Build 1074 feels like Linux

On 06/13/2015 02:12 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
For your info... the market place is changing to smart phone/mobile devices.
Desktops are starting to go away slowly.
That's the handwriting you see on the wall.

Hi Grey Cloud,

There is zero money for consultants to be made off toy computers.
This is why I focus on information creators who still use
workstations. The use of workstations will always be there
for creators. And thank goodness those that don't create will get away
from Desktops and I will not have to hassle with their complaining.
(I can't imagine what the gas station attendant has to go through.)

If you are just going to be viewing other people's content, get
an iPad.

By the way, did you hear that iPad's sales dropped. Seems
that everyone with one likes it and sees no reason to
upgrade. And they have run out of new view only users
(Apple makes a nice rubber keyboard for it).

What you are seeing it is just the stabilization of the two
markets. Most of those with iPads should have never had a
real computer to start with.

-T

On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
without resorting to goofy forums that for the most you get no real answers,
just guff.

Sort of like this form?

In my 20+ years of doing this, I have had to pay M$, but
never anyone else.

I use the forums all the time with good luck.

On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history of
patches breaking all kinds of things.

I've yet to experience that yet.

You are charmed. Do a good search and you will get
an ear full

GreyCloud wrote:

Stef wrote:

GreyCloud wrote:

Stef wrote:
[snip]

You don't need to go to school or class to learn Linux. I didn't.
Completely self taught.

Some can and some can't. Just the shows the diversity of people.

Only a few can't. Those with low cognitive ability. But most can.
They just never try convinced that the subject matter is beyond them.


But most don't. I've yet to see any doctors mess around with any operating
system setups or changes. They just don't have the time.
See below.

True. But that doesn't mean they can't. it's just more important in
your example that doctors doctor.


So, if I can do it, anyone can. If they
try. Most don't. Too much work. They want it easy.

Of course, if they have no desire to work a computer and just want to get
it
done. Also, most don't have time to spare due to other pressing matters.

Our educational system (at least in the U.S.) pander to poor
students and teaching by rote instead of understanding concepts. This
philosophy affects good students badly as they aren't challenged
sufficiently. And actually never reach their full potential. Teaching
methods were similar when I was in school, but standards were a lot
higher, you were expected to do well, and were "held back" when you
didn't.

That is a problem, in which my grandson is one of those that wasn't
challenged at all, except when he challenged the teachers on their claims
and proving them wrong. That's when he ended up in the principals office
but the principal was smart enough to know that.

Sadly, all too often, the principals aren't. I see reports in the
papers most every day where some student is disciplined for no other
reason than not being a follower.

The goal of the schools today is more to indoctorinate in the current
political philosophy instead of educate, And to punish all independent
thinkers who are a threat, teachers as well as students. I wonder when
they'll start handing out those brown shirts?


I had to step in and guide my grandson into the right direction. At his
junior year in high school he was attending college part time till he
graduated. Then he applied for a few colleges in which one, MIT, wanted him
but he couldn't afford them. He was given one of those rare McNair grants
that pays his way to a PHD degree in physics. Now he finds it challenging.

Congrats to your grandson.


Spare time? People have plenty of spare time. They just don't use it
productively. They'd rather watch the latest installment of some inane
"reality" show on TV, or knock back more than a few at the
neighborhood pub every night. I double majored in college -- math and
physics -- and even though I attended classes 6 days a week for four
years, I still put myself through school working parttime during the
school year and full time summers. No scholarships or aid or loans. So,
"don't have enough time" doesn't cut it with me.


That's is just that you understand the situation. Most don't even have a
clue let alone what they want to do with their life.

When most everything is handed to you, there's no need to work for it.


What do Windows people do when the wifi doesn't work? They call tech
support. A Linux user will find out why it doesn't work and fix it.


Sometimes that isn't as easy as it sounds. Depends on the computer.

Most times it is, regardless of the computer or OS.


You'll find a lot of complaints about wi-fi in many linux forums.

Many times, it due to one big mistake: The user didn't RTFM. But most
times, it's the hardware is too new. It takes about 6 months for Linux
to adapt to new hardware. And the user not checking first for
compatibility before installing.

If a PC vendor did sell a PC with linux preloaded it would definitely be a
plug and play PC.

When you buy a PC or laptop with Linux installed, yes, everything works.
Always. If the manufacturer can install it and it works, so can you.
All the software needed is available -- for free.

The main problem now when installing Linux is Secure Boot. It has to be
turned off and left off for Linux to install and work.

Dell has tried to sell PCs with linux preinstalled and so has HP.
Their efforts were ignored by the public and soon the PCs were pulled
from the market place.

Linux (Ubuntu, I think) still available on Dells, and HPs, too.
Lenovos as well. They just make it hard to find on their web sites.
Probably due to pressure from Microsoft. But it's there.


Problem is, they aren't advertised on their front page.
I haven't seen a linux PC advertised at HP for a long time now.
Even more odd, HP owns OpenVMS, but never advertises it. You have to
google for it and it is on some obscure HP website.

Microsoft has lots of influence on manufactures. And MS wants Windows
on ALL computers. And so there won't be any anti-trust actions against
MS, Linux is an option. It's just buried. Most of the time with no
direct links on the web site itself to where it's offered. You have to
do a site search to find it, or make a phone call.


Not anymore. HP has started a new program that engages universities in a
new OS design program and a new cpu design program. The CEO wants to bring
back the excitement in computing and speed things up. Right now Intel is at
the brick wall in making cpus run faster.

Unaware of this.

Stef

T wrote:
On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history of
patches breaking all kinds of things.

I've yet to experience that yet.

You are charmed. Do a good search and you will get
an ear full






Searching for people having problems with Windows comes up with no
results? Puhlease.

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Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 5:13 PM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 2:44 PM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 11:35 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 10:43 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
So it's forgivable for Linux to have a start button, have the same
elements in the same parts of the screen and even operate like
Windows
95 as long as it doesn't look *exactly* like Windows 95. What a
crock of
****.

What Gates/Jobs stole from Xerox:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rkstations.jpg









So are you saying Xerox Alto/Star is better than Windows (only
using
your "logic")

Jobs was the one who "stole" from Xerox and even then, he paid for
the
right to do so. Everyone knows that the modern GUI was ripped off
from
Mac OS and that Atari's TOS and every other imaginable modern
operating
system was the result of it.

Actually, the GUI was ripped off of Xerox. My point was they steal
from
each other.

It was the logical evolution of the operating system. Apple got there
first and paid for the privilege but whether they liked to admit it or
not, a graphical user interface was going to happen whether they liked
it or not. Apple's TOS stole its look from MacOS and was blatantly
about
it, but Windows was only remotely similar even though they got sued.
For
subsequent versions, Apple had no case and they knew it very well.

snip

And MS has stolen stuff from Linux. Seems to be that sort of world
unless you're a user and then you gotta pay.

Name on thing Microsoft has stolen from Linux.



Previews and the way windows open and close in Win 7 and up off the top
of my head. I hear that Win 10 may have more than one workstation like
Linux.

Previews and "the way that windows open and close."

In other words, nothing. Neither comes from Linux, same as the virtual
desktops you're referring to. Linux might have them, but its developers
didn't create them.


We weren't talking about developers but operating systems. No wonder you
can't use Linux if you can't tell the difference between an operating
system and a developer.

That has to be the most retarded statement I have ever read from a
supposed human being.


When refuted, losers like you always resort to insults and lies.

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A

On 2015-06-14 5:01 AM, A wrote:
T wrote:
On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history of
patches breaking all kinds of things.

I've yet to experience that yet.

You are charmed. Do a good search and you will get
an ear full






Searching for people having problems with Windows comes up with no
results? Puhlease.

When the whole world is using it, there's bound to be problems. The
difference is that the Windows problems people face actually have
solutions which are provided in a timely fashion. Linux problems have
solutions which only breed more problems.


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Proud "wintroll"
Encrypt.

On 2015-06-14 5:03 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 5:13 PM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 2:44 PM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 11:35 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 10:43 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
So it's forgivable for Linux to have a start button, have the
same
elements in the same parts of the screen and even operate like
Windows
95 as long as it doesn't look *exactly* like Windows 95. What a
crock of
****.

What Gates/Jobs stole from Xerox:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rkstations.jpg










So are you saying Xerox Alto/Star is better than Windows (only
using
your "logic")

Jobs was the one who "stole" from Xerox and even then, he paid for
the
right to do so. Everyone knows that the modern GUI was ripped off
from
Mac OS and that Atari's TOS and every other imaginable modern
operating
system was the result of it.

Actually, the GUI was ripped off of Xerox. My point was they steal
from
each other.

It was the logical evolution of the operating system. Apple got there
first and paid for the privilege but whether they liked to admit
it or
not, a graphical user interface was going to happen whether they
liked
it or not. Apple's TOS stole its look from MacOS and was blatantly
about
it, but Windows was only remotely similar even though they got sued.
For
subsequent versions, Apple had no case and they knew it very well.

snip

And MS has stolen stuff from Linux. Seems to be that sort of world
unless you're a user and then you gotta pay.

Name on thing Microsoft has stolen from Linux.



Previews and the way windows open and close in Win 7 and up off the
top
of my head. I hear that Win 10 may have more than one workstation like
Linux.

Previews and "the way that windows open and close."

In other words, nothing. Neither comes from Linux, same as the virtual
desktops you're referring to. Linux might have them, but its developers
didn't create them.


We weren't talking about developers but operating systems. No wonder you
can't use Linux if you can't tell the difference between an operating
system and a developer.

That has to be the most retarded statement I have ever read from a
supposed human being.


When refuted, losers like you always resort to insults and lies.

Refuted, LOL.


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Proud "wintroll"
Encrypt.

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-14 5:01 AM, A wrote:
T wrote:
On 06/13/2015 02:00 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
Oh my goodness!!! M$ has a long history of
patches breaking all kinds of things.

I've yet to experience that yet.

You are charmed. Do a good search and you will get
an ear full






Searching for people having problems with Windows comes up with no
results? Puhlease.

When the whole world is using it,

They aren't. Oops.

there's bound to be problems.

Yeah, Windows, like any other OS, has problems. It's not the fault of
the "whole world". Oops again

The
difference is that the Windows problems people face actually have
solutions which are provided in a timely fashion.

Bull****.

Linux problems have
solutions which only breed more problems.



More brainwashed bull****.

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Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-14 5:03 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 5:13 PM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 2:44 PM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 11:35 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 10:43 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
So it's forgivable for Linux to have a start button, have the
same
elements in the same parts of the screen and even operate like
Windows
95 as long as it doesn't look *exactly* like Windows 95. What a
crock of
****.

What Gates/Jobs stole from Xerox:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rkstations.jpg











So are you saying Xerox Alto/Star is better than Windows (only
using
your "logic")

Jobs was the one who "stole" from Xerox and even then, he paid for
the
right to do so. Everyone knows that the modern GUI was ripped off
from
Mac OS and that Atari's TOS and every other imaginable modern
operating
system was the result of it.

Actually, the GUI was ripped off of Xerox. My point was they steal
from
each other.

It was the logical evolution of the operating system. Apple got
there
first and paid for the privilege but whether they liked to admit
it or
not, a graphical user interface was going to happen whether they
liked
it or not. Apple's TOS stole its look from MacOS and was blatantly
about
it, but Windows was only remotely similar even though they got sued.
For
subsequent versions, Apple had no case and they knew it very well.

snip

And MS has stolen stuff from Linux. Seems to be that sort of world
unless you're a user and then you gotta pay.

Name on thing Microsoft has stolen from Linux.



Previews and the way windows open and close in Win 7 and up off the
top
of my head. I hear that Win 10 may have more than one workstation
like
Linux.

Previews and "the way that windows open and close."

In other words, nothing. Neither comes from Linux, same as the virtual
desktops you're referring to. Linux might have them, but its
developers
didn't create them.


We weren't talking about developers but operating systems. No wonder
you
can't use Linux if you can't tell the difference between an operating
system and a developer.

That has to be the most retarded statement I have ever read from a
supposed human being.


When refuted, losers like you always resort to insults and lies.

Refuted, LOL.



Thanks for proving my point, dumb ass.

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A

On 2015-06-14 10:59 AM, A wrote:

Idiocy

Not worth it.

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Slimer
Proud "wintroll"
Encrypt.

On 2015-06-14 11:00 AM, A wrote:

More idiotic propaganda

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Encrypt.

On 2015-06-14 11:23 AM, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:00:00 +0200, A wrote:

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-14 5:03 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 5:13 PM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 2:44 PM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 11:35 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 10:43 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
So it's forgivable for Linux to have a start button, have the
same
elements in the same parts of the screen and even operate like
Windows
95 as long as it doesn't look *exactly* like Windows 95. What a
crock of
****.

What Gates/Jobs stole from Xerox:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rkstations.jpg











So are you saying Xerox Alto/Star is better than Windows (only
using
your "logic")

Jobs was the one who "stole" from Xerox and even then, he paid for
the
right to do so. Everyone knows that the modern GUI was ripped off
from
Mac OS and that Atari's TOS and every other imaginable modern
operating
system was the result of it.

Actually, the GUI was ripped off of Xerox. My point was they steal
from
each other.

It was the logical evolution of the operating system. Apple got
there
first and paid for the privilege but whether they liked to admit
it or
not, a graphical user interface was going to happen whether they
liked
it or not. Apple's TOS stole its look from MacOS and was blatantly
about
it, but Windows was only remotely similar even though they got sued.
For
subsequent versions, Apple had no case and they knew it very well.

snip

And MS has stolen stuff from Linux. Seems to be that sort of world
unless you're a user and then you gotta pay.

Name on thing Microsoft has stolen from Linux.



Previews and the way windows open and close in Win 7 and up off the
top
of my head. I hear that Win 10 may have more than one workstation
like
Linux.

Previews and "the way that windows open and close."

In other words, nothing. Neither comes from Linux, same as the virtual
desktops you're referring to. Linux might have them, but its
developers
didn't create them.


We weren't talking about developers but operating systems. No wonder
you
can't use Linux if you can't tell the difference between an operating
system and a developer.

That has to be the most retarded statement I have ever read from a
supposed human being.


When refuted, losers like you always resort to insults and lies.

Refuted, LOL.



Thanks for proving my point, dumb ass.


What are the possibilities of establishing an armistice?

I'm just to going to killfile him eventually as I tend to do to every
other member of the Linux Loser Liar's Club. Actually, let me do that
now. He's not worth bothering with.

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Proud "wintroll"
Encrypt.

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-14 10:59 AM, A wrote:

Idiocy

Not worth it.


Courageous people admit it when they're wrong. Weak cowards like you
just hurl lies and insults.

--
A

Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:00:00 +0200, A wrote:

Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-14 5:03 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 5:13 PM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 2:44 PM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 11:35 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
On 2015-06-13 10:43 AM, A wrote:
Slimer wrote:
So it's forgivable for Linux to have a start button, have the
same
elements in the same parts of the screen and even operate like
Windows
95 as long as it doesn't look *exactly* like Windows 95. What a
crock of
****.

What Gates/Jobs stole from Xerox:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rkstations.jpg











So are you saying Xerox Alto/Star is better than Windows (only
using
your "logic")

Jobs was the one who "stole" from Xerox and even then, he paid for
the
right to do so. Everyone knows that the modern GUI was ripped off
from
Mac OS and that Atari's TOS and every other imaginable modern
operating
system was the result of it.

Actually, the GUI was ripped off of Xerox. My point was they steal
from
each other.

It was the logical evolution of the operating system. Apple got
there
first and paid for the privilege but whether they liked to admit
it or
not, a graphical user interface was going to happen whether they
liked
it or not. Apple's TOS stole its look from MacOS and was blatantly
about
it, but Windows was only remotely similar even though they got sued.
For
subsequent versions, Apple had no case and they knew it very well.

snip

And MS has stolen stuff from Linux. Seems to be that sort of world
unless you're a user and then you gotta pay.

Name on thing Microsoft has stolen from Linux.



Previews and the way windows open and close in Win 7 and up off the
top
of my head. I hear that Win 10 may have more than one workstation
like
Linux.

Previews and "the way that windows open and close."

In other words, nothing. Neither comes from Linux, same as the virtual
desktops you're referring to. Linux might have them, but its
developers
didn't create them.


We weren't talking about developers but operating systems. No wonder
you
can't use Linux if you can't tell the difference between an operating
system and a developer.

That has to be the most retarded statement I have ever read from a
supposed human being.


When refuted, losers like you always resort to insults and lies.

Refuted, LOL.



Thanks for proving my point, dumb ass.


What are the possibilities of establishing an armistice?


As soon as the idiot stops lying and spewing his brainwashed drivel.

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A