
actually seated at the computer, so this is where you'll really notice
the delay. Both my multiboot PCs have SSDs and quad core processors,
and I don't think I have any Linux applications that take longer than
about 2 seconds to start, while some Windows applications take more
than twice as long. Scrolling round the sky in Stellarium is
noticeably smoother in Linux than in the Windows version of the same
program too, though this sort of thing may be different for programs
originally written in Windows.

Anybody who thinks Linux is rubbish hasn't tried one recently. The
well supported and more user-friendly ones like Ubuntu and Mint just
keep getting better and better. If you don't think they offer Windows
any serious competition yet, things may be very different by the time
Windows 7 support runs out. That'll be the real decision time.

Rod.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 18:27:56 -0400, Caver1
wrote:

The minor version changes for Ubuntu happen more often than than the
versions themselves, but they don't happen weekly. I really don't know
how often as I never kept track.

New versions twice a year, April and October. You can upgrade to a new
version online without a complete reinstall if that's the way you
prefer. Updates of individual files and applications as and when
necessary, sometimes every day. Takes a few seconds to check by
clicking a button, and usually less than a minute to install any files
that are needed.

Rod.

On 06/19/2014 10:33 PM, Todd wrote:
On 06/19/2014 05:07 PM, BillW50 wrote:
In ,
Todd typed:
Hi Caver1,

Red Hat is really on top of security issues. So, you are
constantly seeing kernel revisions. If you are in a high security
situation, you should consider switching to Red Hat. But, keep
in mind that Ubuntu is miles and miles and miles more secure than
any Windows version. M$ makes it easy for the bad guys.

Really? Care to post your IP address? That is all I need to gain root
access to your Linux machine. No seriously. I have your permission,
right? That makes everything legal you know. I am so surprised when
Linux users think their Linux is so secured when they are hacked so easy
and they never know it. Just one buffer overflow and you are in and they
will never know it. It is so simple. No wonder a rootkit was living on a
server and nobody caught it for 7 months. If it were on a Windows
server, it would have been dead in less than a second.

http://computingondemand.com/linux-i...y-complacency/


Did you mean to send this twice?

This problem only happens if you downloaded and installed that
particular version of that one program. Not Linux in general. He also
stated that if he checked the md5 sum of the program like he does in
Windows He would have caught it sooner not that it would have been
caught sooner by Windows in general. Windows is still much more insecure
than Linux. Getting better but still has a long way to go.

--
Caver1