Build 1074 feels like Linux

On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:06:36 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

But once I added 2 + 2 and got 5. I only got a
95% on that test.

Surely no-one 'adds' 2 + 2? Those things are stored in a look-up
table.

On 6/14/2015 10:56 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-14 11:00 AM, A wrote:

More idiotic propaganda


Why not kill this thread and address each other by regular E-Mail?

Regards, Rene

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 13:36:42 -0700, Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 20:46:45 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 07:07:26 -0700, Stormin' Norman wrote:

This is, by far, the best way to learn anything. If you have the
passion and interest to teach yourself virtually any topic or skill,
you will be amongst the most successful in your field.

Yes, try that with brain surgery or any other field where mistakes
can be costly.

Ed Schumed, a self educated aeronautical engineer was responsible for
designing the P-51 Mustang and F-86 Sabre fighter planes. He also led
the team of engineers that designed the F-5 Tigershark. The Mustang
was responsible for saving the lives of countless allied airmen during
WWII and made a very significant contribution to ultimate victory over
Germany.
....

You must mean Ed Schmued, try to get his name right. So is it true
that in the US anyone with no qualifications can call themselves an
Engineer?

Slimer wrote:
I'm just to going to killfile him eventually as I tend to do to every
other member of the Linux Loser Liar's Club. Actually, let me do that
now. He's not worth bothering with.

Like I said, cowards run when refuted and *always* do it while hurling
lies and insults. How does it feel to be so predictable, jack ass?

--
A

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 6/14/2015 10:56 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-14 11:00 AM, A wrote:

More idiotic propaganda


Why not kill this thread and address each other by regular E-Mail?

Regards, Rene


The *last* thing I would do is give this moron my email address.

--
A

On 6/14/2015 11:30 AM, A wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 6/14/2015 10:56 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-14 11:00 AM, A wrote:

More idiotic propaganda


Why not kill this thread and address each other by regular E-Mail?

Regards, Rene


The *last* thing I would do is give this moron my email address.



Why not? you act like loving Brothers :-))

Regards,Rene

On 06/14/2015 11:04 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:06:36 -0700, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

But once I added 2 + 2 and got 5. I only got a
95% on that test.

Since I'm more familiar with computers and digital electronics, I'm
likely to think "forgot to clear the carry bit".

Surely no-one 'adds' 2 + 2? Those things are stored in a look-up
table.


You probably did add at first and that's how you created that lookup table.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"If I had power over the Jews, as our princes and cities have, I would
deal severely with their lying mouth." [Martin Luther,"On the Jews and
Their Lies",1543]

On 06/14/2015 11:30 AM, A wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 6/14/2015 10:56 AM, Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-14 11:00 AM, A wrote:

More idiotic propaganda


Why not kill this thread and address each other by regular E-Mail?

Regards, Rene


The *last* thing I would do is give this moron my email address.


There is yopmail.com :-)

--
"A theologian is a person who uses the word "God" to hide his
ignorance." [Lemuel K. Washburn, _Is The Bible Worth Reading And Other
Essays_]

T wrote:

On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history of
patches breaking all kinds of things.

I've yet to experience that yet.

You are charmed. Do a good search and you will get
an ear full

Maybe it's because my HP tower with ECC ram makes things more smoothly
running without errors?
I'm sure we both can google for a lot of problems on both sides of the
fence.
I pulled the win7 hard drive out and put a new identical hard drive and
installed RedHat. The only issues I had was playing dvds, but I used my
support and they added a separate repository to the list and it
upgraded/added a few libs and programs. Works now. I tried VLC but its
features weren't what I wanted, just a player and nothing more.
The only real complaint I have is with gcc and that isn't RedHats area.

I much prefer Suns C/C++ compiler set. I also like the way that Visual
Studio tools work and well integrated when doing windows work. Actually it
is the best I've seen.

A wrote:

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-14 10:59 AM, A wrote:

Idiocy

Not worth it.


Courageous people admit it when they're wrong. Weak cowards like you
just hurl lies and insults.


Go to cola and get your rewards there. This is a windows 10 preview
newsgroup. We aren't interested in your childish insults or form of
conversion.

I've got both linux and windows. I find that windows is far more forgiving
than linux.

T wrote:

On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
without resorting to goofy forums that for the most you get no real
answers, just guff.

Sort of like this form?

In my 20+ years of doing this, I have had to pay M$, but
never anyone else.

I use the forums all the time with good luck.

Ask in any forum why xmkmf doesn't work.

A wrote:

GreyCloud wrote:
A wrote:

Slimer wrote:
1.5%, give or take. People tend to try it out and lose their ****
within the first week of its installation because an update broke some
of the functionality or left them with an unusable desktop.

Generalize with stereotypes much? I have two web sites that have nothing
to do with computers or Linux and over 14% of the visitors use Linux and
that's been going on for about a year (before that it was about 5%).
Windows 8 (barf) helped a lot. The Windows 10 cloud trip and eventual
rental will help even more.

But that isn't a world wide metric tho.
Depends on what is on your website that draws them in.


It's about Spanish language education and international travel. Not
exactly a geeky interest. The international travel is only open for
females. So, you were saying, Mr. I believe in stereotypes?

Where did I mention stereotypes?

These days I wouldn't even both to get on any jetliner.
I don't feel like getting groped by TSA.

And how do I know that you are telling the truth?

A wrote:

GreyCloud wrote:
A wrote:

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 7:03 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-12 6:33 PM, Johnny wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 18:18:27 -0400
Slimer wrote:

On 2015-06-12 4:47 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 13:36:57 -0700, T wrote:

On 06/11/2015 12:56 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
The problem with Linux distros is that when they come out with a
new version they always introduce new bugs.

As opposed to Windows? Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history
of
patches breaking all kinds of things. And their OS updates have
a habit of breaking most everything, which is the point, so you
have to buy updates and spend $$$$ on programmers, who have to
buy software from M$ to write those programs.

And as far as Linux goes, the things I have noticed getting
broken
as trivial. And the new bugs that get introduced a far fewer
than the bugs that get fixed.

And, And, you can always get Red Hat Enterprise Linux (or
clones), where things are locked down from that sort of thing for
10 years!

I can't be sure, but Linux has a .0000005% of the desktop users at
the most ??

1.5%, give or take. People tend to try it out and lose their ****
within the first week of its installation because an update broke
some of the functionality or left them with an unusable desktop.

Why don't you quit lying and tell the truth for a change? I have
never
known an update to break anything. The people that give up in a
week, just won't accept the fact that Linux is a completely
different
operating system, and take the time to learn how to use it. Instead
they give up and run back to something that is more comfortable and
familiar to them.

I moved to Linux to get away from the Spyware that Windows is, and
promised myself that I wouldn't go back, and I haven't.

I probably had more trouble learning how to use Linux Mint without
screwing it up so bad it was useless, than anyone, but I stuck with
it, and had people to help me, and I'm still using it 18 months
later.

I'm lying about updates breaking the system? Let's see...

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ch-update-%3D-
break-4175438110/



Three years old.


https://superuser.com/questions/3729...i-bios-update-
break-the-efi-boot-manager





Two years old.
https://askubuntu.com/questions/2231...-after-update-
linux-headers-error-brokencount-0




A year old and Ubuntu isn't as good as Mint.


https://unix.stackexchange.com/quest...t-update-with-
nvidia-breaks-cinnamon




Two years old and three Linux versions behind.



http://www.webupd8.org/2014/09/recen...buntu-desktop-
on.html




A year old.

https://forum.sabayon.org/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=32123

A year old and a few versions behind on a little known distro.


I'm sure all of those are lies as well.

Seems to me their problems rest between the keyboard and the chair,
just like you.


You might want to think twice about calling someone a liar when so
much evidence is available on the web. Take your Linux propaganda and
shove it up your ass, nobody here cares about the amateur code you
call an operating system.


Wrong again, I'm interested.

Ugh, manipulation. If the articles were just two weeks old, you would
actually say "two weeks old" as if it somehow forgave the operating
system. The point I was making was that updating Linux risks breaking
it. Your friend didn't believe me and I proved it with a number of
links. You can claim that it's an old problem and that it's been fixed,
but the reality is that it is a problem which has existed since Linux's
beginnings and it is still around.


I've never had that problem since 03. What am I doing wrong? It's easy
to find problems with *any* OS, dumb ass, even Windows. I worked on a
Windows laptop computer that would not boot. As the reboot on BSOD is
set by default, there was no way to read the BSOD code. It wouldn't go
into Safe Mode. Windows 7. Hardware, you'd say? Nope, WINDOWS. I
reinstalled Windows and it's been working fine for a couple of weeks
now. So if you think your little Google searches prove anything, I want
whatever it is you've been smoking.

Maybe it's because you couldn't figure out why it wouldn't boot
technically? How come the PC shops can get one of these working in a few
minutes then, like the Geek Squad from BestBuy?


They can't.

So you say.

A wrote:

GreyCloud wrote:
T wrote:

On 06/12/2015 01:47 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 13:36:57 -0700, T wrote:

On 06/11/2015 12:56 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
The problem with Linux distros is that when they come out with a new
version they always introduce new bugs.

As opposed to Windows? Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history of
patches breaking all kinds of things. And their OS updates have
a habit of breaking most everything, which is the point, so you
have to buy updates and spend $$$$ on programmers, who have to buy
software from M$ to write those programs.

And as far as Linux goes, the things I have noticed getting broken
as trivial. And the new bugs that get introduced a far fewer
than the bugs that get fixed.

And, And, you can always get Red Hat Enterprise Linux (or clones),
where things are locked down from that sort of thing for 10 years!

I can't be sure, but Linux has a .0000005% of the desktop users at the
most ??
If you want to push linux, go somewhere where people give a ****. Linux
desktops suck and the software is unpolished to say the least. Windows
programmers have some problems, but even the crappy programs are better
than what get written for linux****.

Hey, I like that name, Linux****.
Use it for servers and the science community, but never for general
use. Except for stupid people for surfing and email.


KenW


Hi Ken,

Sorehead. This is just friends talking computers. No one
is forcing you to read it.

And things have changed a lot. Try some of the new Live CD's:
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/

The only drawback Linux now has is the lack of business
applications. Unfortunately, I don't see that changing
and time soon.

The "surf" crowd should seriously think of an iPad.

-T

By the way, the more OS'es you learn, the more fun
this profession becomes.

For your info... the market place is changing to smart phone/mobile
devices. Desktops are starting to go away slowly.
That's the handwriting you see on the wall.



The question is is it a fad?

It sort of looks that way. Seeing that a lot of kids and young people using
them all the time.
But another fellow I know in England was pretty much on the mark about 10
years ago pointing out that electronics are being made a lot smaller and
we'd soon see handheld mobile devices doing most of what is being done on a
PC. PC sales have taken a nose dive from the reports I've seen at Forbes.
It doesn't surprise me either.

-= Hawk =- wrote:

On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 18:58:03 -0700, Stormin' Norman
scribbled:

On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:16:15 -0600, GreyCloud
wrote:

Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 13:03:40 -0600, GreyCloud
wrote:

Stormin' Norman wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 20:46:45 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 07:07:26 -0700, Stormin' Norman wrote:

This is, by far, the best way to learn anything. If you have the
passion and interest to teach yourself virtually any topic or
skill, you will be amongst the most successful in your field.

Yes, try that with brain surgery or any other field where mistakes
can be costly.

Ed Schumed, a self educated aeronautical engineer was responsible for
designing the P-51 Mustang and F-86 Sabre fighter planes. He also
led
the team of engineers that designed the F-5 Tigershark. The Mustang
was responsible for saving the lives of countless allied airmen
during WWII and made a very significant contribution to ultimate
victory over Germany.

Abraham Lincoln was a self-educated attorney and arguably the most
impactful President in the history of the USA.

Throughout human history the list of autodidacts is quite extensive
and very impressive.

And don't forget that Bill Gates left Harvard to start up his own
company that we all know.

I am not sure that one bolsters my argument..... ;-)

LOL!!! It should tho. He didn't have any formal education in computer
science, tho he did have some help. He used to get DEC to let him use
their computer system that ran basic for free, provided he could find any
bugs for
them to fix. He found a lot of bugs back then. Leaving Harvard must've
made his father cringe.


I think it was Thomas Edison who, in 1903, was quoted as saying:

"Genius is one percent inspiration, ninety-nine percent perspiration."

That was better than his previous motto "Let some other poor **** come
up with it and take the credit."


That sounds all too common an occurance these days.